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Dickerson was recruited because of the struggles that Sapp had in his sophomore year...had Fran had a crystal ball to know how Sapp was going to play last year...he may not have offered Dickerson at all. It is not my intention to bash Dickerson...regardless of how he played in non-conference. I was disappointed he quit the team. Quit....before the season ended. I found that to say a lot about the person...me mine & me.

The strength & backbone of Iowa's program lies with Fran's high school recruiting, player development, 4 year players...it brings stability with at least some degree of experience...

None of us know the impact Dale Jones will have next year....its all speculation until the real show come fall. What we no longer have to speculate about is Fran's ability to spot talent ...he has proven that. Comparing Dickerson to Jones is meaningless...just because it didn't work out for one player doesn't mean it wont for another.

None of us know what other schools came calling after Jones JUCO season ended. You can believe the comments made by his JUCO coach or not. I don't think getting Jones was a reach by any means...

All I know is everyone of Iowa's 13 scholarship players has talent ...they all bring something to the table.. of the 6 newcomers..Uhl & Ellingson..its a matter of who can utilize their talents for the good of the team the quickest...to me this is what makes Iowa BB great to follow..
"I found that to say a lot about the person...me mine & me."

This statement is unfair imo. You say it isn't your intention to bash Dickerson, but you then follow it up with a bash of Dickerson. None of us know what went on during his recruiting process, or what went on behind the scenes in practices, etc. He also finished the school semester at Iowa, which says a lot about the person.

For whatever reason, it didn't work out. Both sides have moved on. No reason to bash a young kid who for whatever reason, didn't find a fit in Iowa. I wish him well wherever he ends up.
 
MSU has been at the Top 20 years and Wisconsin has been up at the top for 15 years. Those programs have 2 things in common: great coaches. Whether you like Izzo or Bo Ryan or not, that fact is indisputable. Both coaches have been successful despite changes in the game, graduations, assistant coaches leaving etc.

Wisconsin is the model Iowa should aim for because it doesn't rely on recruiting blue chips. Iowa might land a blue chip here and there but will never make a living off of it. Wisconsin has built a program where it doesn't matter who they land in recruiting because Bo coaches them up. The quality of player has steadily inched up year by year for Wisconsin however. That is what Iowa needs to establish. Success on the court and then steadily inch up in the caliber of player
What Izzo and Ryan have done is developed definite styles of play that work for them. Both play a physical style but use it differently. One difference in focus is that Izzo controls the boards while Ryan controls spacing for shooters. Both of their styles generally work for them but not for every player in their systems. For example, the long, lanky guys Fran likes on the wing, Tom recruits few of and Bo likes to bulk them up and play them inside. Fran may be able to get to a Hallmark style of play, but it will be different than these two guys. Fran's defining characteristic seems to be attacking the basket. White was a consummate 'driver' that fit that idea of attack. Fran's shooters try to open up lanes for attack. Of course, Fran would take blue chips in a heartbeat, but doesn't necessarily need them if he finds guys that can fill the roles of attacking and shooting, with length subbing for quickness and bulk when necessary.
 
There's very few "5s" with any low post game in this conference. Most of them are there just to set screens and rebound.

Yeah he might get pushed around a little but overall it will be harder for 5s to guard him than vice versa.

I can almost guarantee you will see JU playing spot minutes at the 5 next year.

Yes, JU can guard the 5. He has the length.

On the offensive side, it isn't going to matter. Because he plays all over the floor. He will school any true 5 out there, IF they are guarding him.
 
"I found that to say a lot about the person...me mine & me."

This statement is unfair imo. You say it isn't your intention to bash Dickerson, but you then follow it up with a bash of Dickerson. None of us know what went on during his recruiting process, or what went on behind the scenes in practices, etc. He also finished the school semester at Iowa, which says a lot about the person.

For whatever reason, it didn't work out. Both sides have moved on. No reason to bash a young kid who for whatever reason, didn't find a fit in Iowa. I wish him well wherever he ends up.

if stating I was disappointed when he quit the team (before the season was over) is bashing him ..so be it...I spoke to an Uncle of another player who sits 2 rows behind me in Carver..TD didn't "have to quit the team"...he chose to.

there are no sides...he quit the team...therefore quit on his teammates ... quit on himself....all of that were decisions "he" made. He could have decided to "help" the team in practice & transfer after the season (decided not to)...he could have (like Sapp) sucked it up...and "get" better (he chose not to)...

you bet he finished the semester...had he not he would of had a lot more difficult time transferring..it was to his best interest to go to class.

it didn't work out because TD didn't give it much of a chance....he "quit".

as a former high school coach ...ya "quitting" before the season is over bugs the crap out of me...but it seems (based on his history)...TD has moved on quite often...maybe its just his DNA. Hope TD figures it out but doesn't matter now...he quit.
 
