So I'm watching Chris Kyle videos on youtube....

[cruhawk]

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by cruhawk:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
in an effort to understand why we idolize a killer as an American hero. And I will admit, that I just can't find a reason to want to support this man. What I see is someone who killed LOTS of people(usually not seen as a positive), and his adventures being used to help further the gains and needs of rich men up in DC, who simply want to exploit death and mayhem in order to obtain more things. Things as in gas, oil, land, geographic positioning, and most of all power.

What say you all?

Make sure your passport to our country is up-to-date. You could apply for US citizenship...then you wouldn't need one.

Because I'm speaking about the wrongful death of thousands of Americans?!! I'm here trying to make sense of the senseless and all you can say is get your passport ready? You're a weak brain-washed moron who has been led to believe that the killing, bombing, destroying, invading, is protecting your people?

You f'n idiot, how can you even say this with a straight face? Don't your understand that this is all just a bunch of lies? How stupid are you and others to believe that we are on the side of good? Absolutely insane.

Oh, there's plenty of evidence of brainwashing in this thread, but's not who you think. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

GFY, which has been used at times in this thread, is about all one needs to say in response to you & your ilk.

 

[TNHAWK79]

Greatest sniper in American history who protected the troops on the ground and provided that bed of freedom that you sleep in... He killed more bad guys them anyone else Yet you want to question the manner in which it was provided? You're a fukin moron!! I bet you try to find the negative in eveything..
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[Hawk in SEC Country]

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by strummingram:
The sad thing about people like IMCC, is they fully believe that they are "defending" the USA. They think they are protecting our freedoms and every other jingoistic line that enables them to be pawns for wealthy business interest that will put them and their fellow military personnel in harm's way over and over to attain and acquire, by force, the resources, power and influence that THEY want for themselves. It's pathetic.

I don't hate guys like him, I just don't understand how they can be so naive about something they are directly attached to. What makes them think, they have any right to be over in anothers country, and telling them what to do? Just because they think they are defending freedoms? By taking away someone elses?

I don't get it, and it's a problem.

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This post was edited on 4/5 1:19 AM by Hawk in SEC Country

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by IMCC965:

"Good for you, and yet you still want more war for others as well? Also my current position makes in impossible to speak specifics. At this current time I have 12 years in, and I'm currently working at Scott AFB, for Transcom. 5 deployments overseas.
1 deployment I can mention is when I was out of Bahrain, working the oil field patrols.

Now that we've gotten past the formalities, please explain why you support our wars over thee, and blindly follow the tyrants that send people over thereto die?"

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I'm going to take you for your word on this, however, if you feel so strongly about your position, why on earth do you stay in the military? How do you live with yourself wearing the uniform and feeling this way on a daily basis?

Do you have too much time in to give it up? Are you too old to give it up?

Specifics.

Actually I am very close to going home. I'm young enough to be alright on the outside. My skills translate well to the outside world. I don't hate the military IMCC, and I apologize for my harsh words earlier. I hate the men who make the decisions that get our people killed. I get tired of seeing our men and women used, so that greedy men can line their pockets.

Those are my real targets when speaking of these things. The reason why I don't like the Kyle situation, is because it's not a glory story. I hated how they paraded him around in the media, how they used him as a propaganda tool, and then irony came in and showed the reality of the situation.

I've educated myself quite extensively on how our dealings over in the Middle East have went, and I know wihtout a doubt, that the reasons we are over there are reasons we have created for ourselves. Quite frankly, what I want is for this country to become the country many people have wanted it to be.

 

[IMCC965]

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by IMCC965:

"Good for you, and yet you still want more war for others as well? Also my current position makes in impossible to speak specifics. At this current time I have 12 years in, and I'm currently working at Scott AFB, for Transcom. 5 deployments overseas.
1 deployment I can mention is when I was out of Bahrain, working the oil field patrols.

Now that we've gotten past the formalities, please explain why you support our wars over thee, and blindly follow the tyrants that send people over thereto die?"

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I'm going to take you for your word on this, however, if you feel so strongly about your position, why on earth do you stay in the military? How do you live with yourself wearing the uniform and feeling this way on a daily basis?

Do you have too much time in to give it up? Are you too old to give it up?

Specifics.

