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When Clemson is leading 35-0 at the half and the crowd boo's their team entering the locker room, I am sure that will be an impressive show for these recruits.
Robie will then explain to them, "Hey don't worry guys, only like 100 to 200 fans actually show up for our home meets, and most of them are parents, friends and relatives, so we shouldn't have to worry about this happening when you're here."
Robie will then explain to them, "Hey don't worry guys, only like 100 to 200 fans actually show up for our home meets, and most of them are parents, friends and relatives, so we shouldn't have to worry about this happening when you're here."
Is this cause for concern? It is impressive and on the surface dwarfs the Iowa-PSU visit. Is there something still missing or is it part of the plan?
6 of them are taking unofficial visits, so it's not costing them any visits. Brilliant idea to get that many on campus together and get them talking. I would think it would definitely up the odds of landing multiple top guys.
Perhaps it creates an excitement level that helps sway the top guys you do have $ for or opens the door for a guy to have an official visit or maybe getting them on campus lets them see that there is f*n in other places? Getting kids to IC does a great deal to dispel the 'all corn fields' and 'robot' mantra that is out there.
If they landed every recruit they brought in this would carry weight.
9.9 does not (or at least shoild not) keep them from recruiting more kids than they could realistically accommodate. Recruiting does not equal signing.
Entitled to your opinion, but this is not a good take.
If it were true, Brands and M* should all be immediately canned. Get top recruits on campus, expose them to your program and school, figure out the money later.
I hope the staff doesn't feel that way. If you think a kid is good enough to help the team, don't make his decision for him. Recruit him and let the chips fall where they may.
Penn State is an example that some kids are willing to not take as much scholarship money as a top recruit might normally take. Or they might be interested in ROTC which gives them a full ride and doesn't count against the 9.9.
Or they might have a 4.6 GPA and a 33 ACT and are a full academic guy. Or they may come from a well off family and will happily take .3 when they are worth a full.
I'm all in on bringing massive recruiting groups like this in
I think Hawkeye fans panic over recruiting I think the staff has it under control and are more strategic then the fans would like to see
You might be right. Our staff keeps things way more low key than others so it's hard not panic when all of these other schools are broadcasting all these big names.
It's hard not to panic with the 2018 class because it is extremely deep. The top 45 guys are all hammers and as of now we sit with one of them. Only 15 uncommitted out of that 45 with only 4 of them at need weights for us.
I don't think panic is the right word, concerned probably. So you are telling me that a PSU-Iowa night game the staff purposely tried to bring in a group of recruits that probably won't help Iowa climb Mount Nittney? Low key has had some recent results but excitement and getting kids to see that there is f*n to be had in more than one place isn't a bad thing. Now if the staff pulls a rabbit out of it's hat and lands some studs late than the plan worked. As of now the more the merrier on visits like PSU-Iowa night games.
So after those four commit to the hawks, it'll be all sunshine and roses again right?
15 kids are smart enough to visit the same school on a big college football weekend to see a premier football game on someone else's dime. When you bundle a football game with 15 nationally ranked wrestlers who have slim interest in either school, it's a recipe for disaster. All 15 should verbal yes, then decommit next season - let VT see how hard it is too accurately gauge interest when there is a party involved. This weekend needs to be more thought out - The Grapple on the Gridiron was a perfect opportunity because it involved a rivalry of 2 wrestling powerhouses, outside, and was great exposure for the sport. This will be a circus.
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Yes, insane because 15 nationally ranked wrestlers are going to Blacksburg to watch a football game with likely little to no interest in either schools' (purposeful) wrestling program.
When....and I say when because it's going to happen but when VT is still in the game at halftime and the crowd gives them a standing O as they enter the lockeroom, does that mean it will be an impressive show for the recruits?
It will be a good memory that half of them will look back on (while at PSU) and smile. Cool? Yes- that's why 15 of them are going! Enough to get them to go to VT? Nope. Only one Virginia kid is going - that'll be the one likely to sign.
If a kid (Hidlay) is still visiting NC State and Lehigh after watching Iowa almost upset #4 PSU, with field access, and at a need weight, and 70,000 fans waving at nearby kids with cancer doesn't convince you - then not sure this game with either. How much individual attention do you give a kid with 14 comparable athletes right next to him?