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Dickerson was recruited because of the struggles that Sapp had in his sophomore year...had Fran had a crystal ball to know how Sapp was going to play last year...he may not have offered Dickerson at all. It is not my intention to bash Dickerson...regardless of how he played in non-conference. I was disappointed he quit the team. Quit....before the season ended. I found that to say a lot about the person...me mine & me.

The strength & backbone of Iowa's program lies with Fran's high school recruiting, player development, 4 year players...it brings stability with at least some degree of experience...

None of us know the impact Dale Jones will have next year....its all speculation until the real show come fall. What we no longer have to speculate about is Fran's ability to spot talent ...he has proven that. Comparing Dickerson to Jones is meaningless...just because it didn't work out for one player doesn't mean it wont for another.

None of us know what other schools came calling after Jones JUCO season ended. You can believe the comments made by his JUCO coach or not. I don't think getting Jones was a reach by any means...

All I know is everyone of Iowa's 13 scholarship players has talent ...they all bring something to the table.. of the 6 newcomers..Uhl & Ellingson..its a matter of who can utilize their talents for the good of the team the quickest...to me this is what makes Iowa BB great to follow..

Makes sense Bob. There are interviews from Dickerson himself where he explained that just before he decided to transfer he we went to Coach McCaffery with a concern and interest that he see more playing time. He wasn't the first. After his early season injury, when Jok felt he could play more, he went to McCaffery about playing more and the result was that he ended up starting, and that he met the expectations McCaffery laid out for him to get those minutes.

Later in the season Clemmons did the same thing. And as I recall McCaffery told Clemmons what he needed out of him, and the result was Clemmons saw more time.

These incidents were both documented in the media.

In Dickerson's case, the answers he got from Coach Fran didn't match up to Trey's personal goals (your, me, mine & me), and he decided to transfer. Key element here, Dickerson made a personal choice during the season to transfer. Now, I thought McCaffery handled it like a gentlemen, offered to help Trey locate a new school, said not one bad word about the kid. As to Trey, minus a few loose lips on twitter he did pretty well. He seemed a bit perturbed he was off the team, but I think a reasonable person would understand that when you announce you are going to leave it is no longer in the interest of the school to continue to use resources to train you, coach you, or even have you around practice.

And to be clear, after deciding to transfer, Trey has said repeatedly he has to think of himself first.

I wish the best for Trey as he grows as a person first, and a player second. But I believe that he had all the ability required to be a success at Iowa, that may have meant a bench player for his entire career, but dang it I recall Waymond king and others who ARE always going to be Hawkeyes in my mind, Trey isn't going to enjoy that honor in my memory. Would we have had it to do over again? I wish the scholarship, last year, could have gone to Baer or another walkon who happens to STILL be a Hawkeye today. Practice players matter.
 
Mark me down as someone who is more than a little concerned about our center position. Yes, their guys have to guard our guys but we have to guard them too. The BIG is littered with decent to good bigs and multiple big 4 and 5's who we wanted and didn't get. Teams are going to put a lot of pressure on Woody to stay out of foul trouble next season.
 
Makes sense Bob. There are interviews from Dickerson himself where he explained that just before he decided to transfer he we went to Coach McCaffery with a concern and interest that he see more playing time. He wasn't the first. After his early season injury, when Jok felt he could play more, he went to McCaffery about playing more and the result was that he ended up starting, and that he met the expectations McCaffery laid out for him to get those minutes.

Later in the season Clemmons did the same thing. And as I recall McCaffery told Clemmons what he needed out of him, and the result was Clemmons saw more time.

These incidents were both documented in the media.

In Dickerson's case, the answers he got from Coach Fran didn't match up to Trey's personal goals (your, me, mine & me), and he decided to transfer. Key element here, Dickerson made a personal choice during the season to transfer. Now, I thought McCaffery handled it like a gentlemen, offered to help Trey locate a new school, said not one bad word about the kid. As to Trey, minus a few loose lips on twitter he did pretty well. He seemed a bit perturbed he was off the team, but I think a reasonable person would understand that when you announce you are going to leave it is no longer in the interest of the school to continue to use resources to train you, coach you, or even have you around practice.

And to be clear, after deciding to transfer, Trey has said repeatedly he has to think of himself first.

I wish the best for Trey as he grows as a person first, and a player second. But I believe that he had all the ability required to be a success at Iowa, that may have meant a bench player for his entire career, but dang it I recall Waymond king and others who ARE always going to be Hawkeyes in my mind, Trey isn't going to enjoy that honor in my memory. Would we have had it to do over again? I wish the scholarship, last year, could have gone to Baer or another walkon who happens to STILL be a Hawkeye today. Practice players matter.