Actually I am very close to going home. I'm young enough to be alright on the outside. My skills translate well to the outside world. I don't hate the military IMCC, and I apologize for my harsh words earlier. I hate the men who make the decisions that get our people killed. I get tired of seeing our men and women used, so that greedy men can line their pockets.

Those are my real targets when speaking of these things. The reason why I don't like the Kyle situation, is because it's not a glory story. I hated how they paraded him around in the media, how they used him as a propaganda tool, and then irony came in and showed the reality of the situation.

I've educated myself quite extensively on how our dealings over in the Middle East have went, and I know wihtout a doubt, that the reasons we are over there are reasons we have created for ourselves. Quite frankly, what I want is for this country to become the country many people have wanted it to be.

Fair enough. No worries and thank you from one RETIRED service member to one still serving.

 

[strummingram]

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by strummingram:
The sad thing about people like IMCC, is they fully believe that they are "defending" the USA. They think they are protecting our freedoms and every other jingoistic line that enables them to be pawns for wealthy business interest that will put them and their fellow military personnel in harm's way over and over to attain and acquire, by force, the resources, power and influence that THEY want for themselves. It's pathetic.

Yeeaaaaaahhhhh. I never remember filling up barrels of oil and loading them onto a ship or aircraft for exploitation.

Fact is, you probably got turned down by the Army for enlistment because you suck and now you're pissed off.

It's OK. Not everyone makes it.

Yeah, you got me!

I was begging them to let me be indoctrinated and have my better judgment beaten and yelled out of me. I was just dying to be allowed into that precious fold. If there'd been a draft, I would have chosen jail over that bullshit. No way are they going to force me to kill people that have never harmed me.

 

[IMCC965]

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by strummingram:
The sad thing about people like IMCC, is they fully believe that they are "defending" the USA. They think they are protecting our freedoms and every other jingoistic line that enables them to be pawns for wealthy business interest that will put them and their fellow military personnel in harm's way over and over to attain and acquire, by force, the resources, power and influence that THEY want for themselves. It's pathetic.

Yeeaaaaaahhhhh. I never remember filling up barrels of oil and loading them onto a ship or aircraft for exploitation.

Fact is, you probably got turned down by the Army for enlistment because you suck and now you're pissed off.

It's OK. Not everyone makes it.

Yeah, you got me!

I was begging them to let me be indoctrinated and have my better judgment beaten and yelled out of me. I was just dying to be allowed into that precious fold. If there'd been a draft, I would have chosen jail over that bullshit. No way are they going to force me to kill people that have never harmed me.

Your ignorance is impressive. You sound pretty dumb right now, FYI.

 

[strummingram]

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by strummingram:
The sad thing about people like IMCC, is they fully believe that they are "defending" the USA. They think they are protecting our freedoms and every other jingoistic line that enables them to be pawns for wealthy business interest that will put them and their fellow military personnel in harm's way over and over to attain and acquire, by force, the resources, power and influence that THEY want for themselves. It's pathetic.

Yeeaaaaaahhhhh. I never remember filling up barrels of oil and loading them onto a ship or aircraft for exploitation.

Fact is, you probably got turned down by the Army for enlistment because you suck and now you're pissed off.

It's OK. Not everyone makes it.

Yeah, you got me!

I was begging them to let me be indoctrinated and have my better judgment beaten and yelled out of me. I was just dying to be allowed into that precious fold. If there'd been a draft, I would have chosen jail over that bullshit. No way are they going to force me to kill people that have never harmed me.

Your ignorance is impressive. You sound pretty dumb right now, FYI.

Yeah, that's ideal. If it sounds dumb to you, then I feel even more validated and confident in my words and perspective. You are, without a remote doubt, the most partisan, crystallized, jingoistic, political zombie on this entire board. People that are in power dream of a world of people like you! They can manipulate you to hate and kill people that you don't even know! And, they will take more and more from you and you'll feel good about it. And, you call me ignorant? You're like the looking glass.

 

[IMCC965]

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by IMCC965:

Originally posted by strummingram:
The sad thing about people like IMCC, is they fully believe that they are "defending" the USA. They think they are protecting our freedoms and every other jingoistic line that enables them to be pawns for wealthy business interest that will put them and their fellow military personnel in harm's way over and over to attain and acquire, by force, the resources, power and influence that THEY want for themselves. It's pathetic.

