Set right off edge of bench yesterday

[goodbyebobby]

We scalped and got 13th row for $50.

Fran lost this team, thanks Captain Obvious, but they were just pathetic until the 13:50 TO before PJ went off.

Speraw absolutely strafed the team before Fran played good cop. Seems like they have maybe tired of Fran's diatribes?

My personal observations from watching that close-

-I don't know if Jok has too many friends on the team. AW was trying to talk to him after some defensive screw up and PJ ignoed him.
-Wouldn't be surprised if Uhl left as he was PO'd when Fran took him out, BEFORE his three. Fran totally ignored what DU said as he walked off the court but he did put him back.
-JU will never be more than a supporting role (Pippen) He didn't try and get the ball on first final inbound pass, and he needs to go get it to take the shot.
-Woodnuts busts his hump, but that's all. His missed layup was in front of us and that looked like jr. high crap.
-Sapp could not have been worse, and was totally lost, the entire day. He looked dumbfounded, honestly I felt bad for the kid.
-Fran did nothing but b&m to his staff most of the game.

These seniors are 11-29 in games decided by 6 points or less over their four years. Fran needs to be asked about that stat.


First time we have not bought the package in ten years. Saved a lot of dough.

 

[ICWestfan]

I like Jok, and I think he'll do wonders for the youngsters next year. I wonder if the problem is knows he should be leading the team but defers to the SRs? Or maybe he calls the Srs out, and they don't like it? I have no idea what goes on in practice or the locker room.

That said, I can't wait for next year. In regards to Speraw, did he rip everyone except JU?

 

[Curt Furence]

You're trying too hard. If you over analyze every in game interaction between teammates or coaches, everyone would be transferring, every player would hate all of their teammates at some point in the season.

 

[SotaHawk87]

I used to think there was nothing to that 11-29 stat. At this point it can't be ignored anymore.. Thats just brutal and has a correlation to the team and coach..

 

[CAhawki]

I like Jok, and I think he'll do wonders for the youngsters next year. I wonder if the problem is knows he should be leading the team but defers to the SRs? Or maybe he calls the Srs out, and they don't like it? I have no idea what goes on in practice or the locker room.

That said, I can't wait for next year. In regards to Speraw, did he rip everyone except JU?

I have often wondered if theres a power struggle.I wouldn't be surprised if some words have been exchanged.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

I scalped section 15 for 20 bucks 10 rows up. Thought it was a great deal until I endured that performance close up

 

[goodbyebobby]

I scalped section 15 for 20 bucks 10 rows up. Thought it was a great deal until I endured that performance close up

Section 8 here and I would have been happy to been kicked for a section 8, like Klinger.

 

[goodbyebobby]

You're trying too hard. If you over analyze every in game interaction between teammates or coaches, everyone would be transferring, every player would hate all of their teammates at some point in the season.

No, I'm not trying too hard. It's easy to see if they get along or not watching a game, especially at this point in the season.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

Sapp knows Clemmons and Gesell are garbage players, I wouldn't listen to anything they said either. It actually makes me think more of Jok that he wasn't saying "Hey thanks for those three points you guys scored on 15 shots last night, you guys really stepped up, especially at the end. Why don't you go airball a three and miss some more clutch free throws?" I wouldn't have the self restraint to hold back on those bums.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

1 more game to go, oh well. This season has worn me out, not sad to see it go at all.

 

[SotaHawk87]

1 more game to go, oh well. This season has worn me out, not sad to see it go at all.

Which sucks because this has been my mentality for 2 of the past 3 years as well. The implosions really take it out of you.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Which sucks because this has been my mentality for 2 of the past 3 years as well. The implosions really take it out of you.

Yes, it is just exhausting. the last 2 home games, the way they lost, the late drive home and being tired the next day at work, literally wore me out haha. oh well. i'll drink up, be excited to watch them in the tourney, when they lose i'll move onto the next game. All good at this point.

 

[Curt Furence]

No, I'm not trying too hard. It's easy to see if they get along or not watching a game, especially at this point in the season.

Have you ever played a sport and said something to a teammate or reacted to a teammate or coach differently than how you really feel? I can't tell you how many times I have seen teammates get into it for something in game. Emotions run high during a game and it doesn't mean they don't like each other.

Clemmons and Jok are always posting pictures and things of them together and how close they are. Every guy doesn't have to be best friends with each other. Uthoff was about as animated as he has been all year watching Jok go off.

 

[SotaHawk87]

Yes, it is just exhausting. the last 2 home games, the way they lost, the late drive home and being tired the next day at work, literally wore me out haha. oh well. i'll drink up, be excited to watch them in the tourney, when they lose i'll move onto the next game. All good at this point.

