Shirts and Skins?
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Mac McCausland @MacMcCausland 6h6 hours ago
Skins and shirts. Moss Williams and Fleming. Terrific
Mac McCausland @MacMcCausland 6h6 hours ago
Skins and shirts. Moss Williams and Fleming. Terrific
So... This must have been a closed Shirts and Skins session for there to be no other reports than Mac's?
I am surprised there are not numerous reports, considering the late kickoff...
Well, if Moss really is coming on, this clip is a reminder of his talent since he wasn't in the PTL. IF he has consistency, he'll be playing. His quickness and explosiveness are needed.
Williams really making an impact is something I didn't expect, but an athletic 6'5"PG would be just fine with me. Fleming is the one everyone's talked about the most. I'm expecting Jeff Moe 2.0 from him. Let the battle for minutes begin.
I keep forgetting about Williams and then read or hear really good reports. Yes a 6'5' or 6'6" point guard is a great weapon.
Holy crap, I like this kid's game. Haven't seen that video yet, thanks for posting. It will be interesting to see how Fran and stuff help his jumper evolve, but he is unreal around the rim. Great left hand and looks dangerous in the open floor.
I really doubt Fran will change his system simply because he has some new freshmen. And I would not want him to.
Nice to see Williams getting some props from someone besides me and Joe Henricksen. 
http://suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2015/06/04/henricksen-last-look-class-2015/
He is 6'6" now by the way. And yes, he will play point guard.
As far as my eyes tell me, we can take Wagner, Hutton, Fleming, Moss and Williams and guess at who will have the biggest impact! All of 'em are typical McCaffery "finds" that will enjoy success above their high school ranking. The only concern I have is if some of them get caught behind another who makes bigger strides.
http://suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2015/06/04/henricksen-last-look-class-2015/
He is 6'6" now by the way. And yes, he will play point guard.
As far as my eyes tell me, we can take Wagner, Hutton, Fleming, Moss and Williams and guess at who will have the biggest impact! All of 'em are typical McCaffery "finds" that will enjoy success above their high school ranking. The only concern I have is if some of them get caught behind another who makes bigger strides.
So, is it true that the reason he didn't have more big time offers, was due to grades? Watching that video, I see some serious playa skill!
That's what I've heard too with regard to other offers. Disappointed he couldn't make the PTL, but sure glad he used the time to get his grades in order. Haven't seen any of Fran's players not make grades and I believe he had a reputation for keeping kids on track for graduation at Siena. So I expect Moss will be fine academically at Iowa.
Well larry brown and bruce pearl wanted him. A four star by espn. They are really good recruiters! One is a hall of fame coach.
is that good, i don't know... is that good?
hutton was offered by huggins and bo ryan. both coaches that made the sweet 16.
moss by brown and pearl
billy donovan offered flemming in 8th grade...
ahmad wagner played that highest level of ohio basketball and won the state title with his team. he probably wasn't more highly recruited as he is about 2 inches too short to be a ready made starting PF. who knows if he'll grow but he already looks like a man to me.
we have some talent incoming this winter.
Moss is probably the one I'm most excited to see.
his game looks to me like Marble in his Junior year. Marble as a freshman was not where moss was as a senior in high school. no way. moss is already further along IMHO. this winter will be fun.
Go Fran Go.
So, by bigger strides do you mean 3 on 1st Team All Big and 2 on 2nd Team?Nice to see Williams getting some props from someone besides me and Joe Henricksen.
http://suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2015/06/04/henricksen-last-look-class-2015/
He is 6'6" now by the way. And yes, he will play point guard.
As far as my eyes tell me, we can take Wagner, Hutton, Fleming, Moss and Williams and guess at who will have the biggest impact! All of 'em are typical McCaffery "finds" that will enjoy success above their high school ranking. The only concern I have is if some of them get caught behind another who makes bigger strides.
The ones who will have the biggest impact are the guys that can consistently put the biscuit in the basket, we''ll have to wait and see who they are.Henrickson's comments aside, I think the reason Williams hasn't been more noticed in general is that he seems good at a lot of things but not exceptional. That changes if he plays PG as his height and athleticism cause real matchup issues there.Nice to see Williams getting some props from someone besides me and Joe Henricksen.
http://suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2015/06/04/henricksen-last-look-class-2015/
He is 6'6" now by the way. And yes, he will play point guard.
As far as my eyes tell me, we can take Wagner, Hutton, Fleming, Moss and Williams and guess at who will have the biggest impact! All of 'em are typical McCaffery "finds" that will enjoy success above their high school ranking. The only concern I have is if some of them get caught behind another who makes bigger strides.
From his video I'm going to assert Moss has the most potential as a scorer. And I say that knowing Fleming can score. But Fleming is the most versatile. His best position is SG, but his frame could handle SF. Also, Fran's looking at Fleming and Williams as getting PG minutes in the future.
Those are my guesses. Don't know what that means as an impact comparison.
So, by bigger strides do you mean 3 on 1st Team All Big and 2 on 2nd Team?
I wouldn't go that far just yet. But I will say that I look at Wagner, Fleming, Moss, all unranked three star guys, as compared to Morrow 4* 105, Cline #141 and Reeves #143 and I'm not seeing a big difference, in fact I think our three are better. I watch Hutton and the guy that comes to mind is Rapheal Davis, a 4* defensive minded player at Purdue. And if Bronson Koenig was a 4* point guard, I sure wonder why Christian Williams can't be that?
I think McCaffery nailed this class. Just talking the incoming freshmen. And when I say I worry about guys getting caught behind each other, what I mean is that we've still got Jok...and the wings have three guys already mentioned, not including Ellingson. That's figuring Williams at point. The wings are pretty full and that doesn't change with Graduation this year.
