So no AP classes on African-American history
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OK, I'll tell a story.
Our public high school sociology teacher (an elective) back in the early 80s was quite atypical in several ways. First, he was the football coach. Second, and most relevant here, he was the child of a Church of God minister. In other words, he did not have a beard, nor did he smoke a pipe.
In his class ...
-during the Iranian hostage crisis, he had a bumper sticker on his blackboard that said "Shoot an Iranian, get a check!";
-the failure to stand respectfully (if not participate) during the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning got you suspended by your throat with your feet off the ground;
-he very nearly exploded (literally) when a particularly slutty girl sorta made some comment that sounded vaguely like she was propositioning him, and
-the topic of homosexuality was taught in the section on "deviant behavior," and I distinctly recall his first "lesson" on the topic writing on the board: Types of Homos - Closet Queens, etc.
Woof.
Which is a long way of saying, sadly, "your results may vary."
I took drivers ed at City. I'm now considered an " elite " driver according to Farm Bureau. All of my basic skills test scores placed me too high for City High, ended up at private skool...
Maybe people can see I know more than you do, and you are the real clueless clown.
This is great. The idea that you think you know more than someone about anything at all. Comedy gold.
I wonder if AP can decide to pull all course accreditation from the state as a response to this. That would be a pretty interesting turn of events.
Evidently, victimhood is the only class you maga scum bastards ever passed.
Pretty much all book larnin' is useless.
None, but I'm aware that this still exists there...
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It is a history of a unique and foul injustice and has been well covered and documented since I was in college in the late 60’s. No one denies this. And I would have no objection to it’s inclusion and expansion, but per an earlier posters information I’m not supportive of the course material as it is now formatted.
None, but I'm aware that this still exists there...
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So Jerome you’re full of shit.
I have a minor in American History. I never took any class from any Professor who relied on one phucking detail of any bullshit UDC fantasy parade of fuzzy memories.
BTW several of my Professors were PhD’s from Harvard, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Chapel Hill. Not exactly KKK types.
Nobody is talking about your college experience, unless for some reason it involved AP classes.
And if I'm so full of sh!t how come your beloved state continues to legislate against setting the record straight?
Who's teaching victimhood? Man some of you buy into the scare tactics. Who are you do demean someone who get's a degree in African American studies. Like that's not a real degree to you. That say a lot about you and none of it is good.
A lot of people don't seem to understand how DeSantis thinks.
This is extremely unlikely to be about simply not wanting to teach the History of African Americans in the US.
It's going to be about the stuff that rides along with a course like this -- or at least what they think does.
What somebody like DeSantis and the like are railing against is when courses like this are loaded up with concepts like "whiteness" or that America is a fundamentally white supremacist country -- these sort of debatable conceptualizations that are often undergirded by a certain sort of socio-political ideology that doesn't have to be associated with the simple history telling of African American's in the US.
It's the one sided political commentary inserted into the history that they're railing against. That it's just that perspective -- no others -- and it's taught as matter of fact.
That's what they don't like.
This is extremely unlikely to be about simply not wanting to teach the History of African Americans in the US.
It's going to be about the stuff that rides along with a course like this -- or at least what they think does.
What somebody like DeSantis and the like are railing against is when courses like this are loaded up with concepts like "whiteness" or that America is a fundamentally white supremacist country -- these sort of debatable conceptualizations that are often undergirded by a certain sort of socio-political ideology that doesn't have to be associated with the simple history telling of African American's in the US.
It's the one sided political commentary inserted into the history that they're railing against. That it's just that perspective -- no others -- and it's taught as matter of fact.
That's what they don't like.
You are correct.We clearly know your major wasn't English
I placed out of Freshman English...most Catholic school kids do.
What specific legislation is in place at this moment that bars teaching all the facts about American History?
I think you're correct in identifying the surface feelings that might motivate someone to support such legislation. I also think it goes a lot deeper than that for people that are predisposed to be in that camp. I feel that it is in large part a reflexive response to having major pieces of history challenged and corrected from what was largely "feel good" propaganda about our nation to a more accurate, and far more uncomfortable truth.
