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Seth Gross

Pennstate1985

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I was on the Guillotine earlier reading one of their Xanax threads, and found the following post by Seth Gross' father earlier this evening. He was responding to attacks on his son in that thread. It is a beautifully written post, and in the final analysis, Seth and his family were strong enough to find good from the bad. I thought it was very uplifting, and hope you enjoy it as well. I'll link the thread so that you can see what Mr Gross was responding to.

http://forum.theguillotine.com/topic/9303420/3/

... and his post.

I am not sure why it seems like you want more punishment for my son and are making false accusations about him, yet for others you are worried about them being destroyed from punishment. I am not calling out for punishment for the young men being discussed in this thread but I do not understand your position and the attack on my son.

My son was never charged with driving a vehicle another person was. There were several wrestlers involved in doing stupid things in the neighborhood in this situation and they charged only the ones that they caught. They charged those caught with all of the crimes, as there was no way to differentiate who did what. As far as what my son or others did, I will not get into any of that. I will say there was no evidence that anyone "broke" into anything. I believe stuff was taken from unlocked vehicles and an open garage, not a home. None of the victims asked for any restitution to fix anything that was broken (as I don't believe things were damaged). Most of the victims seemed very gracious in their statements to the court, obviously frustrated/disappointed but none wanting blood. I am not minimizing what was done, but the facts and the terms you used were inaccurate and misleading.

Did he get a slap on the wrist? I guess that is a question for each person to answer. Seth spent time in jail. He had his name plastered all over national media. People wishing him failure. People ripping on his faith. He was kicked off the wrestling team that had been his social life for the previous 6 months. All communication was cut off from the coaching staff. He lost his scholarship. There are still on-going things he is dealing with that he would not have to if this did not happen.

The financial impact has already been in the tens of thousands of dollars to him and his family.

We personally have had people go into our opened garage and took stuff from our vehicles. The people were never caught. Did I wish they were caught? Yes. I do. If they would have been caught and given the same legal punishment as my son I would not have thought is was a slap on the wrist.

The whole situation has been humbling for my son and our family. No one knows the dark time he went through in his heart and mind for the year following these events. I do believe he has grown from this experience and is a better young man than he was 16 months ago. He has shared his story several times to peers and younger kids to try to encourage others not to make the same mistake he made.

We have been blessed by so many people during this past 16 months. So many have been supportive and encouraging to Seth, wanting to see him learn and grow from his mistakes and make the most of a second chance. Thank you for believing in him for who he is and not defining him by one decision. In addition, so many people have prayed for us as parents, reached out to us with words of encouragement and truly wrapped us up in God's love. Thank you, we appreciate you more than you will ever know.
 
Nice post. We had a thread on him a month or so back. Most of us including myself wished him the best. There are others that would disagree. To each their own.
I used to be a hard ass about transgressions like this, but over time I have come to realize that kids that are basically good make stupid decisions. We as a society should try for a punishment that is meaningful and lesson learning, but not so punitive that no good can come of it. That is how I look at the Xanax situation. The dealers have to be punished to learn the meaningful lesson, but not so hard that they cannot recover and be a good citizen. The post by Mr Gross indicates to me that this approach can and does work, especially in the close knit wrestling circles.
 
I wish him the best but come on man. Isn't it time we move on? Those that want to follow him can easily do so without posting updates on the kid every other month. His transgressions screwed over the Iowa program in multiple ways. Our coaches, teams, and fans have moved on. I wish him no ill will but really struggle with understanding why anyone would want updates on him.
 
I wish him the best but come on man. Isn't it time we move on? Those that want to follow him can easily do so without posting updates on the kid every other month. His transgressions screwed over the Iowa program in multiple ways. Our coaches, teams, and fans have moved on. I wish him no ill will but really struggle with understanding why anyone would want updates on him.
Is that all you got out of this thread? An update on Seth the Iowa screwer? It is a first hand glimpse into the struggle a young man went through and is going through to redeem himself for his activities. He can't un-ring the bell. It isn't an update as much as it is a story of redemption. It has nothing to do with Iowa wrestling.
 