Ya I would agree Dickerson repeated more than once he had to think of himself first...sounds about right.
He gave up on himself & his team before the season was even over ... and yes no coach is going to keep someone around who doesn't get what he wants ..... and then says well then I'm just going to transfer.
 
if stating I was disappointed when he quit the team (before the season was over) is bashing him ..so be it...I spoke to an Uncle of another player who sits 2 rows behind me in Carver..TD didn't "have to quit the team"...he chose to.

there are no sides...he quit the team...therefore quit on his teammates ... quit on himself....all of that were decisions "he" made. He could have decided to "help" the team in practice & transfer after the season (decided not to)...he could have (like Sapp) sucked it up...and "get" better (he chose not to)...

you bet he finished the semester...had he not he would of had a lot more difficult time transferring..it was to his best interest to go to class.

it didn't work out because TD didn't give it much of a chance....he "quit".

as a former high school coach ...ya "quitting" before the season is over bugs the crap out of me...but it seems (based on his history)...TD has moved on quite often...maybe its just his DNA. Hope TD figures it out but doesn't matter now...he quit.
"I found that to say a lot about the person...me mine & me."

Ok, then be proud bashing players. I think it's bush league when we don't have the facts and don't know what went on behind the scenes. But, hey, you are free to trash a guy if you want.

You spoke to an uncle of another player? Who cares I even get you point here. It doesn't matter what he said. He's not sitting in the practices, you are sitting in the practices, so it's irrelevant. You don't know what Fran the other coaches said to him in private.
"He could have decided to "help" the team in practice & transfer after the season (decided not to)...he could have (like Sapp) sucked it up...and "get" better (he chose not to)..."

An assumption with no basis in fact. He might have made the team worse with his play. Oh, and they old suck it and 'and get better". Why didn't you add, "just be a man"? We don't know what this kid was suffering from or what his problem was. I'm using a hypothetical, what he went to Fran and said I have substance abuse problem, need help getting straighted out and the pressure of playing at a D1 power conference is more than I can take right now". WOuld you have responded, suck it up kid, get you butt back on the court'? Maybe his grades were greatly suffering and cared more about his academics than playing basketball. There are a millions reasonable reasons he's leaving and it doesn't mean he quit the team because he's a terrible person who didn't try hard enough.

And don't give me this suck it up crap. My brother played baseball for Iowa and the coach was a jerk. My brother never quit anything in his life, was mentally tougher than anyone I've known and the most competitive person I've ever seen. This coach was making my brother his human pinata and this went on every practice. His freshman year he made him practice for 2 hours after getting rolled on a double play, which caused him to get a deep bruise contusion. The coach would let him go to the hospital. The medical staff said they've never seen anything like it. His thigh had swelled to 32-34 inches, the same size as his stomach. My brother considered quitting baseball and walking on to play for Hayden. It came to a head when my brother was being pulled at a pinch hitter late in a game, and the coach made some derogatory comment, to which my responded, "Coach, get off my f'n ass. If you leave me along I can play and be a good player". He left him in to hit he got a game winning double, and started every game his final 3 years.

He didn't have to stay in class. If he dropped out it wouldn't have mattered to a JUCO. I'm not sure it would matter if he wanted to transfer to Dayton. He to redshirt next season and he get get his grades in next season. He could have went Juco next year and then gone to a D1 school. It took a lot of character for the kid to stay in class, do the work, especially with guys like you calling him a "quitter" and "selfish".

"as a former high school coach ...ya "quitting" before the season is over bugs the crap out of me...but it seems (based on his history)...TD has moved on quite often...maybe its just his DNA. Hope TD figures it out but doesn't matter now...he quit.

Once again you post a bullsh*t classless comment trashing a former Hawk. When a player who played for you quit you knew the situation. You don't have a freakin' clue went behind those doors, in the doorms, in the meetting rooms, any promises made during recruiting, etc. So, stop trashing the kid, it classless on your part, and it gives the program a bad name. If you decide to move on the fanbase with call you lazy, quitters, etc.

And if his history bothers you so much about TD moving, maybe you should lay off of Dickerson who is still a young man, and start firing your shots as Fran for recruiting such a kid. Why is the coach getting another free pass? Always blame and bash the kids, but Fran can do nor wrong.
 
I know this much...and anyone can spin it anyway they want....fact...he "quit"....ya he had his "talk" with Fran...then he quit....QUIT....

this you don't know what happen behind closed doors...works both ways. the player could have stuck with his teammates (which he had every opportunity to do so)...he chose not to...fact.

I'm not the "Iowa fan base"....I'm one individual who didn't run away when I didn't like Stevie Alford anymore...didn't run away when Lickliter damn near destroyed the program...I stuck with the players..went to damn near every home game and have done so for decades...my comments disliking a player quitting the team before season end has no more impact on recruits than the man in the moon. Get real....
 
I know this much...and anyone can spin it anyway they want....fact...he "quit"....ya he had his "talk" with Fran...then he quit....QUIT....

this you don't know what happen behind closed doors...works both ways. the player could have stuck with his teammates (which he had every opportunity to do so)...he chose not to...fact.