It is going to be a fun year to watch the new guys. That much is certain.
Morrow received a lot a well-deserved credit at Simeon, as he was a monster inside and powered his way to a lot of baskets and rebounds. Moss, who played alongside Morrow, as well as an Illini recruit and a 4-star who is a current senior, did not always have great stats but his upside is higher than any of these 3 guys due to the combination of his shooting, ballhandling and jumping skills.
Some great potential in this class. Fran has going to have his hands full figuring out a rotation that doesn't leave a couple of very talented kids really disappointed, especially at the wing positions. Top 14 players on this team might all be more talented than most of the starters under Lick.
There will be a struggle, in that Fran needs to pick a couple newbies to play, and only 3-4. So, 3-4 will have to sit. Even tho a couple of them will be as good as the others. But won't see the floor.
Fran cannot rotate the players. For continuity reasons of the team, he has to stick to certain players and not flip-flop them. That will be tough. Knowing you want and can play another guy, but shouldn't to keep the flow and familiarity of the team together.
Fran will have to preach that there will be a lot more minutes next year...
These things tend to sort themselves out once practice begins for real. No doubt there are going to be some disappointed players on the bench.
Hope that last post makes some sense as I was trying to reply to Hawkeyeguy69 and it all ran together
Fran has shown a willingness to go 9-10 deep. We know the seniors, Jok and Uhl will be six players getting significant minutes. I think Fleming, Moss, and Jones are going to be offensive options difficult to keep on the bench. That's 9. Wagner and Hutton are going to be more valuable as they learn D. Hutton has said as much concerning himself. Williams needs to learn the point more. The last 3 guys and Ellingson will get some minutes preseason and when they're playing exceptionally well in practice. Williams might take some of Clemmons' minutes as he learns the point later in the season. That's how I see it until we see something to the contrary.
Made sense. As to what I'd like to see? Some blowouts where the new guys can get in and play. I'm not worried about too many in the rotation, and wouldn't be surprised if some newbies start out better than others but like any good horse race they change "leads" all season long.
And if fortune shines on us, maybe a couple of the new guys can actually push the six experienced players for minutes. If that happens, we could be a surprise team in the Big Ten.
But I'll trust Fran, play eight, ten, whatever he sees fit.
Opportunities always arise and that's when players have to be ready to show, not overshow, what they can do.
Don't turn it. Don't panic. Get into the flow of the game and of the players on the floor. If you can shine, be ready to shine and not fall on your face. Aaron White was that player for most of his 4 years. He fit in and worked hard.
It will take a real maturity to stick it out and work hard without the reward of playing time. Without seeing some of the newbies play any meaningful minutes, conjecture is all we have.
Don't turn it. Don't panic. Get into the flow of the game and of the players on the floor. If you can shine, be ready to shine and not fall on your face. Aaron White was that player for most of his 4 years. He fit in and worked hard.
It will take a real maturity to stick it out and work hard without the reward of playing time. Without seeing some of the newbies play any meaningful minutes, conjecture is all we have.
Morrow is an undersized 4. Wagner has similar measurables, cannot shoot as well, but is much stronger. And Cook would eat either up right now. I would guess that unless Morrow becomes a much better ball handler and shooter, he will not be a major B1G player.
I have been on Williams bandwagon since day 1.Nice to see Williams getting some props from someone besides me and Joe Henricksen.
http://suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2015/06/04/henricksen-last-look-class-2015/
He is 6'6" now by the way. And yes, he will play point guard.
As far as my eyes tell me, we can take Wagner, Hutton, Fleming, Moss and Williams and guess at who will have the biggest impact! All of 'em are typical McCaffery "finds" that will enjoy success above their high school ranking. The only concern I have is if some of them get caught behind another who makes bigger strides.
That's right! My apologies. Well, that's three or four of us.
I can just imagine what is going on between Hutton, Williams, Fleming, Moss, Ellingson. All the little stuff each one brings and then to have seniors like Gesell and Clemmons mentoring them. Same with Wagner and even Jones working with the bigs.
In 2012/13 our newbies weren't so lucky. We tossed our guys into the battle right out of the Boy Scouts.
We have 4 seniors: Woody, Gesell, Clemmons, and Uthoff leaving after this season, all of them play a lot of minutes so there will be plenty of opportunity for these freshman to move into substantial PT next year.
That's right! My apologies. Well, that's three or four of us.
I can just imagine what is going on between Hutton, Williams, Fleming, Moss, Ellingson. All the little stuff each one brings and then to have seniors like Gesell and Clemmons mentoring them. Same with Wagner and even Jones working with the bigs.
In 2012/13 our newbies weren't so lucky. We tossed our guys into the battle right out of the Boy Scouts.
I've been trying to put my finger on who Christan Williams reminds me of and I have found the perfect comparison: Michael Carter Williams.
I could see Clemmons and Jok losing a bit of PT to the new guys.
Still wish Wagner would consider playing football too.
Still wish Wagner would consider playing football too.
Lest we forget...Nick Baer lurks on the sidelines trying to find a role, also.
Experience is critical when playing in he BIG, especially on the road. Having 4 seniors and a junior with copious minutes will really help. Uhl also got valuable minutes last year.
Yes, Fran will probably use 3-4 consistently. Where the new bodies will really help is in practice.
Yes, Fran will probably use 3-4 consistently. Where the new bodies will really help is in practice.
This was, to me, the biggest problem with the previous regime. When you have B1G caliber players to go against in practice, it's better preparation for the games. Even if those practice players aren't playing minutes during the games, they still fill a huge role.
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