Shirts and Skins?

[mazda1]

I think there is a real possibility Jok's minutes don't go up this year. His defense was much better last year, but he won't be confused as lockdown defender. He starts strong, but has had stamina issues dus to health. When White wasn't the scoring option he was at the end of the year Peter got minutes as about our only offensive threat to help JU.

Peter can be an explosive scorer and has experience, but we've got other scoring options on the bench now who may be better defenders. Giving Peter more frequent blows may help his game too.

A guy like Flemming or Moss could push Peter. Moss looks like he can create for himself. Peter would likely still be the guy on the floor at crunch time.

 

[RocknRollface]

This was, to me, the biggest problem with the previous regime. When you have B1G caliber players to go against in practice, it's better preparation for the games. Even if those practice players aren't playing minutes during the games, they still fill a huge role.

The biggest problem was that the majority of the roster was not d1 talent.

 

[KeyWest Tim]

Agree with Mazda.... Peter will either have to get better or his time will not increase this year.

May be good motivation for him.

 

[FranklinHawk]

I think there is a real possibility Jok's minutes don't go up this year. His defense was much better last year, but he won't be confused as lockdown defender. He starts strong, but has had stamina issues dus to health. When White wasn't the scoring option he was at the end of the year Peter got minutes as about our only offensive threat to help JU.

Peter can be an explosive scorer and has experience, but we've got other scoring options on the bench now who may be better defenders. Giving Peter more frequent blows may help his game too.

A guy like Flemming or Moss could push Peter. Moss looks like he can create for himself. Peter would likely still be the guy on the floor at crunch time.

Pete has stated a few times over this offseason that he has corrected some bad eating and sleeping habits and that it has really helped with conditioning/stamina. If that is the case, I'd be very surprised to see his minutes go down this year.

 

[DanL53]

No doubt that the wings will have a fight for playing time. Jok has mentioned plans to move him to small forward and I think that stands to reason to put him where his ball handling and passing aren't pressed so hard by quicker guards.

Will he lose minutes? I doubt it. But all the guys fighting for time aren't going to back off just because of a Junior who has been around a couple years. The competition, playing against each other in practice, and the chance to rest when needed will be beneficial to all our wings.

 

[SSG T]

The biggest problem was that the majority of the roster was not d1 talent.

No, it was DI talent, just not high major, Power 5 talent. There's a gulf of a difference between not being B1G quality and not being DI quality.

The starters on those teams, while not championship caliber or maybe even starter caliber, were mostly B1G quality players. The benches, for the most part, were low to mid major talent with an occasional DII or lower mixed in (Lil' Lick). The problem those starters faced was a) not practicing against guys who should be in the B1G and b) not being replaced in games by guys who should be in the B1G.

 

[SSG T]

Pete has stated a few times over this offseason that he has corrected some bad eating and sleeping habits and that it has really helped with conditioning/stamina. If that is the case, I'd be very surprised to see his minutes go down this year.

That explanation makes far more sense than the asthma issue everyone brings up. If you're a high major athlete and asthma is limiting you, you probably either shouldn't be a high major athlete or find a better doctor. There are a lot of world class middle distance runners that have asthma, they can outrun any college basketball player.

Not eating or sleeping right and trying to do all the things a college students does, plus play and train for basketball year round can easily lead to fatigue issues.

 

[hawk-i bob]

The biggest problem was that the majority of the roster was not d1 talent.

no the biggest problem with the previous regime was the coach...why do you players like Freeman, Peterson, Kelly, Fuller left? its unfair to say the majority of the roster was not D1 talent...its totally fair to say the coach was not a D1 coach.

 

[Legend12]

no the biggest problem with the previous regime was the coach...why do you players like Freeman, Peterson, Kelly, Fuller left? its unfair to say the majority of the roster was not D1 talent...its totally fair to say the coach was not a D1 coach.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I think there is a real possibility Jok's minutes don't go up this year. His defense was much better last year, but he won't be confused as lockdown defender. He starts strong, but has had stamina issues dus to health. When White wasn't the scoring option he was at the end of the year Peter got minutes as about our only offensive threat to help JU.

Peter can be an explosive scorer and has experience, but we've got other scoring options on the bench now who may be better defenders. Giving Peter more frequent blows may help his game too.

A guy like Flemming or Moss could push Peter. Moss looks like he can create for himself. Peter would likely still be the guy on the floor at crunch time.