Yeeaaaaaahhhhh. I never remember filling up barrels of oil and loading them onto a ship or aircraft for exploitation.

Fact is, you probably got turned down by the Army for enlistment because you suck and now you're pissed off.

It's OK. Not everyone makes it.

Yeah, you got me!

I was begging them to let me be indoctrinated and have my better judgment beaten and yelled out of me. I was just dying to be allowed into that precious fold. If there'd been a draft, I would have chosen jail over that bullshit. No way are they going to force me to kill people that have never harmed me.

Your ignorance is impressive. You sound pretty dumb right now, FYI.

Yeah, that's ideal. If it sounds dumb to you, then I feel even more validated and confident in my words and perspective. You are, without a remote doubt, the most partisan, crystallized, jingoistic, political zombie on this entire board. People that are in power dream of a world of people like you! They can manipulate you to hate and kill people that you don't even know! And, they will take more and more from you and you'll feel good about it. And, you call me ignorant? You're like the looking glass.

I'll have to admit, I've taken out about 85 children and at LEAST 200 women while deployed. It was easy, all I had to do was lead them a little less than the men. And let's not even talk about how many of them I've taken out. WOW!!!

I did so much that I had to have replacement rifles given to me because I melted the barrels of the ones that I had. Chris Kyle had NOTHING on me.

I'll feel pretty good about myself. I sleep well at night.

 

[mick82]

Nothing good comes from Muslims chris Kyle was doing his job you must be a dillusional democrat
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[HallofFame]

This thread give me a big case of the sads. So much hatred of our fellow countrymen. When did hating our service men become so cool? While I don't agree with a lot of our foreign interactions there is just some serious hatred going on in here. If you replaced what is being said about our servicemen with say the word black or mexican many of you would be down right racist. So hating American Military is ok hating criminals who rape and kill everyday is racist. Got it.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by HallofFame:
This thread give me a big case of the sads. So much hatred of our fellow countrymen. When did hating our service men become so cool? While I don't agree with a lot of our foreign interactions there is just some serious hatred going on in here. If you replaced what is being said about our servicemen with say the word black or mexican many of you would be down right racist. So hating American Military is ok hating criminals who rape and kill everyday is racist. Got it.

No, that is not at all what is going on. Perhaps, you are one of the brainwashed and indoctrinated?

 

[strummingram]

Originally posted by HallofFame:
This thread give me a big case of the sads. So much hatred of our fellow countrymen. When did hating our service men become so cool? While I don't agree with a lot of our foreign interactions there is just some serious hatred going on in here. If you replaced what is being said about our servicemen with say the word black or mexican many of you would be down right racist. So hating American Military is ok hating criminals who rape and kill everyday is racist. Got it.

I'm certainly not "hating servicemen!" I hate that they are exploited and allow themselves to be exploited. And, even worse, the American People are duped into going along with it even more! It's a travesty how those who serve in the US Military are sent into one country after another, to kill innocent people and those in charge get to plunder their natural resources. It's what the people who have run this country do best. They are pimps and they whore-out the military over and over. If soldiers are going to just take orders, then I lack respect for that when it goes against your better judgment. Our government is war-drunk. This country has now been at constant war for 13-14 years in a row! It's not a hatred toward the military personnel themselves. They are just pawns. But, they are culpable in that they have chosen to enlist and they know the odds of combat in our military are high. Why do you think that the suicide rate in the military is at an all-time high? I feel sorry for them, and I'm ashamed of how they are exploited. I wish they had the ability to say "No, sir! I won't" But, they're conditioned to never disobey. That's just flat-out dangerous.



This post was edited on 4/4 10:45 PM by strummingram

 

[Smalls4IA]

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by HallofFame:

This thread give me a big case of the sads. So much hatred of our fellow countrymen. When did hating our service men become so cool? While I don't agree with a lot of our foreign interactions there is just some serious hatred going on in here. If you replaced what is being said about our servicemen with say the word black or mexican many of you would be down right racist. So hating American Military is ok hating criminals who rape and kill everyday is racist. Got it.