Is that all you got out of this thread? An update on Seth the Iowa screwer? It is a first hand glimpse into the struggle a young man went through and is going through to redeem himself for his activities. He can't un-ring the bell. It isn't an update as much as it is a story of redemption. It has nothing to do with Iowa wrestling.


I didn't know Seth personally when he was on the Iowa roster nor do I know him now. So, I can't really say its a story of redemption at this point. I know there were a lot of people that thought Andrew Longs stint at Grandview was a great story about redemption. That didn't turn out so well. I am not equating Seth Gross to Andrew Long. Just saying I don't know what type of person he was or is or how much he has actually changed/learned from this experience. I am by nature a little more cynical, so I guess I need a little more time to say everything is great with him and he has redeemed himself. Not that he or his family care what I think, nor should they.
 
I think Seth is likely a good kid that made a mistake but I could go without a essay from dad pushing that Seth is a victim. I'm glad he found a landing spot and don't wish him any ill but I can go without hearing how hard he had/has it. He committed a crime. That's what happens when you commit a crime and get caught.
 
He did something stupid and paid a substantial price for it. If we all(including most DI wrestlers) were caught doing the dumbest thing we did while in College, most of us/them would be off the team as well. When you are 18-22ish, you do stupid things, often without much thinking. For most, it is the first time in your life where you have nearly unvetted freedom. That doesn't mean they deserve a free pass, but I can see giving a second chance and many actually becoming a better person because of it. I firmly believe I am a better person because of the worst thing I have ever done. That experience and the repercussions taught me more than anything else could.

Also, having a parent that is as supportive as Gross's and obviously intelligent enough to write up such a response has to be huge. I know what happened hurt Iowa as much as Gross and I can understand each and every fan disliking Gross simply because of that. I am simply happy that someone so young didn't inevitably ruin the rest of his life making a ridiculously dumb decision.
 
still sounds like they are trying to blame everyone else and poor seth was just going along with the crowd, I see no ownership.looks like he is trying to throw more wrestlers under the bus.
 
Two things from his letter that struck me.

1. I will say there was no evidence that anyone "broke" into anything. I believe stuff was taken from unlocked vehicles and an open garage, not a home. I have a little issue with defending his son and the others by saying they didn't "break" into anything because the doors were unlocked. So I guess it would be OK for me to go into my local bank during normal hours and take all their money, it's fine, the doors were open.

2. Of the three guys who did get arrested after getting pulled over, only one ran from the police. And that was Mr. Gross, personally, to me, that shows a little more guilt.
 
There were several wrestlers involved in doing stupid things in the neighborhood in this situation and they charged only the ones that they caught. They charged those caught with all of the crimes, as there was no way to differentiate who did what.
(emphasis added)

Agree fully with Dad Gross. Hard to ignore the elephant in the room, though.
 
I do believe he has grown from this experience and is a better young man than he was 16 months ago. He has shared his story several times to peers and younger kids to try to encourage others not to make the same mistake he made.
Now this is something I can hold onto. If he truly is sharing "his story" with others then I applaud him.

Yes, we all make mistakes ... Especially when we are younger. That being said, I never turned to crime/stealing. Hopefully Seth really has learned from the poor decisions he made. Life continues forward and one can only hope you learn from your mistakes and make today a better day.
 
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I think Seth is likely a good kid that made a mistake but I could go without a essay from dad pushing that Seth is a victim. I'm glad he found a landing spot and don't wish him any ill but I can go without hearing how hard he had/has it. He committed a crime. That's what happens when you commit a crime and get caught.

His response NEVER said Seth was a victim. He said he deserved everything he got. His dad was responding to people still wishing ill will on Seth and falsely accusing, while being hypocritical, not wanting criminal charges filed against the Minnesota wrestlers.
 
His response NEVER said Seth was a victim. He said he deserved everything he got. His dad was responding to people still wishing ill will on Seth and falsely accusing, while being hypocritical, not wanting criminal charges filed against the Minnesota wrestlers.
This in a nutshell.
 