I'm not the "Iowa fan base"....I'm one individual who didn't run away when I didn't like Stevie Alford anymore...didn't run away when Lickliter damn near destroyed the program...I stuck with the players..went to damn near every home game and have done so for decades...my comments disliking a player quitting the team before season end has no more impact on recruits than the man in the moon. Get real....

Just some observations, but if people can separate the person from the act, and if they have a memory of what a poster has communicated in the past, I don't see how someone could come away feeling like you've trashed anything but the ACT of transferring.

As I recall, Bob, you were a strong supporter of Anthony Clemmons when he took responsibility for his sophomore season, and made a determination to come back and work hard to improve. Let's think about that, both Clemmons and Dickerson had a tough season as sophomores. If trashing a PLAYER was your intent it doesn't make sense that one comes away with your compliments and whatever other word I can think of to translate that you were "rooting" for him, yet the other somehow you are trashing?

No, the simple difference is the decision to transfer doesn't sit well, and you have expressed your complaint. I agree with you! It's a widespread issue these days, players transferring. I get concerned when playing time is such a factor that getting a good education has taken a backseat. I worry about the decisions these young men make. And I stand by comments I made from an earlier thread that McCaffery doesn't recruit guys that can't play for him. That doesn't mean a kid will be a star, but I can't think of anyone who has ever been Creaned on McCaffery's watch.

In Dickerson's case, another fact is that he decided, and announced it, that he was going to transfer before the season even ended. Important point, while the rest of the team was practicing, playing games, and working towards team goals, CLEARLY Dickerson took a step toward his own personal goals.

Pointing that out isn't trashing anyone, it's just one part of the season and seems fair game to discuss.

Last thought, for everyone of course, it seems a shame to me that I've felt compelled to spend time supporting another poster and his thoughts over allegations of player bashing. Especially when those allegations are as baseless as those of a certain entity who renames himself and returns after being booted OVER AND OVER AGAIN just to lay the hammer down on all of us terrible fans who in his mind pick on players. And I think the average reader on here will know who I am talking about.

To explain better. I just wasted time and effort not to discuss the Hawkeyes, but in vain and lame pursuit of supporting another poster, BECAUSE of an ongoing "bash the poster" fellow who hasn't one in ten posts that actually discuss the Hawkeyes. :mad: I'd have rather spent my time researching Iowa State, Michigan and Villanova and talking about the original subject matter of Small Ball!
 
Dan if I understand your reply...I never trashed the act of transferring...you will not find one time I said transferring was wrong...in fact if a player is unhappy or has a better opportunity elsewhere...by all means they have every right to do what is best for them...

my problem with Dickerson is simple.....he quit on his team way before the B1G season was close to being over....had he completed the year & the commitment he made when he join the team...and then transferred...I would not have said anything.

Instead he decided to stay home while his former teammates were playing towards a NCAA berth.

oh its possible that when Dickerson informed Fran he was leaving at the end of the year after he was unable to make the trip to Nebraska (sick I believe what was reported)....that Fran said something to the affect... well if you no longer have the desire to help your team until the end of the year (regardless to what degree that would be)..maybe it would be best to leave the team now... instead of waiting. If that was indeed the case Dickerson should not have been surprised...Sorry Trey the team comes first.

.. maybe Fran didn't want to deal with a distraction of a player in practice or on the bench who already made it known he was transferring...who knows...all I can say is I was told at a game in Carver that Dickerson didn't have to quit the team...I took it ...it was his decision.

yes I have a lot of respect for Anthony Clemmons...had he transferred after the season on 2014.. I would have fully understood.

had Dickerson done the same after the season...I would have also understood...he didn't...he quit.
 
I rember he tweeted before the nebraska game about being sick and he tweeted like a week later that "he got kicked off the team" listening to dochterman and morehouse podcast I think they said something about a disconnect with the coaches so something must have happened. Not sure exactly what though
 
Dan if I understand your reply...I never trashed the act of transferring...you will not find one time I said transferring was wrong...in fact if a player is unhappy or has a better opportunity elsewhere...by all means they have every right to do what is best for them...

my problem with Dickerson is simple.....he quit on his team way before the B1G season was close to being over....had he completed the year & the commitment he made when he join the team...and then transferred...I would not have said anything.

Instead he decided to stay home while his former teammates were playing towards a NCAA berth.

oh its possible that when Dickerson informed Fran he was leaving at the end of the year after he was unable to make the trip to Nebraska (sick I believe what was reported)....that Fran said something to the affect... well if you no longer have the desire to help your team until the end of the year (regardless to what degree that would be)..maybe it would be best to leave the team now... instead of waiting. If that was indeed the case Dickerson should not have been surprised...Sorry Trey the team comes first.

