Siebrecht rocks in Iowa debut

[js8793]

js can certainly speak for himself but I don’t see that as a shot at Siebrecht in the least. He has some pretty cool moves.

to be clear i love siebrecht and hope he continues to improve and take over the spot in 2 years once murin leaves. his style and approach are awesome and if he can develop into an aa threat over the next two years, it will be awesome watching him. but he’s not even close to that right now. even so, he’s made it clear he’s must see tv so i’ll always watch his matches.

i’m not from iowa so i don’t watch these kids grow up like many of you so i don’t have that implicit bias when the youngsters come in. i do the same thing for indiana kids i like and watch in high school. just the nature of being a fan.

i will admit that my comment was in poor taste. i’ve been a murin hype man for a bit and he takes a lot of crap on the board. the talk of siebrecht challenging for the spot when he hadn’t wrestled anybody who would sniff the national tourney made me roll my eyes. didn’t really have anything to do with him personally. just the fans who build kids up in their minds and then tend to tear them down months later when they don’t meet their own unreasonable expectations. based on his high school career, cobe is exactly where he should be rn if not ahead of schedule.

 

[IAChief32]

I don’t see anyone ridiculing Siebrecht.

Degen is a fringe AA when on top of his game. Which he’s not. Lost a close decision to Army guy last night. Murin is our guy here with a good mix of guys pushing him including Siebrecht.

Nah..it's not about Siebrecht more so about a guy telling us all he was right about a narrative nobody else was really pushing.

 

[texas twister]

Siebrecht has made nice strides but if I had to put in order the 149s this year based on who I thought is capable of qualifying and scoring points it would be:

Murin
Turk
Reyna
Siebrecht

You may be right; but, I see it as a dog fight. Winner take all. Come on Midlands.

 

[Monzon]

Nah..it's not about Siebrecht more so about a guy telling us all he was right about a narrative nobody else was really pushing.

Yeah, a weird flex.

 

[js8793]

Nah..it's not about Siebrecht more so about a guy telling us all he was right about a narrative nobody else was really pushing.

lol i’ll accept the poor taste criticism. you’re right. but don’t pretend nobody was saying he could be the guy at 149.

 

[texas twister]

I am really basing my thought on his progression on what gobblin said. Gobblin has connections with what is going on in the room. If gobblin says that CS is contending for the spot, I believe him. He does know what he is talking about. He did not say that CS would be the man, just a contender.

"I’m not so sure about that…. Cobe is going to make things very, very interesting at ‘49." - gobblin

 

[TarpHawk]

I stand by my previous comment that Siebrecht is probably #4 @ 149. That's based on:
- Murin being ranked in the top 8 and a proven R12
- Turk being a known quantity but never ranked in the top 12 (wrestlestat had him as high as #13 in 2020, currently at #23)--he's good but a step below Murin, maybe 2 or 3 steps below based on his Luther performance
- Reyna beating Turk in a close one that might go the other way 3x out of 5
- Reyna having no other significant wins but losses last year to #34 and #55 (wrestlestat currently ranks him #36)
- Siebrecht having had a good Luther Open without having to wrestle either Reyna or Turk, no significant D1 career wins (beating D3 champ is good), and a loss last year to #101

He got the start against Princeton because he won Luther. He kept the starting spot against Army because he wrestled well against the Princeton kid, who wasn't very good.

Had he beaten the #22 Army kid today I would've said, okay, there's something there.

As expected, he didn't. And as expected, it wasn't close. God forbid he should really be challenging for the starting spot if he's getting majored by #22.

If I were doing the rankings, I'd rank Murin #8, Turk #20, Reyna #35, and Siebrecht #50. That means there's one guy at 149 capable of scoring points at NCAAs.

 

[el dub]

I stand by my previous comment that Siebrecht is probably #4 @ 149. That's based on:
- Murin being ranked in the top 8 and a proven R12
- Turk being a known quantity but never ranked in the top 12 (wrestlestat had him as high as #13 in 2020, currently at #23)--he's good but a step below Murin, maybe 2 or 3 steps below based on his Luther performance
- Reyna beating Turk in a close one that might go the other way 3x out of 5
- Reyna having no other significant wins but losses last year to #34 and #55 (wrestlestat currently ranks him #36)
- Siebrecht having had a good Luther Open without having to wrestle either Reyna or Turk, no significant D1 career wins (beating D3 champ is good), and a loss last year to #101

He got the start against Princeton because he won Luther. He kept the starting spot against Army because he wrestled well against the Princeton kid, who wasn't very good.

Had he beaten the #22 Army kid today I would've said, okay, there's something there.