So you go from "taking it out of you" to "all good" in a four minute span.. impressive

 

[crHawkeye92]

Sapp knows Clemmons and Gesell are garbage players, I wouldn't listen to anything they said either. It actually makes me think more of Jok that he wasn't saying "Hey thanks for those three points you guys scored on 15 shots last night, you guys really stepped up, especially at the end. Why don't you go airball a three and miss some more clutch free throws?" I wouldn't have the self restraint to hold back on those bums.

Same, I don't know how Jok and Uthoff could stand being on the court with Gesell and Clemmons without going crazy yesterday. Jok is out there draining fts and 3 pointers and doing everything he can to keep Iowa in the game, and Gesell is bricking 10 ft jumpers, Woody is missing layups, etc. Man it was brutal to watch...

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

So you go from "taking it out of you" to "all good" in a four minute span.. impressive

Yeah, there is nothign left emotionally at this point. We know what is going to happen, so drink up and enjoy the game if possible. I have a party every year for 1st/2nd rd not going to let them ruin it. Plenty of games to watch and beer to consume.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

Yeah, there is nothign left emotionally at this point. We know what is going to happen, so drink up and enjoy the game if possible. I have a party every year for 1st/2nd rd not going to let them ruin it. Plenty of games to watch and beer to consume.

Here's what you do, bet heavily against Iowa and then celebrate your winnings at your party. Turn a negative into a financial windfall for yourself. That was my biggest frustration of yesterday, Bovada didn't have an Illinois ML since they were +10.5 underdogs so I only got them at -110, not the +650 or something I could have with a ML.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Here's what you do, bet heavily against Iowa and then celebrate your winnings at your party. Turn a negative into a financial windfall for yourself. That was my biggest frustration of yesterday, Bovada didn't have an Illinois ML since they were +10.5 underdogs so I only got them at -110, not the +650 or something I could have with a ML.

LOL, oustanding. I never touch IA but yes we would be rich just taking opponents and the points or ML on sevreal of these, my gut feeling was they were goign to lose, sure enough they came thru yet again.

 

[hawkeye54545]

The mental weakness of some of the posters is hilarious. The games are too hard to watch? Man up Sallys

 

[HIWB]

Sapp knows Clemmons and Gesell are garbage players, I wouldn't listen to anything they said either. It actually makes me think more of Jok that he wasn't saying "Hey thanks for those three points you guys scored on 15 shots last night, you guys really stepped up, especially at the end. Why don't you go airball a three and miss some more clutch free throws?" I wouldn't have the self restraint to hold back on those bums.

Isn't Sapp, Clemmons?
Is this a Finkle is Einhorn scenario?

 

[Rifler]

Yes, Sapp is Clemmons....

 

[hawkeyemike23]

Isn't Sapp, Clemmons?
Is this a Finkle is Einhorn scenario?

Jok, autocorrect must have got me.

 

[kzoohawk80]

You're trying too hard. If you over analyze every in game interaction between teammates or coaches, everyone would be transferring, every player would hate all of their teammates at some point in the season.

I wonder if the Uhl thing has some traction. It's not the only game it's been this way from Uhl. Maybe it explains his lack of effort. He's not buying into what Fran is coaching. It seems like there could be a disconnect between him and Fran right now. Maybe it's nothing or maybe it is something. I've definitely been curious as to what has happened to Uhl's effort level as the season has gone on.

 

[hawksauce]

Jok, autocorrect must have got me.

So Jok autocorrected to Sapp? Dang phones. What a coinicidence it just so happened to change it to a nickname of one of our players. You post on here like you know everything about these kids' lives but yet you didn't even know to whom the nickname Sapp belongs to.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

So Jok autocorrected to Sapp? Dang phones. What a coinicidence it just so happened to change it to a nickname of one of our players. You post on here like you know everything about these kids' lives but yet you didn't even know who's nickname Sapp was.

You probably have T9 texting on your flip phone still ,so it doesn't surprise me that you don't understand autocorrect, hater!

 

[Mohawkeye]

Fran has ridden Uhl pretty hard all year, just like he did Jok last year. It is because he knows how good he can be. Some kids you can do that to, some you cant.

I think there is undoubtably a rift growing between the seniors and the rest of the team. This team has fallen apart and it is all on the seniors. Poor leadership. Jok seems to thrive on pressure, the seniors don't. I think Baer also does well under pressure and apparently Fran does too, because he drew the last play for him.

It is what it is. I love what these seniors did for the program, but this is as far as they can take us. Very excited about next year with Jok, Baer, Uhl and the freshmen.

 

[HawkLogic]

Fran has ridden Uhl pretty hard all year, just like he did Jok last year. It is because he knows how good he can be. Some kids you can do that to, some you cant.

