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SI asked real doctors if they would play football now. Most said NO.

Many doctors would tell you they wouldn’t play football before Covid was a thing. Nobody cared what they thought then, and that was considered acceptable. I know multiple doctors that think we should only be shutdown in areas where hospitals are overrun.
 
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Most of these doctors are in their 40's and 50's, I wouldn't want to play in the NFL in my 40's or 50's either much less have to pay to watch people that old play. SI failed bigly.
 
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Actually, there are and have been real doctors that have played or are playing in the NFL... Cheifs lineman opted out this year and there are more that retired and are doctors..........

"How many" was my question? As a follow-on, do they advise against playing football this Fall?
 
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Most would have said no to playing if the article was written two years ago with the premise being CTE

Bingo. Plus you can't ask people who work so closely with this because they are constantly looking at the worst case scenarios. I know a dermatologist that basically looks at skin cancer cells every day. He doesn't go to the beach or play golf because all he can think about is skin cancer.
 
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The ER where I work has treated plenty of young, healthy patients that have covid. Some of them athletes as well.

Did they come in screaming, "helps me!!! I gots the COVID and I am gonna die!!!". How many such people were admitted and not just sent home? And did they have preexisting conditions? I have seen some stories on tv about someone having it and they had no preexisting condition but based on the video are obviously way over weight (and not athletically over weight). The thing with fear is too, a good % will get it in their head if they get this big bad virus they are gonna die because the media says so, so they get symptoms and run to the ER.
 
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Bingo. Plus you can't ask people who work so closely with this because they are constantly looking at the worst case scenarios. I know a dermatologist that basically looks at skin cancer cells every day. He doesn't go to the beach or play golf because all he can think about is skin cancer.

Michael Levitt was making essentially the same point very early on when he admonished policy makers to not rely solely on epidemiologists to guide public policy on COVID. As he pointed out, epidemiologists have spent their entire careers seeking to combat epidemics. It's where the "one death is too many" mantra originates.

Instead, Levitt advised that while mitigating COVID deaths is certainly a nobel cause, policymakers need to be considering a whole range of factors impacted by their policies. So good policy in response to an epidemic can and should include epidemiologists, but data scientists, economists, sociologists, and other experts need to be heard as well.
 
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Of course, these are actual doctors with expertise in fields that deal with issues like COVID-19. Their comments seem to support the decision made by the Big Ten, Pac 12, the MAC, Ivy League, and many other conferences. I realize that doesn't suit the narrative of most posters on here, but so be it.

Sixty-two percent of the doctors told SI that even if they were making $10 million a year, they would not play in the NFL this season. Why not? One doctor said, "We have no idea what will happen five years from now or three years from now because we don’t know anyone who’s had it that long. All we are seeing is that this is not like the flu. There’s vascular inflammation that occurs. This virus actually damages the vessels in our body. We’re seeing things we don’t usually see." And the more he learns, the more worried he becomes.

The SI article adds, "Chiefs lineman Laurent Duvernay-Tardif holds a doctorate in medicine and has helped fight the virus at a long-term care facility in Quebec this offseason—and he has elected not to play football this year."

Now you self-appointed medical experts can continue to quibble about it, but Sports Illustrated asked real doctors who know what the hell they're talking about. The long-term consequences of COVID-19 are unknown, but they are becoming a greater and greater concern among experts.

And that's why the Big Ten and the other conferences aren't playing this fall.

If you are open-minded enough to accept more information, you can read the entire article here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/08/24/d...ource=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-sports-illustrated

What is a "doctor" and how many are there in the US and how many did SI survey?
 
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Well the guy said no one, so I was pointing out the obvious.

No, that's not what the guy said. You said, but they guy you responded to said:

"How many real doctors played in the NFL last Fall? How many will be playing next Fall? Or any Fall?"

I'm just pointing out the obvious.
 
No, that's not what the guy said. You said, but they guy you responded to said:

"How many real doctors played in the NFL last Fall? How many will be playing next Fall? Or any Fall?"

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

LOL, he is a real doctor. It is ok to admit if you are wrong man, no one cares that much.
 
LOL, he is a real doctor. It is ok to admit if you are wrong man, no one cares that much.

English comprehension may not be your strong suit, Jethro.. At least you've still got parading around HR in hour pointy white cap to fall back on.
 
English comprehension may not be your strong suit, Jethro.. At least you've still got parading around HR in hour pointy white cap to fall back on.

I am not following you..... so you said there were no real doctors that played in the NFL last fall.... I pointed out there was one, as did the posted article, and you are ranting about what exactly? I do not follow your puns..... because they are not whitty at all.
 