Yes and no. I think without AF and IM, PJ gets 27-30 minutes. With them I'm thinking 22-25. Remember, Fran was predicting he'd be the second-leading scorer this summer, throwing the gauntlet down for Pete to get to 15 per. I do think Clemmons' minutes could actually go down slightly if there's a crunch at the wings. This would imply that PJ, IM, and AF turn out to play with reasonable A/T ratios, obviously easier said than done, especially for frosh.

 

[StormHawk42]

Never underestimate the importance of good defense. I think Clemmons maintains his minutes. Likely as gesell's backup like last year.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Never underestimate the importance of good defense. I think Clemmons maintains his minutes. Likely as gesell's backup like last year.

Clemmons averaged about 20 last year, the same as Jok. I'm figuring MG for about 27 this year. So specifically, I'm saying those 7 minutes not playing MG's backup could go down. That's if JU starts at 4 and IM and AF earn some Sapp minutes at the 2.

 

[mazda1]

I don't think Peter's minutes necessarily go down, I'm just doubting th a t they go up much. If AF or IM or Hutton or BE prove they can handle the 2. Sapp's minutes could have to decrease as the year goes on.

There are so many good possibilities I can't wait to see how things shake out. One thing for certain I bet practices are a war. It should set the standard for how Hawkeye's work.

 

[jerbob36]

I think I am in the minority here, but I have never gotten the hype on Jok. Yeah, he would probably win a HORSE contest with anybody in the B1G, but I've never seen him consistently create offense beyond a catch-and-shoot jumper. I know he added a dribble-pull up jumper last season, but I don't think he's going to get those looks much in the B1G.
Defensively... well, I'm not going to bash the kid because I love his attitude and love for the program, but if anybody watched his defense closely you would know his offensive potential is keeping him on the floor.
He has always seemed a bit shaky handling the ball with good defenders on him.
I'm hoping things come together for him because he seems like a great kid, but I guess I don't share some of the opinions that he's going to average 13-15 ppg this season.

 

[freemanbrenner]

I would see gesell and Jok get 30 mpg. Think uthoff could get up to 35 mpg. If Jok is consistent and in better shape, that will be good for iowa knowing hot he got off to fast starts last year. Looked in way better shape in ptl and a lot faster.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I think I am in the minority here, but I have never gotten the hype on Jok. Yeah, he would probably win a HORSE contest with anybody in the B1G, but I've never seen him consistently create offense beyond a catch-and-shoot jumper. I know he added a dribble-pull up jumper last season, but I don't think he's going to get those looks much in the B1G.
Defensively... well, I'm not going to bash the kid because I love his attitude and love for the program, but if anybody watched his defense closely you would know his offensive potential is keeping him on the floor.
He has always seemed a bit shaky handling the ball with good defenders on him.
I'm hoping things come together for him because he seems like a great kid, but I guess I don't share some of the opinions that he's going to average 13-15 ppg this season.

Jok has proved for two summers now that when no one is guarding him (PTL), he's far and away the best shooter on the team. He's not just a catch and shoot guy as his sidestep move is pretty effective. Just a bit of room created by a dribble-drive threat could really make him dangerous. He also has gotten better defensively but is not gifted with his lateral movement. This is why Fran's trying to get him more time at 3, for O and D. It's also why Jok has worked on strength and rebounding.

Now Clemmons is more of a defensive guard. We could use more offense at the 2 to take pressure off JU and Jok. IF the wings are coming on to challenge Sapp at the 2, I actually think IM has the best shot at starting because I like his defensive potential better than AF and his offensive potential better than Sapp.

 

[freemanbrenner]

Moss has a really good looking shot. Sounds like he played well in the shirts and skins scrimmage so maybe at some point his woks his way into the starting lineup.

 

[stomper90]

I still think Moss will be the person to take a red shirt this year. Then have 4 years with Cook as a dynamic tandem.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I still think Moss will be the person to take a red shirt this year. Then have 4 years with Cook as a dynamic tandem.

If he does, I think it will be for academic reasons. Otherwise no.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Its been a long time now since we've had this many newcomers in one season. Its also the first time in ten years that Hawks have replaced so many outstanding players all in once class. Don't you suppose other Big Ten fans are saying that Woodbury, Gesell, Clemmons and Uthoff have been around forever?

