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So Musk outright supports the Nazis?

Really? Which rifle?
They did get a small amount of western tanks, but they were considered junk compared to their own.
They made over 150,000 planes, and received relatively few from the West (and again, the obsolete stuff).

The important lend lease for them was really the unsexy stuff, like ~400,000 trucks and jeeps.
I guess they never taught you what “etc.” means. SMH.
 
It doesn’t mean ‘some of the stuff I just said isn’t true’, but saying we sent them rifles isn’t true.
If you want to get technical, we sent them some early model M1s and Thompsons (technically not a rifle). My grandfather helped load the shipments with the “funny letters” printed on them.
 
I guess they never taught you what “etc.” means. SMH.

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How many resources had to be poured into the Kriegsmarine to fight the Western allies?

How much by way of Luftwaffe resources had to be poured into trying to defend Ploesti? It was the 2nd most heavily defended place in Europe after only Berlin.

You can argue the anti aircraft gun crews were mostly reservists who were not likely to have been sent to the front anyway, but those 7,000 flak 88s which also served as their primary anti-tank weapon sure would have been useful on the Ostfront .


How do the Soviets fare with no bauxite to make aluminum out of which aircraft were built because their strategic metal reserve fell into German hands early on?


How do they fare without those 15 million pairs of felt lined boots the US sent them? The Germans lost about as many men to frostbite as to the Russians that first Winter.



How go they fare when their primary grain growing region fell into German hands in the Speing of 1942? Even with the hundreds of thousands of tons of grain, spam, powdered eggs and powdered milk the US and Canada sent them, plenty still starved.


How about in the first year when the US sent them over 90% of their aviation fuel after the Germans knocked out a couple of critical refineries?


How do they fare without the 450,000 trucks the US and Canada sent them, the tens of thousands of jeeps, the 2200 locomotives at a time when they made 200 total?


That is to say nothing of the vital radios and telephones and thousands of miles of telephone cable the British sent them so they could actually communicate with their troops in the field.


Nor does this even mention the vast amounts of industrial equipment they were given.


Have we mentioned weapons yet - like the 20,000+ AFVs they were sent? Yes allied supplied weapons may have only been 15% of the Soviet's total, but weapons were the least of Western military aid.
 
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How many resources had to be poured into the Kriegsmarine to fight the Western allies?

How much by way of Luftwaffe resources had to be poured into trying to defend Ploesti? It was the 2nd most heavily defended place in Europe after only Berlin.

You can argue the anti aircraft gun crews were mostly reservists who were not likely to have been sent to the front anyway, but those 7,000 flak 88s which also served as their primary anti-tank weapon sure would have been useful on the Ostfront .


How do the Soviets fare with no bauxite to make aluminum out of which aircraft were built because their strategic metal reserve fell into German hands early on?


How do they fare without those 15 million pairs of felt lined boots the US sent them? The Germans lost about as many men to frostbite as to the Russians that first Winter.



How go they fare when their primary grain growing region fell into German hands in the Speing of 1942? Even with the hundreds of thousands of tons of grain, spam, powdered eggs and powdered milk the US and Canada sent them, plenty still starved.


How about in the first year when the US sent them over 90% of their aviation fuel after the Germans knocked out a couple of critical refineries?


How do they fare without the 450,000 trucks the US and Canada sent them, the tens of thousands of jeeps, the 2200 locomotives at a time when they made 200 total?


That is to say nothing of the vital radios and telephones and thousands of miles of telephone cable the British sent them so they could actually communicate with their troops in the field.


Nor does this even mention the vast amounts of industrial equipment they were given.


Have we mentioned weapons yet - like the 20,000+ AFVs they were sent? Yes allied supplied weapons may have only been 15% of the Soviet's total, but weapons were the least of Western military aid.

All of which only represented 4% of the Soviet economy. The problem with these numbers it is never compared to the Soviet stockpiles before the war nor do you take into consideration how many of those materials even worked or made it to the USSR.