Michael Levitt was making essentially the same point very early on when he admonished policy makers to not rely solely on epidemiologists to guide public policy on COVID. As he pointed out, epidemiologists have spent their entire careers seeking to combat epidemics. It's where the "one death is too many" mantra originates.

Instead, Levitt advised that while mitigating COVID deaths is certainly a nobel cause, policymakers need to be considering a whole range of factors impacted by their policies. So good policy in response to an epidemic can and should include epidemiologists, but data scientists, economists, sociologists, and other experts need to be heard as well.

Oh, so you are in the Darwin theory category on all of this, makes sense
 
Oh, so you are in the Darwin theory category on all of this, makes sense

I'm in the expert theory. Nobody is surprised when those of you driven by #FearPorn ignore the advice of Nobel Laureates.
 
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I'm in the expert theory. Nobody is surprised when those of youe driven by #FearPorn ignore the advice of Nobel Laureates.

But, at the same time you ignore the advice of other Nobel Laureates? of whatever it is you are trying to sound smart by typing?
 
I am not following you..... so you said there were no real doctors that played in the NFL last fall.... I pointed out there was one, as did the posted article, and you are ranting about what exactly? I do not follow your puns..... because they are not whitty at all.

It's not an accident you can't provide a quote of me saying there were no real doctors that played in the NFL. It really is just because you're an illiterate.
 
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But, at the same time you ignore the advice of other Nobel Laureates? of whatever it is you are trying to sound smart by typing?

You mean like the ones from Imperial College in London?

I'm incorporating the advice of experts in multiple disciplines, who understand that various choices also have various consequences, while paying particular attention to the experts whose previous advice has proven most correct. But hey, don't let that stop you from continuing to curl up in the fetal position in a cold dark corner of your cave, and trembling in terror.
 
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The B1G is about to make the single worst decision it has ever made by not playing football. Yes, there is an element of risk but, life itself has a perpetual element of risk. Every time you drive your car, go swimming, board a plane or attend a large social gathering where drinking is involved you are assuming a risk. Nothing has ever been achieved by succumbing to fear and risk.
 
The B1G is about to make the single worst decision it has ever made by not playing football. Yes, there is an element of risk but, life itself has a perpetual element of risk. Every time you drive your car, go swimming, board a plane or attend a large social gathering where drinking is involved you are assuming a risk. Nothing has ever been achieved by succumbing to fear and risk.
I can all but guarantee they walk back on it. Getting sued will do that
 
@aristotleiowa what is this horseshit jibberish? Harris is saying well no we won't have a national mask mandate?????????????????? That's your team man. Now they agree with Trump!?!?!??!?! WTF.

 
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The risk of permanent disability from COVID is too unknown right now. Even non-life threatening ailments can be debilitating. Having at one time dealt with vertigo issues myself, the fact that "1 in 3 recovered have neurological issues" is enough for me to actively avoid getting it. https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/12... by,disorders and deeper cognitive impairment.

This is a great time to keep your head down, stay out of public, and wait for it all to blow over. I wouldn't play this year either .
 
Whatever, my neighbors cousin brother works in the ER and said it’s all being blown way out of proportion! These doctors are just a bunch of liberal hacks!
(I think I nailed it! Maybe I’ll start to fit in soon!)

But in reality, thanks for sharing....maybe at some point people will wake up and start listening to real experts...
Nope. A sprayed tanned fake reality tv personality told them everything would be back to normal by April of this year. 185,000 and counting deaths later, he still feels the same way so let's play some FB.
 
I am a former conservative that has become pretty liberal over the last 5-10 years, and I am a believer in science.

Can anyone show me a single study that suggests any outdoor activities, regardless of number of participants is dangerous in respect to transmitting the virus?

Wouldn’t there be at least one huge outbreak in one of the cities that have had massive protests? What am I missing?

We can’t accuse the other side of the debate of transgressions, while being clouded ourselves. Use the whole scale.
If the media chose to report it. Has to be orange man bad.
 
I am a former conservative that has become pretty liberal over the last 5-10 years, and I am a believer in science.

Can anyone show me a single study that suggests any outdoor activities, regardless of number of participants is dangerous in respect to transmitting the virus?

Wouldn’t there be at least one huge outbreak in one of the cities that have had massive protests? What am I missing?

We can’t accuse the other side of the debate of transgressions, while being clouded ourselves. Use the whole scale.
It seems like common sense that the closer you are to other people the easier it is to catch COVID. Being outside certainly helps to not receive a large load of the virus Because of wind/air movement. Not getting a large load, cuts down on the severity of the illness. I’m not sure of the numbers of people contracting COVID who were at marches, but i’m sure some did become ill. Wearing masks, being outside and in some cases social distancing probably kept the numbers lower than if they weren’t doing those things.
 