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I feel it was a very nice little piece that wrote! I was raised very well by my folks but did some stupid things when I started out on my own away from my folks! I learned from the humility of the experience and to be more aware of and avoid potential bad situations after that. Todays social media and an unforgiving society can quickly have some rushing judgement on a persons character. Being labeled as a person of poor character is an aweful feeling when your young and insecure!
 
Is that all you got out of this thread? An update on Seth the Iowa screwer? It is a first hand glimpse into the struggle a young man went through and is going through to redeem himself for his activities. He can't un-ring the bell. It isn't an update as much as it is a story of redemption. It has nothing to do with Iowa wrestling.
What I got out of this thread was a Penn State fan posting about a Minnesota kid who wrestles in South Dakota. You are on here all the time so I am sure you realize there was a long thread about him not long ago. I am glad he is such an inspiration to you. I hope he does well in wrestling and life. I hope the Iowa wrestlers do better.
 
What I got out of this thread was a Penn State fan posting about a Minnesota kid who wrestles in South Dakota. You are on here all the time so I am sure you realize there was a long thread about him not long ago. I am glad he is such an inspiration to you. I hope he does well in wrestling and life. I hope the Iowa wrestlers do better.
Nice!
 
Two things from his letter that struck me.

1. I will say there was no evidence that anyone "broke" into anything. I believe stuff was taken from unlocked vehicles and an open garage, not a home. I have a little issue with defending his son and the others by saying they didn't "break" into anything because the doors were unlocked. So I guess it would be OK for me to go into my local bank during normal hours and take all their money, it's fine, the doors were open.

2. Of the three guys who did get arrested after getting pulled over, only one ran from the police. And that was Mr. Gross, personally, to me, that shows a little more guilt.
I read it the same way, if dad would just took total ownership of his son situation in the letter there would be no problem here. As for the young man being Knighted by PSU1985, people thing I turned out all right (I made my mistakes and got away with it) but when they really get to know me they find out I'm a nutcase!
 
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I read it the same way, if dad would just took total ownership of his son situation in the letter there would be no problem here. As for the young man being Knighted by PSU1985, people thing I turned out all right (I made my mistakes and got away with it) but when they really get to know me they find out I'm a nutcase!
Won't have to worry about that, Mike.
 
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I read it the same way, if dad would just took total ownership of his son situation in the letter there would be no problem here. As for the young man being Knighted by PSU1985, people thing I turned out all right (I made my mistakes and got away with it) but when they really get to know me they find out I'm a nutcase!
The problem with trolling all the time Mike is that the impact of your good trolling is lessened, rare as it is. Less is more. ;)
 
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I used to be a hard ass about transgressions like this, but over time I have come to realize that kids that are basically good make stupid decisions. We as a society should try for a punishment that is meaningful and lesson learning, but not so punitive that no good can come of it. That is how I look at the Xanax situation. The dealers have to be punished to learn the meaningful lesson, but not so hard that they cannot recover and be a good citizen. The post by Mr Gross indicates to me that this approach can and does work, especially in the close knit wrestling circles.
Kinda like running a stop sign and telling the cop that you saw the sign but didn't want to stop. Cop replies by saying, I'll just give you a warning. That's a meaningful lesson.:D
 
I just don't get the snide remarks about the Gross kid and Pennstate1985. You guys were probably pretty high on Gross when he was there. I guess you find out who your friends are the going gets tough. Everyone is in your corner when you're on top.
 
Kinda like running a stop sign and telling the cop that you saw the sign but didn't want to stop. Cop replies by saying, I'll just give you a warning. That's a meaningful lesson.:D
Once got a ticket for speeding because my wife needed me to find an exit on the interstate so she could go to the bathroom. Wife blamed me for costing us $135. Lesson learned is that I should have ignored her pleas.
 
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When I was a kid, I was late for work one time so my employer demoted me *and* threw me in jail for a month. I was never late again. THAT'S a meaningful lesson.