Aviation fuel: The importance of this fuel was due to the high-octane fuel provided. The high octane-fuel was important because it boosted the performance of Soviet aircraft engines by 10%, by no means would the Soviets have no plane fuel to fly, just less quality fuel for their engines, which means more maintenance or engine replacements, which the Soviet industry had no problem doing. Rather, the lend-lease high-octane fuel was used for lend-lease aircraft, not really Soviet aircraft as Western aircraft was designed for different fuel usage. Also important to note that the Soviets received 12k aircraft from the West, which is less than 10% of the 126k aircraft the Soviets produced.

Motor vehicles: The Soviet stockpile of trucks before the war numbered about one million by 1941 Barbarossa. So by 1944, lend-lease trucks contributed to 25% of the total amount of trucks the Soviets were employing. Numbers are also inflated by command jeeps provided which were used to overstate the number of trucks. Not to mention the ones that were lost during delivery. Not to mention that the Soviets produced 150,000 Studebaker trucks themselves in their own country, which was counted as "lend-lease trucks."

Locomotives:You compared locomotive deliveries compared to Soviet production, but left out the stockpile of locomotives the USSR already had before lend-lease. 1,900 lend-lease locomotives seems like a huge number... until you see that the Soviets had 25,000 locomotives and 500,000 railway wagons in stock. 98% of locomotives used during the war were Soviet-made, and lend-lease deliveries only made up 5% of locomotives and 1% of railway wagons.

It is also vital to note that 75% lend-lease came after the Red Army had won the Battle of Kursk where Germany was destined to lose after that. Earlier the Soviets prevented a complete defeat by preventing the Germans from taking Moscow and Stalingrad with very little lend-lease supplies that made any significant difference. Rather, the lend-lease helped in alleviating pressure from Soviet industries and helping end the war much faster in exchange for destroying 80% of the German Army as well as 90% of the total European Axis forces.

It is also important to note that lend-lease also saved countless American casualties who didn’t have to fight a much stronger & better resourced German Army.
 
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How many resources had to be poured into the Kriegsmarine to fight the Western allies?

How much by way of Luftwaffe resources had to be poured into trying to defend Ploesti? It was the 2nd most heavily defended place in Europe after only Berlin.

You can argue the anti aircraft gun crews were mostly reservists who were not likely to have been sent to the front anyway, but those 7,000 flak 88s which also served as their primary anti-tank weapon sure would have been useful on the Ostfront .


How do the Soviets fare with no bauxite to make aluminum out of which aircraft were built because their strategic metal reserve fell into German hands early on?


How do they fare without those 15 million pairs of felt lined boots the US sent them? The Germans lost about as many men to frostbite as to the Russians that first Winter.



How go they fare when their primary grain growing region fell into German hands in the Speing of 1942? Even with the hundreds of thousands of tons of grain, spam, powdered eggs and powdered milk the US and Canada sent them, plenty still starved.


How about in the first year when the US sent them over 90% of their aviation fuel after the Germans knocked out a couple of critical refineries?


How do they fare without the 450,000 trucks the US and Canada sent them, the tens of thousands of jeeps, the 2200 locomotives at a time when they made 200 total?


That is to say nothing of the vital radios and telephones and thousands of miles of telephone cable the British sent them so they could actually communicate with their troops in the field.


Nor does this even mention the vast amounts of industrial equipment they were given.


Have we mentioned weapons yet - like the 20,000+ AFVs they were sent? Yes allied supplied weapons may have only been 15% of the Soviet's total, but weapons were the least of Western military aid.
You do realize that I agree with you, right? I’m sure there was no small amount of fuel and drilling equipment sent to them either. The Soviet Empire had ample natural resources, but very poor exploration and refining capacity. And at the end of the day, they pushed the Germans back by deploying a flood of “brown people” conscripted from the south and the east that was simply too big for the Germans to kill.
 
You do realize that I agree with you, right? I’m sure there was no small amount of fuel and drilling equipment sent to them either. The Soviet Empire had ample natural resources, but very poor exploration and refining capacity. And at the end of the day, they pushed the Germans back by deploying a flood of “brown people” conscripted from the south and the east that was simply too big for the Germans to kill.

over 85% of the combat units in the Red Army consisted of ethnic Russians, Belarussians, & Ukrainians. Soviets definitely used human wave tactics to overwhelm the Germans but the vast majority of the Red Army was very much "white people."
 
