Well, I don't know, you say it's incredibly easy not to have kids, and you also implied earlier that it's incredibly easy to give birth (just squirt them out). Your wife think it was that easy?
Single Women Should Not Get Birth Certificates for Their Babies
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Actually, yes, I did. See post #93, where I first asked you, "Are you saying that your definition of a good dad would include someone that deliberately avoids financial accountability for this offspring?". (Pardon the typo in "this", that should be "his".) Perhaps you missed that post, but the more I read your replies, the more I think you are just trolling me as I cannot believe that anyone would be as OK with a father avoiding providing for his kids as it seems that you are. Post #124 was the second time I asked you that question, not the first.
I also addressed your point about "exceptions". You seem to be blurring the subject purposely...we are talking about someone who has the requisite capability to support his children, but chooses not t, not someone who cannot legitimately provide due to disability, etc. From post #93, "This man had the means to support the kids, he chose not to primarily because he preferred to spend his money on other things, cars, etc. Your other examples are not germane to this conversation. If someone can, but chooses not to, support their kids...that is a bad dad to me. If someone truly cannot support their kids because of disability, etc, that is a separate conversation."
So yes, to me, someone that fathers children and then chooses not to support them financially, when they are well able to do so...is a bad dad, no matter how many other good things he does with and on behalf of the kids. Twist it however you want to, but it's Personal Accountability 101.
Sounds like it's aimed at the black fatherless problem. It's approached upwards of 65%.
You seem to present yourself as very knowledgeable about BC's, child support, etc. The BC is not my main point, and has not been in any of my posts. Nevertheless, I'll ask you again...(see post #125 for the first time)...assuming that the state does not know who the father is AND it is not on the BC..."what process exists to allow the state to know who the father is?"
I "know it happens" because after 2 days of back and forth on this, I have looked into this subject further and found multiple articles/references where this subject is addressed. So it seems as though you have made another assumption, incorrectly again, about my reference points. I have only been anywhere near this phenomenon once, yes, but if you would like to educate yourself on the subject, something I think is overdue, try Googling the subject. Is it the biggest, or most common, problem in the world, no, no it isn't. Is it something that happens enough that other states have addressed it, etc? Yes, it is.
You seem to be agreeing that we shouldn't withhold birth certificates. Good.
What process exists? I already answered this, we have child support recovery agencies of which this is their purview.
Who said anyone, including me, would be "ok" with them shirking financial responsibility?
I said it isn't some fundamental pillar of "being a good father" which seemed to be your stance. They are not mutually exclusive. To you, "personal accountability" (only considering financially, apparently) trumps the actual act of being a "good father".
Don't worry, you aren't alone. Like many people things must be entirely black and white, I'm sure you are of the belief that someone commits an atrocious crime therefore everything they've ever done must be atrocious as well, they can't have been "good" at anything.
So by not registering the baby, we are punishing whom?
You really think listing the father is going to increase child support collection?
Yes. It will also disqualify non-traditional families that have an income that exceeds the thresholds for public assistance which would otherwise go undetected if she was allowed to just say, "Single mom, here. Pay me money."
A child's birth certificate is going to be the go to document for our government in determining a family's eligibility for benefits? Really?
Are you sure? I don't think it affects the "mother/child" aspect one iota. At least it shouldn't.
Has any of the "no proof your child was born for you!" posters answered my simple question of how much they think it realistically costs to raise each child?
If the father is secretly supporting the child so the mother can qualify for welfare, what would you call that?
I'll take "Things withholding a birth certificate won't solve" for 500 Alex.