It's instinctual to be susceptible to the sunk-cost fallacy and become defensive of institutions and teaching that were so important to a person's upbringing, even in the face of mountains of evidence that the "old system" was deliberately created to temper shame.
Sure, there is some of that.
There are, and always been, those with a rather nationalistic outlook that bristle at any bit of information (or interpretation thereof) that challenges the idea that American is anything but the proverbial "shining city on the hill."
And of course those sorts are to be found moreso amongst conservative and traditionalist thinkers. (political implications obvious) Of course... these sorts are probably found amongst all human societies. It's something you'll always have to deal with, to some degree.
But I think we've come a long long ways in ameliorating the excesses of this sort of viewpoint in American society. Compare today to national sentiment post WW2. The needle was moved quite a bit -- an incredible bit, really -- on the topic of race and American history.
A lot of this work was done by minds that aren't prone to this sort of nationalistic outlook; very different sorts of thinkers. They tended to gather in Universities and other institutions of thinking -- they were the outsiders at the time. They had a tremendous influence in reshaping viewpoints on American history and what's taught about it. And of lot that was very positive.
But they possess their own pathologies -- mainly in that you can become so dedicated to your cause, and so surrounded by like minded people that you lose perspective and become overly critical, or, uselessly critical. Basically, you become the antithesis of what you were battling. One extreme to the other.
There comes a point in time in which you've already done most of your important work on a cause and there's not that much left to do in the present. When your ideas aren't those of the outsider any longer. I think this is a problem for these sorts of thinkers today. Their impulse was very useful in the world of yesteryear, but not so much now. That's why you end up with all these very critical (and very subjective) bits of theory being interjected into something like the telling of African American History.
I'm not saying that their ideas shouldn't be able to exist, I'm stating that their ideas don't deserve to set along side matter of fact history or be taught to impressionable young minds as matter of fact. It would the be same as teaching X monetary theory or X economic theory as matter of fact while relying upon some bit of sad bit of history to tug on their heartstrings.
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@goldmom Please believe me, I have the utmost respect for your experiences and do understand what you're saying. Unfortunately, I'm not talking about anything to do with college or professors that were willing and able to tell more of the story. I'm speaking about elementary and high school curriculum in the post-antebellum South, which Florida is a part of.
The current curriculum debates, while certainly containing some nuance and differences, is really just a continuation of a debate that started with the white washing history to avoid shame.
The current curriculum debates, while certainly containing some nuance and differences, is really just a continuation of a debate that started with the white washing history to avoid shame.
It must suck to be ashamed of America and our history, which while FAR from perfect is still better than any where else in the world. Its why we have caravans of migrants risking their lives to have a bite of the apple of the American Dream. There's not a country on Earth that has a squeaky clean past, and the history that I learned down here in Florida in the 80's and 90's never said it was. America has corrected many social issues that are still very much issues in other parts of the world and is still working daily to ensure equal rights and protections under the law.
Go try to be LGBQT IA++ in Qatar for a week and come back and tell me how bad America is.
Eat sh!t you simple minded f@ck.
I respect your POV - no venom from me - but I regard the use of the term “post-antebellum South” as sooo 1975...
You are just lost.
Anyone who is paying even minimal attention to new laws and bills from the usual suspects knows this is not true. They are actively working to roll back rights.
Sort of an awkward term as well,.. since "post-antebellum South", literally means "after-before the war, South"...
If ever someone was simple minded, I would expect to see them type something that looks an awful lot like this.
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What's next? Some Florida dad gonna complain about Home Economics and get it banned because his boy might enroll and have to wear an apron and learn to bake like his stay-at-home wife? It's an elective... only those who want to take it will. Florida and Rs are SOFT.
Aside from returning Roe v Wade to the 50 states to decide, which items are the focus of a rights roll back?
You go on thinking whatever you like. I'm not going to waste any effort on someone that starts out by telling me how I feel.
"The current curriculum debates, while certainly containing some nuance and differences, is really just a continuation of a debate that started with the white washing history to avoid shame."
That was you. Shame was your word.