I think there is undoubtably a rift growing between the seniors and the rest of the team. This team has fallen apart and it is all on the seniors. Poor leadership. Jok seems to thrive on pressure, the seniors don't. I think Baer also does well under pressure and apparently Fran does too, because he drew the last play for him.

It is what it is. I love what these seniors did for the program, but this is as far as they can take us. Very excited about next year with Jok, Baer, Uhl and the freshmen.

Uthoff is a reluctant leader. He doesn't seek the limelight. He has tons more ability than Whitey last year, but not the desire to be the man. There is nothing wrong with that, except this team needs someone with ability to lead and make baskets in the clutch.


Gesell wants to be the leader, but doesn't have ability to make plays because he is short and is missing elite quickness and can't shoot very well. Woody doesn't have the ball in his hands and he also can't make shots. The rift is more about lack of ability on offense. These guys all got along really well when we were 10-1 and Gesell and Clemmons were on a streak shooting well above their career averages.

I look at Gesell, Clemmons, and Woody and each on their own would be a solid role player on a good team. As a whole, they are three below average B1G players. It is Easy to guard two guys if the other 3 guys are not threat to beat you. That is the problem.

 

[kwik44]

I have often wondered if theres a power struggle.I wouldn't be surprised if some words have been exchanged.

Power struggle - banging another's girlfriend - mental toughness..
What are we talking about here? The man in charge is responsible. No if, ands, or buts about it. He needs a Kirk-like off season circa '15

 

[MTHawkeyes43]

Fran has ridden Uhl pretty hard all year, just like he did Jok last year. It is because he knows how good he can be. Some kids you can do that to, some you cant.

I think there is undoubtably a rift growing between the seniors and the rest of the team. This team has fallen apart and it is all on the seniors. Poor leadership. Jok seems to thrive on pressure, the seniors don't. I think Baer also does well under pressure and apparently Fran does too, because he drew the last play for him.

It is what it is. I love what these seniors did for the program, but this is as far as they can take us. Very excited about next year with Jok, Baer, Uhl and the freshmen.

You had me in full agreement until you laid the "Fran loves pressure" egg on us. Fran's backside puckers so much when he feels the pressure he couldn't poop a BB.

 

[QCHawkFan]

You had me in full agreement until you laid the "Fran loves pressure" egg on us. Fran's backside puckers so much when he feels the pressure he couldn't poop a BB.

Reading is tough. He meant that Fran believes Baer thrives under pressure too. Not that Fran thrives under pressure.

You're being blinded in your attempt to run off the best coach Iowa has had in the last 30 + years to fully comprehend things.

And if you're going to quote him, at least quote him correctly. At no point did that poster say "Fran loves pressure".

 

[MTHawkeyes43]

Reading is tough. He meant that Fran believes Baer thrives under pressure too. Not that Fran thrives under pressure.

You're being blinded in your attempt to run off the best coach Iowa has had in the last 30 + years to fully comprehend things.

And if you're going to quote him, at least quote him correctly. At no point did that poster say "Fran loves pressure".

I would agree, I misread the "Fran does too,". Misreading the post does not change the reality that Fran folds under pressure!!!

 

[HawkLogic]

I like Fran.. I still think he is right coach, but he does need to learn some new tricks. Loyalty to seniors...it has payed off with Cole, Gatens, Whitey, Marble, Uthoff carrying teams at times.
The problem is not all seniors have that ability and some need to ride pine.

Fans were correct on a lot of things this season, Fran was wrong. You are what your record/current streak says you are. This team is not good.

 

[Mohawkeye]

I would agree, I misread the "Fran does too,". Misreading the post does not change the reality that Fran folds under pressure!!!

Yeah, I was talking about Fran trusting Baer. I think people, understandably, give coaches too much credit or blame for how a team does under pressure. Fans said the exact same thing about Lute Olsen. He ended up winning a national title and being a HOF coach. Players hit game winning shots, not coaches. Especially in basketball, which is less team oriented than football.

Agree with Logic on Uthoff, he just doesn't have it in him to be THE man. I think Jok thrives on being THE man, which gives me hope for next year.

 

[HawkLogic]

Yeah, I was talking about Fran trusting Baer. I think people, understandably, give coaches too much credit or blame for how a team does under pressure. Fans said the exact same thing about Lute Olsen. He ended up winning a national title and being a HOF coach. Players hit game winning shots, not coaches. Especially in basketball, which is less team oriented than football.

Agree with Logic on Uthoff, he just doesn't have it in him to be THE man. I think Jok thrives on being THE man, which gives me hope for next year.

Lute did win close games at Iowa when he had Ronnie Lester. Fran hitched Iowa on MikeG/Clemmons at PG for 4 years. That was a huge mistake.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Lute did win close games at Iowa when he had Ronnie Lester. Fran hitched Iowa on MikeG/Clemmons at PG for 4 years. That was a huge mistake.