The Marine Corps does not take kindly to those that are not punctual. Granted, I was late by an entire month...
 
I just don't get the snide remarks about the Gross kid and Pennstate1985. You guys were probably pretty high on Gross when he was there. I guess you find out who your friends are the going gets tough. Everyone is in your corner when you're on top.
It's okay ev. I recognize that my PSU moniker on a rival board can blind some to the message I'm conveying. It is what it is. I'm thankful that most here accept me as a wrestling fan. As for Gross, I get that some consider what he did as very serious and worthy of more punishment. I'm not here to change any minds on that. Only to convey information that some may not have seen.
 
I just don't get the snide remarks about the Gross kid and Pennstate1985. You guys were probably pretty high on Gross when he was there. I guess you find out who your friends are the going gets tough. Everyone is in your corner when you're on top.
Not a surprise since you are the one who couldn't understand why we didn't have a Molinaro appreciation thread after Metcalf lost.
 
I didn't understand why you, specifically, Championhawk, badmouthed Frank's family. I thought it was uncalled for.

You are a BWI guy so I understand your inability to understand things. Go read the last thread I bumped where you called multiple Iowa fans dicks and another one a dipshit. You have also called some douchebags and told one of our esteemed members that you hope he doesn't live long enough to seen his son become an all american. You come over here stirring things up. Maybe you are Penn States version of San Souci but you have a long ways to go.
 
And yeah, I know you didn't bad-mouth his family, I just figured if you were going to misrepresent the facts that I would just out-Trump you, lol
 
His response NEVER said Seth was a victim. He said he deserved everything he got. His dad was responding to people still wishing ill will on Seth and falsely accusing, while being hypocritical, not wanting criminal charges filed against the Minnesota wrestlers.

And your opinion is it wasn't even implied?
 
Does anyone know if Seth had charges filed against him in HS for the exact same thing? And those charges dropped as well? Good question to ask.? Was he the ring leader that night in Cedar Rapids? Coaxing others to follow- right or wrong? Seth was the only one that ran and and resisted arrest, according to the papers.

Again, the use of the church is a slippery slope. Sometimes, parents, as much as they believe in their mind and soul in their child- they sometimes have no idea what their child may have done and currently are doing.

Seth will be a successful wrestler- but, I truly hope he finds an honest path in his life.
 
And your opinion is it wasn't even implied?

A victim of the criminal activities he was involved in? Absolutely not. He sure read to me like he believed his son deserved to lose his scholarship and spend time in jail Now does he think he is still a social media victim considerably after he paid his dues? yes and I agree with him. It is very easy for people to hide behind computers and say 18 year olds should be put to death for stupid petty crimes. As I said before, every Iowa fan has the absolute right to dislike him for what his actions cost the program, the only argument(and I have seen very few on here doing that) was against wishing him Ill will still. And it actually shows that this board has class as it was on a board that has no vested interest in what happened.
 
And yeah, I know you didn't bad-mouth his family, I just figured if you were going to misrepresent the facts that I would just out-Trump you, lol

EV, who is your team? I thought you were tOSU but Chief thinks Cornell. Just don't say Minnesota...
 
A victim of the criminal activities he was involved in? Absolutely not. He sure read to me like he believed his son deserved to lose his scholarship and spend time in jail Now does he think he is still a social media victim considerably after he paid his dues? yes and I agree with him. It is very easy for people to hide behind computers and say 18 year olds should be put to death for stupid petty crimes. As I said before, every Iowa fan has the absolute right to dislike him for what his actions cost the program, the only argument(and I have seen very few on here doing that) was against wishing him Ill will still. And it actually shows that this board has class as it was on a board that has no vested interest in what happened.

Dag nabit, I have to say I agree with you. I must be drunk...
 
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Once got a ticket for speeding because my wife needed me to find an exit on the interstate so she could go to the bathroom. Wife blamed me for costing us $135. Lesson learned is that I should have ignored her pleas.
Should have pulled off to the side of the road and handed her a, Ace Hardware bucket. Maybe open up the back door to divert attention.
 
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