Iowa wears $1000 helmets to reduce the risk. Don't know what the NCAA plans to do about covid.

All viruses carry risks. Covid is not unique in any way. Some of the mentioned “side effects” are already being walked back.

Life, in and of itself, is risky business. Stay in your bubble if you’d like but it’s time for the majority of folks to start living again, while at the same time, using common sense precautions.
 
Of course, these are actual doctors with expertise in fields that deal with issues like COVID-19. Their comments seem to support the decision made by the Big Ten, Pac 12, the MAC, Ivy League, and many other conferences. I realize that doesn't suit the narrative of most posters on here, but so be it.

Sixty-two percent of the doctors told SI that even if they were making $10 million a year, they would not play in the NFL this season. Why not? One doctor said, "We have no idea what will happen five years from now or three years from now because we don’t know anyone who’s had it that long. All we are seeing is that this is not like the flu. There’s vascular inflammation that occurs. This virus actually damages the vessels in our body. We’re seeing things we don’t usually see." And the more he learns, the more worried he becomes.

The SI article adds, "Chiefs lineman Laurent Duvernay-Tardif holds a doctorate in medicine and has helped fight the virus at a long-term care facility in Quebec this offseason—and he has elected not to play football this year."

Now you self-appointed medical experts can continue to quibble about it, but Sports Illustrated asked real doctors who know what the hell they're talking about. The long-term consequences of COVID-19 are unknown, but they are becoming a greater and greater concern among experts.

And that's why the Big Ten and the other conferences aren't playing this fall.

If you are open-minded enough to accept more information, you can read the entire article here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/08/24/d...ource=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-sports-illustrated

SI is a joke and your profile speaks for itself.
 
It seems like common sense that the closer you are to other people the easier it is to catch COVID. Being outside certainly helps to not receive a large load of the virus Because of wind/air movement. Not getting a large load, cuts down on the severity of the illness. I’m not sure of the numbers of people contracting COVID who were at marches, but i’m sure some did become ill. Wearing masks, being outside and in some cases social distancing probably kept the numbers lower than if they weren’t doing those things.
I don’t doubt some protesters did contract the disease, but I still have yet to see any evidence of outdoor transmission being a concern. Everything you said sounded good, but it was all a guess.

There was one confirmed outdoor transmission in Wuhan. Surely there have been more, but obviously it’s highly unlikely for it to happen. Have there been many more that I am unaware of? It’s been 8 months, and we do have some understanding of the disease now. I’m all for doing what the evidence suggests we should do. What evidence is there of an outdoor sport being dangerous? What am I missing?

The list of things we are allowed to do that are clearly more dangerous than playing football, in respect to transmitting the disease is long. Are we not playing football because of evidence based research, or because it’s a bad look? Having open restaurants, bars, or classrooms seems to be exponentially more dangerous.
 
Of course, these are actual doctors with expertise in fields that deal with issues like COVID-19. Their comments seem to support the decision made by the Big Ten, Pac 12, the MAC, Ivy League, and many other conferences. I realize that doesn't suit the narrative of most posters on here, but so be it.

Sixty-two percent of the doctors told SI that even if they were making $10 million a year, they would not play in the NFL this season. Why not? One doctor said, "We have no idea what will happen five years from now or three years from now because we don’t know anyone who’s had it that long. All we are seeing is that this is not like the flu. There’s vascular inflammation that occurs. This virus actually damages the vessels in our body. We’re seeing things we don’t usually see." And the more he learns, the more worried he becomes.

The SI article adds, "Chiefs lineman Laurent Duvernay-Tardif holds a doctorate in medicine and has helped fight the virus at a long-term care facility in Quebec this offseason—and he has elected not to play football this year."

Now you self-appointed medical experts can continue to quibble about it, but Sports Illustrated asked real doctors who know what the hell they're talking about. The long-term consequences of COVID-19 are unknown, but they are becoming a greater and greater concern among experts.

And that's why the Big Ten and the other conferences aren't playing this fall.

If you are open-minded enough to accept more information, you can read the entire article here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/08/24/d...ource=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-sports-illustrated

6%.

The other conferences that matter ARE playing this fall. Just because I want football to happen and think its reasonable that it can do it successfully, doesn't mean I am close-minded. We have wildly over-reacted to this virus and the numbers are proving that correct. Its become highly politicized - 25/26 republican states are playing HS football; meanwhile, 15/22 states with democtrat governors are not. Hmmm, that screams problems to me.

I have to listen to this nonsensical BS from every major news outlet, local and national, I don't need it here from you either. You're not some self-proclaimed, armchair expert because you read a few medical journals and reference medical and science articles from damn Sports Illustrated....of course those outlets have agendas and they're going to do everything they can to prove those agendas correctly.

Finally....knock it off.
 
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