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no, I'm mad that in the age of information dumb piece of shit humans elected an even dumber piece of shit human..........and they are so dumb that they think they did a good thing

Idiocracy is a documentary
Kamala didn’t win. The second biggest piece of shit running for president won
 
“When I first encountered Elon, one of the things that struck me was that he was never interested in doing anything “for money” — it would always boil down to “is this of existential relevance to humanity”.

And, sure, if you’re running a business it has to be financially sustainable to scale and be effective through time, but the point is he was never interested in anything, no matter how lucrative, unless it was of existential relevance to our species.

It was rare and refreshing — and hopefully increasingly common amongst us as time goes forward.

So, yes, it may be that he’s too expensive to be buyable but in reality it was moot regardless!”



 
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“When I first encountered Elon, one of the things that struck me was that he was never interested in doing anything “for money” — it would always boil down to “is this of existential relevance to humanity”.

And, sure, if you’re running a business it has to be financially sustainable to scale and be effective through time, but the point is he was never interested in anything, no matter how lucrative, unless it was of existential relevance to our species.

It was rare and refreshing — and hopefully increasingly common amongst us as time goes forward.

So, yes, it may be that he’s too expensive to be buyable but in reality it was moot regardless!”



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“When I first encountered Elon, one of the things that struck me was that he was never interested in doing anything “for money” — it would always boil down to “is this of existential relevance to humanity”.

And, sure, if you’re running a business it has to be financially sustainable to scale and be effective through time, but the point is he was never interested in anything, no matter how lucrative, unless it was of existential relevance to our species.

It was rare and refreshing — and hopefully increasingly common amongst us as time goes forward.

So, yes, it may be that he’s too expensive to be buyable but in reality it was moot regardless!”



 
EVs > ICE … existential.
Mars as second home for humanity … existential.
Neuralink to aid disabled humans … existential.
FSD to prevent auto deaths … existential.
Big batteries to help solve sustainability … existential.
Robotics to aid humans … existential.

Think about it.
 
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EVs > ICE … existential.
Mars as second home for humanity … existential.
Neuralink to aid disabled humans … existential.
FSD to prevent auto deaths … existential.
Big batteries to help solve sustainability … existential.
Robotics to aid humans … existential.

Think about it.
Musk should have no issues removing tariffs for BYD then who make an EV superior to and use a better battery than Tesla, at a lower price point, if he really cared about humanity.

Prevent auto deaths? Tesla has a higher fatal accident rate of any other car company. Double the rate of accidents.

He should probably focus on one thing at a time and play less Diablo.
 
Musk should have no issues removing tariffs for BYD then who make an EV superior to and use a better battery than Tesla, at a lower price point, if he really cared about humanity.

Prevent auto deaths? Tesla has a higher fatal accident rate of any other car company. Double the rate of accidents.

He should probably focus on one thing at a time and play less Diablo.

I don’t know what/where you’ve been reading but i would challenge you to look further than headlines from partisan hacks for your understanding of these issues.
 
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LOL. If you were able to venture anywhere outside the echo chamber under Elon's tutu you might be exposed to some reality.

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“roadandtrack.com”

Lol


MotorTrend Acquired by Hearst, Owner of Car and Driver, Road & Track​



Media outlet direct competitor of X & Elon Musk.

Shocking.
 
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“roadandtrack.com”

Lol

Coming from somebody who uses random people on twitter as sources, it's pretty comical that you're questioning somebody else's..




 
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Coming from somebody who uses random people on twitter as sources, it's pretty comical that you're questioning somebody else's..





“autoblog”

Lol

“motortrend”

Lol, they have been putting out hit pieces for years. Zero credibility.

Insideevs? Lol

It is no wonder you are so wildly misinformed.
 
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definitely put that material along with what they produced themselves to good use. 8/10 German casualties were on the Eastern Front.
The Soviets were throwing bodies at the Germans. (27 million causalities). Stalingrad alone degraded the German Army signifIcantly.
Giving America time to ratchet up the war machine. They also kept pressure off the British as well.
 
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