As expected, he didn't. And as expected, it wasn't close. God forbid he should really be challenging for the starting spot if he's getting majored by #22.

If I were doing the rankings, I'd rank Murin #8, Turk #20, Reyna #35, and Siebrecht #50. That means there's one guy at 149 capable of scoring points at NCAAs.

If it’s next man in, Reyna has to be the choice to go. He won the head to head against Turk and could actually use the time on the mat for development.

 

[Tcalumet]

lol i’ll accept the poor taste criticism. you’re right. but don’t pretend nobody was saying he could be the guy at 149.

I’ll admit with my ridiculous hawk optimism I was like - maybe this is the guy… still - he’s fun to watch - more please.

 

[Tcalumet]

I stand by my previous comment that Siebrecht is probably #4 @ 149. That's based on:
- Murin being ranked in the top 8 and a proven R12
- Turk being a known quantity but never ranked in the top 12 (wrestlestat had him as high as #13 in 2020, currently at #23)--he's good but a step below Murin, maybe 2 or 3 steps below based on his Luther performance
- Reyna beating Turk in a close one that might go the other way 3x out of 5
- Reyna having no other significant wins but losses last year to #34 and #55 (wrestlestat currently ranks him #36)
- Siebrecht having had a good Luther Open without having to wrestle either Reyna or Turk, no significant D1 career wins (beating D3 champ is good), and a loss last year to #101

He got the start against Princeton because he won Luther. He kept the starting spot against Army because he wrestled well against the Princeton kid, who wasn't very good.

Had he beaten the #22 Army kid today I would've said, okay, there's something there.

As expected, he didn't. And as expected, it wasn't close. God forbid he should really be challenging for the starting spot if he's getting majored by #22.

If I were doing the rankings, I'd rank Murin #8, Turk #20, Reyna #35, and Siebrecht #50. That means there's one guy at 149 capable of scoring points at NCAAs.

Agree - except I think the army kid will end up too 12 in rankings - pretty solid.

 

[TarpHawk]

If it’s next man in, Reyna has to be the choice to go. He won the head to head against Turk and could actually use the time on the mat for development.

Agree, but no reason to burn Reyna's shirt. I predict we'll see either Murin or Turk against Iowa State. I think Siebrecht lost his temporary starting spot based on today's performance. (Although Turk only wrestled one match at Nichols Open--and not a pretty one--before MFFing out.)

Anyone know if Turk and Reyna actually got hurt at Nichols or were only allowed one match to simulate a dual?

 

[js8793]

Agree - except I think the army kid will end up too 12 in rankings - pretty solid.

yeah ogunsanya is probably a top 15 guy and could place with the right draw. he was the 16 last year. lost in sv to Parco and then got hurt during his match with abas on the backside. from memory, that was pretty close before. i was watching because the winner got murin in the r12.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

I am really basing my thought on his progression on what gobblin said. Gobblin has connections with what is going on in the room. If gobblin says that CS is contending for the spot, I believe him. He does know what he is talking about. He did not say that CS would be the man, just a contender.

"I’m not so sure about that…. Cobe is going to make things very, very interesting at ‘49." - gobblin

I think Cobe is fun to watch, but if Murin is struggling with him in the room Iowa’s in trouble at 149 this year. Max has struggled with consistency throughout his tenure as a Hawk, but he has some big wins under his belt, he certainly isn’t giving up bonus points very often. He battled a National Finalist (Sasso) very tough for 3 periods till he made a mental error going for broke and got stuck with a couple seconds left. Max’s mental toughness and physicality take him a long way.

 

[js8793]

I think Cobe is fun to watch, but if Murin is struggling with him in the room Iowa’s in trouble at 149 this year. Max has struggled with consistency throughout his tenure as a Hawk, but he has some big wins under his belt, he certainly isn’t giving up bonus points very often. He battled a National Finalist (Sasso) very tough for 3 periods till he made a mental error going for broke and got stuck with a couple seconds left. Max’s mental toughness and physicality take him a long way.

Even if it's close in the room, I wouldn't read into that much with regards to Murin. Familiarity is a thing and as you pointed out, Murin is a grinder that doesn't score a ton anyway. There is a stark difference in the results against the field.

And with respect to the insiders on the board, I wouldn't read much into what they have to say on spot battles either. There isn't a coach or insider in the sport who doesn't "like their guys" (as the brands like to say). Every year we hear that "so and so is giving [insert much more accomplished wrestler] all he can handle and will be a major player this year" and every year we find out that's not true when the kids actually get out on the mat. See Teasdale v. Desanto a couple years ago.