Well, to be fair, Ronnie Lester isn't on our roster and doesn't come along very often. Marble was also at point for two years, or co-point, so Gesell has only been the point on his own for two years.

 

[hawkeyemark]

Lute did win close games at Iowa when he had Ronnie Lester. Fran hitched Iowa on MikeG/Clemmons at PG for 4 years. That was a huge mistake.

I went to college during the Lute and Ronnie Lester era and rate Lute as far and away the best coach at Iowa during my lifetime. Grew up during the Ralph Miller era and he also did a great job. Fran's personality I think more than anything gets in his way and his intensity and emotion doesn't serve him well in the heat of battle. I tend to agree with your comment about the guards as well. He made the right move going after the Sioux City pair to build the foundation along with Clemmons but missed the boat not supplementing them for four years. We go into next season with holes/inexperience at both point guard and center- the two key positions on the court IMO.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I went to college during the Lute and Ronnie Lester era and rate Lute as far and away the best coach at Iowa during my lifetime. Grew up during the Ralph Miller era and he also did a great job. Fran's personality I think more than anything gets in his way and his intensity and emotion doesn't serve him well in the heat of battle. I tend to agree with your comment about the guards as well. He made the right move going after the Sioux City pair to build the foundation along with Clemmons but missed the boat not supplementing them for four years. We go into next season with holes/inexperience at both point guard and center- the two key positions on the court IMO.

We must be about the same age and agree about Lute. He was outstanding - but you are forgetting that his personality at Iowa was pretty similar to Fran's. He became very testy with the media and hated by officials, including one he famously chased off the floor. I'm not saying they didn't deserve it - just saying Lute and Fran were/are both passionate men and their emotions were clearly on display most of the time.

I also remember that there was tremendous pressure on Lute and the team to live up to expectations. I think the team played tight as a result. There were several seasons that ended like this one, with the team starting out well and fading at the end. Remember the Wichita St lost in the tourney?

I'm not saying Fran is the next Lute, but I don't think they are remarkable different. Of course, Lute had the magical run to the FF - maybe Fran will get one too.

I also don't think Fran is oblivious to the problems at guard the last few years, he just hasn't been able to fix it. That's still on him, of course. He's had some recruiting misses that could have helped.

 

[hawkeyemark]

We must be about the same age and agree about Lute. He was outstanding - but you are forgetting that his personality at Iowa was pretty similar to Fran's. He became very testy with the media and hated by officials, including one he famously chased off the floor. I'm not saying they didn't deserve it - just saying Lute and Fran were/are both passionate men and their emotions were clearly on display most of the time.

I also remember that there was tremendous pressure on Lute and the team to live up to expectations. I think the team played tight as a result. There were several seasons that ended like this one, with the team starting out well and fading at the end. Remember the Wichita St lost in the tourney?

I'm not saying Fran is the next Lute, but I don't think they are remarkable different. Of course, Lute had the magical run to the FF - maybe Fran will get one too.

I also don't think Fran is oblivious to the problems at guard the last few years, he just hasn't been able to fix it. That's still on him, of course. He's had some recruiting misses that could have helped.

I thought Lute handled game pressure better than Fran and consider him the better in game coach. Very much agree with your comments about the way he handled the media and he became very unhappy at Iowa which showed in his testiness with the media. The end of his tenure disappointed me but seeking greener pastures at Arizona seemed the best move for all involved.

From what I can see Fran doesn't seem happy right now either whether that has him thinking about moving back East and perhaps back to the mid-major level who knows? I don't see a Final Four run in him but he has a nice opportunity here with the coming renovations to Carver and an athletics friendly administration for the time in awhile.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I thought Lute handled game pressure better than Fran and consider him the better in game coach. Very much agree with your comments about the way he handled the media and he became very unhappy at Iowa which showed in his testiness with the media. The end of his tenure disappointed me but seeking greener pastures at Arizona seemed the best move for all involved.

From what I can see Fran doesn't seem happy right now either whether that has him thinking about moving back East and perhaps back to the mid-major level who knows? I don't see a Final Four run in him but he has a nice opportunity here with the coming renovations to Carver and an athletics friendly administration for the time in awhile.

Yes, I think I agree. But his B1G record at Iowa in his 1st 6 years were:
7-11
9-9
12-6
5-13
13-5
10-8

For a total of 56 wins. Fran has 54. (BTW, Davis had 59 w's in his first 6 years, Alford 41)

I can't find the individual games to see how Lute did in close games.

I think Lute was better, but maybe not by a lot.

 

[TriCityHawk]

I would take a team of Joks or even Baers for the way they want to win and the hustle they show. Fran has always been of Jok for his defense but he seems to never give up.