With KD gone and what ISU has pulled in so far...I'd say Robie might be an upgrade given Robie's age.
Never underestimate the advantage of location on the East coast.
Well Iowa needs 84 and 49. The only 4 of those left are Hardy/Sasso at 49 and Brooks/Hidlay at 84. It would be roses if we would get 2 of them. Preferably one at each weight. Unfortunately there are not top 133 guys left.So after those four commit to the hawks, it'll be all sunshine and roses again right?
as cool as the experience was, experiencing life at the next level with his brother is the above x 10.
Maybe not panic, but the following haven't been a good look:
-not close to winning the championship the last 7 years
-possibility for a pretty bummer of a year upcoming
-PSU with perhaps the greatest recruiting class ever (heard it on FRL or somewhere else)
-our own big recruiting night being pretty meh in terms of participants
-a lot of big recruits not putting Iowa in their top 5
I don't think it's bad to be skeptical. It'll be nice when Lee, Warner, Kem, Alex are all going at one time, but we still need more.
We could realistically wait another year on both. How one feels about 184 depends on how one feels about Wilcke, but we'll have both Lugo and Wilcke through 2020. I'd be perfectly happy landing one more top guy this year. Cassioppi, Brands, Hidlay/Sasso, Lugo, and Downey is a nice haul and a good chunk of NCAA points.
I agree, Lugo was a great get and honestly better for the near future than any recruit in 2018. From what I am hearing about Nelson Brands, he may end up very well being as good or better than any recruit in this class not named Gable Stevenson adding depth at 57/65. Cass is a stud and a huge get and fits perfectly into the timeline, instead of waiting around to see if we can land Schultz next year or win the Parris sweepstakes. Landing Hidlay would be great for adding another option at 174/184. I expect to see a class similar to this year next year as well. We just will not have a ton of needs next year either. The missing piece is 133. The Teasdale/Renteria/Mejia debacle hurt. Hopefully Murin can get down. If he can I am not sure we are missing a step there.
I'm concerned about Wilcke and 84. It's clear now he will be the guy at 97 this year. I worry about him getting back down after two years at 97. Obviously it would be his best interest to do so because after a RS year Warner will take the 97 spot from Wilcke. This is why I feel getting a Brooks or Hidlay is very important. I understand we could afford to wait a year on 84 and 49, but this 2018 class is packed with much better talent then the 2019 class for the weights we need.
Also the top 133 recruits for 2019 are already off the board.
How can you say they have no interest in VT? The new coach may have everyone excited. He is still in the honeymoon phase and he is enthusiastic and trying new things. Give the guy a break.
Also, in response to another post, I think most coaches are pretty low key about their recruits, not just Iowa. It is just that a lot of guys over here want to know everything as soon as it happens and they want to know what the coach is thinking and saying to the kids. I think TnT are making the best decisions they can. Take Brooks for example. You have to know their is a reason that they have not contacted him. They did not just forget about him or overlook him. I cannot imagine anyone outworking the Iowa staff.
They already have Mitch Moore committed and if you're getting those seniors to give you an official visit, then you're in the conversation. I would imagine they are going to get probably 3-4 from this list...that's pretty solid.
Lugo will be on next year's payroll, Brands, Cass and maybe Hidlay or somebody else. I'd take Lugo over Sasso because Lugo is going to contribute at a high level right away. Sasso is high risk, high reward IMO. We can get somebody next year. We swung and missed at 33 which is the only one I am truly worried about.
I'm starting to wonder about that....they've even said they don't like recruiting. Hard to work harder than everyone else when it's something you don't want to do.
I find this attitude frustrating. TNT are great coaches, so whatever they're doing is clearly correct.
At what point does poor recruiting become an indication that the coaches aren't recruiting well, rather than fans misjudging what's happening?
Um , he is not a new coach. He has been around a long, long time. Don't get me wrong - VT didn't do a bad thing at all, just don't see how you can cater to 15 studs at the same time...it seems more like a slumber party than anything else.
Hidlay stated that he would be taking all of his official visits before making a decision. Still has Purdue and Lehigh. I feel pretty good about our chances of landing him.
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