.. maybe Fran didn't want to deal with a distraction of a player in practice or on the bench who already made it known he was transferring...who knows...all I can say is I was told at a game in Carver that Dickerson didn't have to quit the team...I took it ...it was his decision.

yes I have a lot of respect for Anthony Clemmons...had he transferred after the season on 2014.. I would have fully understood.

had Dickerson done the same after the season...I would have also understood...he didn't...he quit.

Ok, I understand. I guess I'm even "harder" on the actions of players when it comes to transferring. When it is a matter of playing time, when they are receiving a scholarship? The way I look at it is students who stick it out at the school they are at are in better position to get a good education. And if one adds it up, thirteen scholarships? There are going to be players not seeing the court during games.

The important thing I was getting at still applies. An that is being a critic of a players ACTIONS does not merit the accusation that one is bashing anybody.
 
Ok, I understand. I guess I'm even "harder" on the actions of players when it comes to transferring. When it is a matter of playing time, when they are receiving a scholarship? The way I look at it is students who stick it out at the school they are at are in better position to get a good education. And if one adds it up, thirteen scholarships? There are going to be players not seeing the court during games.

The important thing I was getting at still applies. An that is being a critic of a players ACTIONS does not merit the accusation that one is bashing anybody.

one thing is for sure....incoming college players do not have as much patience as several years ago....some seem to want immediate minutes...without putting in the work to earn it.
 
Getting back to "small ball", one must consider that we were one of the lengthiest teams in the NCAA last year. Anything is going to be smaller. Sure Purdue will be huge, but how coordinated are Hamonds and Haas? Certainly not more than Dwight Howard, which is why small ball can work as a strategy when you're not as big (as it did for GS v Houston). Big guys really have to work at being dominant, and if you can outwork them, smaller more skilled/coordinated line-ups can sometimes prevail.
 
Getting back to "small ball", one must consider that we were one of the lengthiest teams in the NCAA last year. Anything is going to be smaller. Sure Purdue will be huge, but how coordinated are Hamonds and Haas? Certainly not more than Dwight Howard, which is why small ball can work as a strategy when you're not as big (as it did for GS v Houston). Big guys really have to work at being dominant, and if you can outwork them, smaller more skilled/coordinated line-ups can sometimes prevail.
And it is not as if we will be starting 4- 6 footers. Our wings have good length 6'5" to 6'8". Tall wings make post entry passes very difficult.
 
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just what is small ball? I see these for starters.
7'1 Woody
6'9 Uthoff
6'8 Uhl {maybe}
6'6 Jok
6'2 Gesell

maybe at times we will see
6'9 Uthoff
6'8 Jones
6'8 Uhl or 6'7 Wagner
6'6 Jok
6'2 Clemmons/Gesell
does not look small to me.
 
Just some observations, but if people can separate the person from the act, and if they have a memory of what a poster has communicated in the past, I don't see how someone could come away feeling like you've trashed anything but the ACT of transferring.

As I recall, Bob, you were a strong supporter of Anthony Clemmons when he took responsibility for his sophomore season, and made a determination to come back and work hard to improve. Let's think about that, both Clemmons and Dickerson had a tough season as sophomores. If trashing a PLAYER was your intent it doesn't make sense that one comes away with your compliments and whatever other word I can think of to translate that you were "rooting" for him, yet the other somehow you are trashing?

No, the simple difference is the decision to transfer doesn't sit well, and you have expressed your complaint. I agree with you! It's a widespread issue these days, players transferring. I get concerned when playing time is such a factor that getting a good education has taken a backseat. I worry about the decisions these young men make. And I stand by comments I made from an earlier thread that McCaffery doesn't recruit guys that can't play for him. That doesn't mean a kid will be a star, but I can't think of anyone who has ever been Creaned on McCaffery's watch.

In Dickerson's case, another fact is that he decided, and announced it, that he was going to transfer before the season even ended. Important point, while the rest of the team was practicing, playing games, and working towards team goals, CLEARLY Dickerson took a step toward his own personal goals.

Pointing that out isn't trashing anyone, it's just one part of the season and seems fair game to discuss.

Last thought, for everyone of course, it seems a shame to me that I've felt compelled to spend time supporting another poster and his thoughts over allegations of player bashing. Especially when those allegations are as baseless as those of a certain entity who renames himself and returns after being booted OVER AND OVER AGAIN just to lay the hammer down on all of us terrible fans who in his mind pick on players. And I think the average reader on here will know who I am talking about.

To explain better. I just wasted time and effort not to discuss the Hawkeyes, but in vain and lame pursuit of supporting another poster, BECAUSE of an ongoing "bash the poster" fellow who hasn't one in ten posts that actually discuss the Hawkeyes. :mad: I'd have rather spent my time researching Iowa State, Michigan and Villanova and talking about the original subject matter of Small Ball!
So, you and bob decide to dump on a guy, having no idea what all the facts are. And yes, it is trashing when you are supposing motives when you don't know the facts. You trashed 3 former Iowa players in an effort to boost your premise about Fran. Got it. Real classy. Why not just admit, you got a little carried away in defending Fran, and it's not your intention to disparage any former Hawkeye and let it go at that. There's no need to knock down former players to boost the coach. It's likely he would be embarrassed by the comments you and Bob are making about Dickerson and other former players.