Once Woody goes to the bench Hawks get really small next season. I hope these new guys can shoot like a Marine sniper, and from equally ridiculous range.

 

[hawksense]

Who gets the feeling that this will be a season long work in progress? One player asserts himself, only to see someone else up the ante.

I think we've given lots of love to the true newcomers. But I think that 2 players that have been on the practice floor for a season could have something to say.

Ellingson and Baer are veteran in system experience and what coach is looking for. If they fall by the wayside, then one could only assume that the talent coming in can't be denied. In that case, I hope they are tremendous teammates that help to coach up the kids.

 

[C/Seahawk]

I would see gesell and Jok get 30 mpg. Think uthoff could get up to 35 mpg. If Jok is consistent and in better shape, that will be good for iowa knowing hot he got off to fast starts last year. Looked in way better shape in ptl and a lot faster.

I not convinced Jok is built for 30 minutes at this level, not sure he can maintain the intensity and effort, on the defensive end especially, to be on the floor that long, especially if we have decent options on the bench. His conditioning was improved last year, but I would be surprised if he logs 30+ minutes. I agree 100% on gesell, get him 35 minutes if possible. I think uthoff is similar to Jok, not sure he can handle 35 min, but hopefully it's close to 30. Woodbury is a guy that I hope plays 30+ as well, he seems to have great conditioning and stamina for a center. Only thing to hold him back from 30 min would be foul trouble.

 

[freemanbrenner]

Uthoff averged 30 last year, I don't see why he couldn't average 35 mpg. Jok was in sooooo much better shape watching him in ptl. He has improved a ton and he did good things last year. Helped iowa get off to fast starts which was huge. He outplayed dez wells and petteway. I think he can play 30 mpg. I have a hard time seeing woodbury play 30 mpg. I think we will play the way we did when we lost white in the second half at purdue. We outscored them in Tht half and did a lot of driving and kicking. Uhl can guard bigger guys. He was impressive guarding woodbury in ptl.

I not convinced Jok is built for 30 minutes at this level, not sure he can maintain the intensity and effort, on the defensive end especially, to be on the floor that long, especially if we have decent options on the bench. His conditioning was improved last year, but I would be surprised if he logs 30+ minutes. I agree 100% on gesell, get him 35 minutes if possible. I think uthoff is similar to Jok, not sure he can handle 35 min, but hopefully it's close to 30. Woodbury is a guy that I hope plays 30+ as well, he seems to have great conditioning and stamina for a center. Only thing to hold him back from 30 min would be foul trouble.

 

[bouma1415]

Too much talent on the bench?? Not a problem. Every team usually has one or two players that end up injured. Iowa has the potential on the bench to step in and not be a huge drop off. Only spot where there is not an adequate replacement is Woodbury.

 

[BBHawk]

Too much talent on the bench?? Not a problem. Every team usually has one or two players that end up injured. Iowa has the potential on the bench to step in and not be a huge drop off. Only spot where there is not an adequate replacement is Woodbury.

This. SGs are notorious for getting dinged up. Having what some consider an excess of SGs on this team will be a benefit as Iowa goes through the wars of the B1G.

 

[C/Seahawk]

Uthoff averged 30 last year, I don't see why he couldn't average 35 mpg. Jok was in sooooo much better shape watching him in ptl. He has improved a ton and he did good things last year. Helped iowa get off to fast starts which was huge. He outplayed dez wells and petteway. I think he can play 30 mpg. I have a hard time seeing woodbury play 30 mpg. I think we will play the way we did when we lost white in the second half at purdue. We outscored them in Tht half and did a lot of driving and kicking. Uhl can guard bigger guys. He was impressive guarding woodbury in ptl.

Good to hear about Jok and his continued improvement as it relates to conditioning. I'll still be surprised if he averages 30+ minutes, but this should increase his effectiveness when he is in. Also slightly surprised Uthoff was at 30 last year, would have guessed slightly lower. I think even he has admitted in the past he gets a little worked up before games so breathers are necessary and wouldn't be surprised to see him get 3-5 minutes per half on the sideline.

at any rate...very excited about the upcoming season and thanks for the feedback from what you saw at PTL.

 

[hawkit3113]

Jok is a great shooter and clearly you don't watch the games that close. That dude comes off of screens and shoots like Matt Gatens use to do. That is very hard to do.