I'm certainly not "hating servicemen!" I hate that they are exploited and allow themselves to be exploited. And, even worse, the American People are duped into going along with it even more! It's a travesty how those who serve in the US Military are sent into one country after another, to kill innocent people and those in charge get to plunder their natural resources. It's what the people who have run this country do best. They are pimps and they whore-out the military over and over. If soldiers are going to just take orders, then I lack respect for that when it goes against your better judgment. Our government is war-drunk. This country has now been at constant war for 13-14 years in a row! It's not a hatred toward the military personnel themselves. They are just pawns. But, they are culpable in that they have chosen to enlist and they know the odds of combat in our military are high. Why do you think that the suicide rate in the military is at an all-time high? I feel sorry for them, and I'm ashamed of how they are exploited. I wish they had the ability to say "No, sir! I won't" But, they're conditioned to never disobey. That's just flat-out dangerous.







This post was edited on 4/4 10:45 PM by strummingram

Congratulations. You have single handedly posted the dumbest thing ever said on here. Wow. Life would be awesome if we had just kept our noses out of the world wars. Crazy doesn't just exist in that reflection you see in the mirror every day. It's worldwide and is more mobile than ever. Oh and this county existed before you were born. We have been at war since it's existence
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[hawkhead87]

Hathcock may have had more kills but couldn't confirm them. Kyle has the most confirmed kills in US history
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[denmar81]

Can't believe the criticism on here. Kyle did what he was trained to do. His actions are praised by hundreds of soldiers that are still alive because of what he did. He's a hero, along with every other soldier that served. Comparing him to a Nazi is really saddening. The horror's of battle are tremendous and anyone associated with it will tell you that in the thick of it, he's not doing it for his country, he's doing it for the guy next to him.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by Smalls4IA:

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by HallofFame:

This thread give me a big case of the sads. So much hatred of our fellow countrymen. When did hating our service men become so cool? While I don't agree with a lot of our foreign interactions there is just some serious hatred going on in here. If you replaced what is being said about our servicemen with say the word black or mexican many of you would be down right racist. So hating American Military is ok hating criminals who rape and kill everyday is racist. Got it.

I'm certainly not "hating servicemen!" I hate that they are exploited and allow themselves to be exploited. And, even worse, the American People are duped into going along with it even more! It's a travesty how those who serve in the US Military are sent into one country after another, to kill innocent people and those in charge get to plunder their natural resources. It's what the people who have run this country do best. They are pimps and they whore-out the military over and over. If soldiers are going to just take orders, then I lack respect for that when it goes against your better judgment. Our government is war-drunk. This country has now been at constant war for 13-14 years in a row! It's not a hatred toward the military personnel themselves. They are just pawns. But, they are culpable in that they have chosen to enlist and they know the odds of combat in our military are high. Why do you think that the suicide rate in the military is at an all-time high? I feel sorry for them, and I'm ashamed of how they are exploited. I wish they had the ability to say "No, sir! I won't" But, they're conditioned to never disobey. That's just flat-out dangerous.







This post was edited on 4/4 10:45 PM by strummingram

Congratulations. You have single handedly posted the dumbest thing ever said on here. Wow. Life would be awesome if we had just kept our noses out of the world wars. Crazy doesn't just exist in that reflection you see in the mirror every day. It's worldwide and is more mobile than ever. Oh and this county existed before you were born. We have been at war since it's existence
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No, the dumbest thing posted is what you just delivered to us through the ignorant mind of your very own self. In the very same post you both insult Strumm and then validate everything he typed. What he is saying is thoughtful, LOGICAL, and humane. You on the other hand speak of being at all times as 'BAU'. Humanity will kill itself someday, and you will be one of the reasons why.
Why are you people like you still around? How can you possibly be this stupid?

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by denmar81:
Can't believe the criticism on here. Kyle did what he was trained to do. His actions are praised by hundreds of soldiers that are still alive because of what he did. He's a hero, along with every other soldier that served. Comparing him to a Nazi is really saddening. The horror's of battle are tremendous and anyone associated with it will tell you that in the thick of it, he's not doing it for his country, he's doing it for the guy next to him.

The point, is that we take time to glamourize and make a hero out of a man who was made to kill a lot of people. You see, he wasn't here in America protecting us from invaders. He was in another country, fighting in wars, that have nothing to do with our freedom.

The last part is a good piece of wording there. Really think about what you typed here, and maybe you'll get why the criticism of the wars and how those invovled are used, is such a problem with some of us.

It's really very simple.