LOL. If you are talking about me changing names, and returning, and being booted over and over again, you have you facts wrong, again. I've never used another screen name.

"And I stand by comments I made from an earlier thread that McCaffery doesn't recruit guys that can't play for him."

You can stand by it all you want but it's an idiotic statement. Recruiting isn't an exact science, just like drafting isn't. There are going to be some guys who aren't as good as you thought. To think otherwise, is naive and unfair. EVERY coach has these players they recruit. They dodn't recruit guys they think can play for them but once they see them play against other college players, they sometimes realize the kid isn't good enough to play at this level. This isn't a knock on Fran, every coach has their own examples. Good grief, I bet a coach would laugh at the naivete of your statement above. The real beauty is to prove it you have to use circular reasoning, so that if the player doesn't pan out it's the player's fault, he didn't try hard enough or work hard enough. So, again, you happily throw the player under the bus in an effort to pump up Fran. Nice reasoning, DanL.

As for wasting your time, you were the guy who went off on "But WHite was a 2 star" nonsense that I never brought up. I didn't bring up anything about stars or rankings, but you still have a burr on your side from previous discussions because I've commented before that your claim rankings don't matter is ridiculous.

My initial posts were innocent. All I was saying is we should be careful not to put to great of expectations on these kids, by pumping them up too much. It's not fair to the player. You were the worst culprit on here overhyping Gesell and Woodbury.. Ironically the two most maligned players, by the fanbase, are MG and Woodbury. Hmm, I wonder why that is? Stand up and take bow, Dan, you've earned it.
 
So, you and bob decide to dump on a guy, having no idea what all the facts are. And yes, it is trashing when you are supposing motives when you don't know the facts. You trashed 3 former Iowa players in an effort to boost your premise about Fran. Got it. Real classy. Why not just admit, you got a little carried away in defending Fran, and it's not your intention to disparage any former Hawkeye and let it go at that. There's no need to knock down former players to boost the coach. It's likely he would be embarrassed by the comments you and Bob are making about Dickerson and other former players.

LOL. If you are talking about me changing names, and returning, and being booted over and over again, you have you facts wrong, again. I've never used another screen name.

"And I stand by comments I made from an earlier thread that McCaffery doesn't recruit guys that can't play for him."

You can stand by it all you want but it's an idiotic statement. Recruiting isn't an exact science, just like drafting isn't. There are going to be some guys who aren't as good as you thought. To think otherwise, is naive and unfair. EVERY coach has these players they recruit. They dodn't recruit guys they think can play for them but once they see them play against other college players, they sometimes realize the kid isn't good enough to play at this level. This isn't a knock on Fran, every coach has their own examples. Good grief, I bet a coach would laugh at the naivete of your statement above. The real beauty is to prove it you have to use circular reasoning, so that if the player doesn't pan out it's the player's fault, he didn't try hard enough or work hard enough. So, again, you happily throw the player under the bus in an effort to pump up Fran. Nice reasoning, DanL.

As for wasting your time, you were the guy who went off on "But WHite was a 2 star" nonsense that I never brought up. I didn't bring up anything about stars or rankings, but you still have a burr on your side from previous discussions because I've commented before that your claim rankings don't matter is ridiculous.

My initial posts were innocent. All I was saying is we should be careful not to put to great of expectations on these kids, by pumping them up too much. It's not fair to the player. You were the worst culprit on here overhyping Gesell and Woodbury.. Ironically the two most maligned players, by the fanbase, are MG and Woodbury. Hmm, I wonder why that is? Stand up and take bow, Dan, you've earned it.

Look at the date I joined this forum. I could hardly have hyped them up when I wasn't even on the board. Readers had seen each play an entire season before I'd posted a single thing on this board. And besides that, regarding the new Hawkeyes, I believe that I was very clear that my opinions were only just that. Do you seriously think I have some inappropriate influence on the opinions of others?!?!

I prefer you put me on ignore rather than repeatedly responding to my posts with inaccurate accusations and comments like, "idiotic statement".
 
Look at the date I joined this forum. I could hardly have hyped them up when I wasn't even on the board. Readers had seen each play an entire season before I'd posted a single thing on this board. And besides that, regarding the new Hawkeyes, I believe that I was very clear that my opinions were only just that. Do you seriously think I have some inappropriate influence on the opinions of others?!?!

I prefer you put me on ignore rather than repeatedly responding to my posts with inaccurate accusations and comments like, "idiotic statement".


