All time assist leader, all time 3 point leader, top 10 in all time scoring (I think), countless memorable big game shots over the years. What a legacy. Would've been cool if they retired his # along with Luka's after the game.
Should've retired Jbo's number, too
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Maybe someday....there's only 36 numbers that can be used for basketball...Iowa's already retired 10 of those numbers including Luka's number 55. Can't retire them all..
Disagree. If Dick Ives, Herb Wilkinson, Murray Wier, Charles Darling, Sam Williams, John Johnson, Fred Brown, or Andre Woolridge's aren't retired, then why should JBo's? He is an all time great from a career standpoint. But, he has one third team all-Big Ten accolade so far in his career. All of the guys I listed above are All-Americans and in some cases multiple times.
If you look at the jersey retirements, the only one comparable is BJ who at least had two 2nd team all-Big Ten nods, the same two career records as JBo when he graduated, finished his career 3rd all time in scoring, steals, and free throws made, and had much better team success in March:
If you look at the jersey retirements, the only one comparable is BJ who at least had two 2nd team all-Big Ten nods, the same two career records as JBo when he graduated, finished his career 3rd all time in scoring, steals, and free throws made, and had much better team success in March:
| 10 | B. J. Armstrong (jersey) | 1992 |
| 12 | Ronnie Lester | 1980 |
| 21 | Carl Cain | 1980 |
| 22 | Bill Seaberg | 1980 |
| 31 | Bill Logan | 1980 |
| 33 | Bill Schoof | 1980 |
| 40 | Chris Street | 1993 |
| 41 | Greg Stokes | 1985 |
| 46 | Sharm Scheuerman | 1980 |
| 55 | Luka Garza | 2021 |
I still don’t understand how they haven’t retired Roy marbles number.
The NCAA will eventually have to get rid of that stupid rule.
Let’s start w Roy Marble as next possible option for jersey retirement. What is the actual story or reason it’s not already retired? He was no saint off the court and all but has to be more than that.
I was sad for him when they paraded him out before he died for whatever ceremony that was, only to not retire his jersey.
I was sad for him when they paraded him out before he died for whatever ceremony that was, only to not retire his jersey.
Bohannon would stand a much better chance of joining that list if his name was Bill.
So, they retired BJ's jersey and not his number? How does that work?
The premise is that you retire the jersey, meaning the number 10 with Armstrong over it. But the number is still eligible for other players to wear. The idea is that it helps avoid running out of eligible numbers. If you look at how numbers were retired, it makes sense that by the time they got around to BJ they were worried about the availability of numbers.
- 1980 Fabulous Five's numbers all retired together and Ronnie retired right after his career was over.
- 1985 Greg Stokes's number retired after being the team's all time leading scorer right after his career was over
- At this point 7 numbers were retired. I'm guessing they figured they were done retiring numbers.
- 1992 Retire BJ's jersey, as a new way to avoid running out of numbers, after he wins a couple titles with the Bulls. Seems a bit pandering because of his popularity and his pro career, but he is an all time great. Just maybe not as great as many other players when considering college career only.
- 1993 Retire Street's number after he died. This was unplanned and they couldn't do the jersey thing with it, so they had to do another number retirement.
That's it, until Luka came along and re-wrote the record books.
Feel like you gotta be an All American at a minimum.
Not that I'm arguing JBo's should get retired, I don't understand having limitations on numbers, for HS or college. It makes no sense.
They should get to use any 2 digit number they want (assuming it isn't retired).
That was very disappointing. They should, at the very least, have retired the jersey like they did for BJ. The man made some mistakes but that does not diminish what he did on the court at Iowa. Big mistake by Barta.
I get it too, but the rationale was the official was able to signal fouls with one hand, and unless Antonio Alfonseca was officiating your game.....
I mean, NBA refs are somehow able to signal a foul on Luka Doncic, Markieff Morris and Tacko Fall, how could NCAA or HS refs not be able to?
(I get your point, just being rhetorical here)
For the record, I'm 100% in favor of retiring Street's #40 under those circumstances, but just curious as to why they couldn't retire his jersey, and had to retire the number? I'm not sure I understand how that works.
And to clarify, BJ's #10 - This means we could have another player NOT named Armstrong wear #10? But anyone else named Armstrong CAN'T wear #10?
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Here is a bit of a fun-fact: At the time Armstrong's jersey was retired, Kevin Smith was wearing #10 for Iowa. I remember reading a story when he asked if he needed to switch numbers and halftime. Apparently he did not. From that point, no other Iowa player wore #10 until 2012, when Mike Gesell took #10. In other words, for 20 years, it appeared that the "number" was just as retired as the "jersey."
Honestly, the overreach was probably in the retirement of all five Fab 5 numbers in 1980. It was a great team, to be sure, but it took a lot of popular numbers out of circulation. (And there are other Hawkeye greats that rank as high, or higher, than the Fab 5.
The numbers for basketball I believe are designed for the refs to be able to signal to the scorers table the players number on fouls by using hand signals. Thus numbers only go to 1 thru five for the number of fingers, so 15, 25, 35, 45, 55 are the highest number in each set of 10. So no 16 thru 19 for example, etc on up to 55 being the highest number. Now the pro's manage to have higher numbers, say 77 for example, and probably the colleges will end up doing this as well. Hell they spend enough time at the scorers table anyway, they can just tell them while there over there......
Yep, by special request for Pmac only at this point because he and his friend who passed from cancer wore that number in high school. He spoke to Bill Seeburg to get special permission.
Do not think Greg Stokes, Chris Street or BJ should have their jerseys retired. An obvious catastrophe befell Chris, and he certainly was outstanding with a bright future but I think jersey retirement should be reserved for a few guys that were either big winners or fantastically impressive individual performances, like two time first team All American, national scoring leader and probably NPoY.
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My personal feeling is that none of them should be retired with exception of Street's #40. And if an Iowa kid wanted to wear #40, they could do so if they got the Street family permission. Iowa has way too many retired numbers. The all-time greats, go ahead and put their jersey #'s in the rafters. But having all the numbers of the Final 4 team from 1956 is just not smart. They are going to end up with a very small set of #'s that can actually be used.
This x 1000. They should make all the numbers available. It's not dishonoring former players to have their jerseys retired, but let other players continue to wear the number.
The Football team only hangs there name at Kinnick if they are consensus All Americans.
If you base it on team career records, suddenly you will run out of numbers. I didn’t need Maury Weir’s, Don Nelson’s, Ronnie Lester’s or Roy Marble's jersey hanging in CHA to remember how they were great Hawkeyes. .Or even John Johnson’s and Freddie Brown’s, who though short timers went undefeated in Big Ten play.
If you base it on team career records, suddenly you will run out of numbers. I didn’t need Maury Weir’s, Don Nelson’s, Ronnie Lester’s or Roy Marble's jersey hanging in CHA to remember how they were great Hawkeyes. .Or even John Johnson’s and Freddie Brown’s, who though short timers went undefeated in Big Ten play.
True, but they do have numbers retired as well.......But only two. Kinnicks #24, and Calvin Jones #62.
Absolutely not. We would have to retire 100 more numbers from the past if we did JBO's. He was very good but not elite. McCausdland was a horrible defender and great shooter too. Retire his also?
That's a universal basketball rule for refs to tell the scoring table who the foul is on. You can't show the number 7 with one hand
Oh yeah? So the NBA is not part of the universe?
I think it should be like the football wall. 2 time consensus all American requirements
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