Look at the date I joined this forum. I could hardly have hyped them up when I wasn't even on the board. Readers had seen each play an entire season before I'd posted a single thing on this board. And besides that, regarding the new Hawkeyes, I believe that I was very clear that my opinions were only just that. Do you seriously think I have some inappropriate influence on the opinions of others?!?!

I prefer you put me on ignore rather than repeatedly responding to my posts with inaccurate accusations and comments like, "idiotic statement".

ya Dan you overhyped Gesell & Woody when you were not even on the board....now that's funny :eek:..this guy is delusional...gets sensitive about overhyping newcomers...and is quick to defend a player who couldn't finish the season out...that is indeed funnier than shit.

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ya Dan you overhyped Gesell & Woody when you were not even on the board....now that's funny :eek:..this guy is delusional...gets sensitive about overhyping newcomers...and is quick to defend a player who couldn't finish the season out...that is indeed funnier than shit.

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The truth is this guy hates when anyone disagrees with him, hates more when many people disagree with him, and will resort to childlike, made up allegations and barely literate word play to attack those he deems as beneath him. He is not above lying or distorting the truth to the extent required to trash another poster. He and I have had stupid, chest thumping matches in the past, none of which were instigated by me but yes, I do have limits to my patience and at times I've become unnerved enough to argue back.

Most recently, I've reported his posts three times, each time his post has been removed. I would have thought that gave him a clue that he was over the top, but he just keeps coming back with more attacks.

One has to wonder what started it this time? That I have some positive opinions about the upcoming new players, or that people were enjoying the thread?

Personally, I am to the point where I hope the day comes where I don't open this board and see the moniker, "PhantomFlyer" responding to one of my posts. I know, like another poster he could be banned twenty times and still return, but at least that name could be laid to rest.

And, I apologize to those who would rather this board be about Hawkeye Basketball. Believe me, I agree with you. I hope you will be patient with me as I am trying to understand my best option. Putting someone on ignore is great if you are trying to not have to read their thoughts. But I found once already that when those thoughts are attacks at you, ignoring them just gives the stalker free reign to say anything they want. The ignore feature then becomes a gag while the instigator still throws stones.

The idea, simple as it sounds, is a poster like that shouldn't even be here. (Now come his attempts at a witty retort and denial of the facts. Along with whatever else Phantom can think of to try to provoke an argument. To you, Phantom...GET OFF MY BACK.)
 
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The truth is this guy hates when anyone disagrees with him, hates more when many people disagree with him, and will resort to childlike, made up allegations and barely literate word play to attack those he deems as beneath him. He is not above lying or distorting the truth to the extent required to trash another poster. He and I have had stupid, chest thumping matches in the past, none of which were instigated by me but yes, I do have limits to my patience and at times I've become unnerved enough to argue back.

Most recently, I've reported his posts three times, each time his post has been removed. I would have thought that gave him a clue that he was over the top, but he just keeps coming back with more attacks.

One has to wonder what started it this time? That I have some positive opinions about the upcoming new players, or that people were enjoying the thread?

Personally, I am to the point where I hope the day comes where I don't open this board and see the moniker, "PhantomFlyer" responding to one of my posts. I know, like another poster he could be banned twenty times and still return, but at least that name could be laid to rest.

And, I apologize to those who would rather this board be about Hawkeye Basketball. Believe me, I agree with you. I hope you will be patient with me as I am trying to understand my best option. Putting someone on ignore is great if you are trying to not have to read their thoughts. But I found once already that when those thoughts are attacks at you, ignoring them just gives the stalker free reign to say anything they want. The ignore feature then becomes a gag while the instigator still throws stones.

The idea, simple as it sounds, is a poster like that shouldn't even be here. (Now come his attempts at a witty retort and denial of the facts. Along with whatever else Phantom can think of to try to provoke an argument. To you, Phantom...GET OFF MY BACK.)
"The truth is this guy hates when anyone disagrees with him, hates more when many people disagree with him, and will resort to childlike, made up allegations and barely literate word play to attack those he deems as beneath him. He is not above lying or distorting the truth to the extent required to trash another poster. He and I have had stupid, chest thumping matches in the past, none of which were instigated by me but yes, I do have limits to my patience and at times I've become unnerved enough to argue back."

LOL. You're the who gets upset when someone disagrees with you, like you did about the importance of rankings. You then made up allegations in this thread, along with trashing 3 former Hawks, none of whom you know the whole story as to what went on behind the scenes. But that hasn't stopped you from making statements of fact of which are nothing but opinions from you. Every post of yours is a 2000 whinefest, hardly literate, and it could be best summed up, "if I could only spend time talking basketball instead of addressing this issue".

"One has to wonder what started it this time? That I have some positive opinions about the upcoming new players, or that people were enjoying the thread?"

This is amazing. My first post in this thread talked about market inefficiency and trying to get a player like Stephen Curry (who was lightly recruited). Then bob posts ""I found that to say a lot about the person...me mine & me.", talking about Dickerson' transfer. I found this to be patently unfair since you don't know what goes on behinds the scenes. Having a brother who played baseball at Iowa, and knowing other athletes who've played, there have been some crappy coaches at Iowa and players treated crappily. My brother damaged his leg so badly because a coach made him play 2 hours on it for medical attention, that is swelled to 32 inches. The medical staff wanted to document into their records because they had never seen anything like it. The doctor told my brother that he would support my brother if he or my dad wanted to sue the school/AD/Coach. My dad was man who didn't sue but my brother had ever right to quit the team after this. He didn't owe the school and that jerk coach anything, and his teammates would have supported him because they also hated the coach . My brother was at the point where he was going to quit and he finally reached a boiling point and told the coach to get off his f'n ass. He get a double, which one the game for them and the coach eased up on him.

My brother's roommate was a mess psychologically because of the stuff the coached pulled on him. He finally quit and my brother was glad. He was worried he was suicidal, and he was going home to get the support he needed.

How about when Knight choked one of his players? What a loser if he quits during the season. I

My point is don't use generalized points or make statements of fact when you don't know all the details. Would people have believed the PSU football coach was playing with little boys. If you saw that would you say, "It's all me, mine and me" if he transfer.

Oh, and although my examples below describe horrible behavior I'm not saying Fran is violating similar behavior. However, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. If we only saw games and press conferences, you'd think Coach K is a great guy who rarely loses his cool. You wouldn't realize his a loon in practice who swears like a sailor.

You instigated the argument. My comments were directed to bob, and you come riding in on your white horse firing an all out artillery attack.

You've had a history of getting upset with people who disagree with you with a barrage of profanity. You've even admitted you've had to step away for a period of time here and there because your temper was out of control. This has been your own admission.

In the other thread talking about incoming recruits, reread what my original comments were. It wasn't a criticism of you or anything you wrote. I said, I'm excited about the incoming class and cautiously optimistic, I'm going to reserved judgement on them until I see them play. Then I made the comment about fans should just be cautious about not overhyping these guys and then said there is a DanL on every rival's team board. That wasn't a knock, you'll admit there is someone on every team board who does what you did and is very optimistic in their review. Again, this wasn't a knock, and you seemed to take it in that spirit as you said bring them on and you'll debate them. It was a funny post, I enjoyed.

Then I don't know what the hell happened to you but you went into full snark posting stuff about White and Marble being 2 star players and on and on about stuff that I never said in this said, and had nothing of value to this thread. I realized why you were saying it because every post I make you go off on the "rankings" tangent. Wow, it was out of blue. While others didn't understand the message you were conveying, I did, because I understood the context. Before that we were playing nice, but if you want to throw the gloves off, I'm more than willing to go along with you.

"The idea, simple as it sounds, is a poster like that shouldn't even be here. (Now come his attempts at a witty retort and denial of the facts. Along with whatever else Phantom can think of to try to provoke an argument. To you, Phantom...GET OFF MY BACK.)

The censor cop. Disagree with Dan on his opinion of things, and you aren't a true Hawkeye fan, and should be banned. Sad. It's unacceptable to disagree with a fan on a message board, and they shouldn't be here, but if you trash former players, throw them under the bus who don't pan out, well, that's be a superfan and should get you some type of award.

DanL, I'm not on your back. You thought ME out. Call it obsession, martyr complex, whatever, but reread through the thread. Bob make a comment about Dickerson, I disagree with it and explain why it's an unfair criticism. For some reason you felt the need to right up in your white horse to save bob saying that these players aren't just bums for transferring in season, they are for transferring period.
 
Phantom is more into bashing players during the season and saying they'll be lucky to win 7 conference games then after the season he proclaims a player on that same team as top 5 all time. I like your style Phantom, way to stick up for the players.
 
Phantom is more into bashing players during the season and saying they'll be lucky to win 7 conference games then after the season he proclaims a player on that same team as top 5 all time. I like your style Phantom, way to stick up for the players.
butter, I was wondering when you were going to come riding to the rescue. Nice job. I didn't know critiquing a player's performance was bashing, but you teach us something interesting every day. You aren't ever going to let it go about the 7 win prediction, are you? For some reason that prediction really upset you, like I kicked your dog or something. Let it go. I have a feeling you lost many a nights sleep worrying about that prediction. Take a deep breath, exhale slowly, and turn the page.
 
butter, I was wondering when you were going to come riding to the rescue. Nice job. I didn't know critiquing a player's performance was bashing, but you teach us something interesting every day. You aren't ever going to let it go about the 7 win prediction, are you? For some reason that prediction really upset you, like I kicked your dog or something. Let it go. I have a feeling you lost many a nights sleep worrying about that prediction. Take a deep breath, exhale slowly, and turn the page.
You my friend are exhausting
 
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