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Over Grayson Allen purposely tripping an opposing player tonight?

This is the 3rd time he's done that in his Duke career.

What will Wilbon have to say about it? Since walking away from a conflict is such an act of bullying. Can't imagine how he'll view Allen's act.

Aggravated assault?
 
Over Grayson Allen purposely tripping an opposing player tonight?

This is the 3rd time he's done that in his Duke career.

What will Wilbon have to say about it? Since walking away from a conflict is such an act of bullying. Can't imagine how he'll view Allen's act.

Aggravated assault?

Allen shouldn't play the rest of the season if Coach K has any balls. That's harsh, but Allen has issues. He needs help. I'm serious on that. Way he reacted on the bench tonight after the game, he has much larger issues than just tripping guys in a basketball game.

The tripping makes no sense. If I tried that at the Y during a pickup game, the other 9 players on the court would beat my rear. And they should.
 
We wouldn't have these threads if... well, it would have been so simple.

Well, I guess if they bother you so much, perhaps don't read them. Or better yet, don't respond to them.

I think the topic is relevant. Especially after Wilbon excoriated Woodbury the way he did over the eye-poking thing and now labeling Fran as a bully. I'm guessing the fact Wilbon is a Northwestern homer has a lot to do with his antipathy toward Iowa.

The way he spoke of Woodbury, he better have the same things to say about Allen.
 
Allen shouldn't play the rest of the season if Coach K has any balls. That's harsh, but Allen has issues. He needs help. I'm serious on that. Way he reacted on the bench tonight after the game, he has much larger issues than just tripping guys in a basketball game.

The tripping makes no sense. If I tried that at the Y during a pickup game, the other 9 players on the court would beat my rear. And they should.

The tripping is very childish and immature. Agreed. And I would think a suspension is in order, and I'm guessing the NCAA will step in and ensure there is one. How long is open to debate, but I don't think a season-long suspension is warranted.
 
Well, I guess if they bother you so much, perhaps don't read them. Or better yet, don't respond to them.

I think the topic is relevant. Especially after Wilbon excoriated Woodbury the way he did over the eye-poking thing and now labeling Fran as a bully. I'm guessing the fact Wilbon is a Northwestern homer has a lot to do with his antipathy toward Iowa.

The way he spoke of Woodbury, he better have the same things to say about Allen.

I meant if Coach Fran would have done the right thing... sorry, thought it was obvious. I shouldn't bother though, as I can already tell most don't wish to discuss the topic anymore... I think a lot of the Internet bad asses have slept their buzz off and realized how silly they looked 21 hours ago :D
 
I meant if Coach Fran would have done the right thing... sorry, thought it was obvious. I shouldn't bother though, as I can already tell most don't wish to discuss the topic anymore... I think a lot of the Internet bad asses have slept their buzz off and realized how silly they looked 21 hours ago :D

Okay, I get you now.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with what Fran did. I understand the merits of the arguments. Yes, I'm one who had no problem with it whatsoever, and still don't, but I also agree with Fran apologizing.

I don't, however, understand people who are blowing this out of proportion and making ridiculous statements about Fran's character, etc., or labeling him a "bully." I think it's well known that Fran struggles with his temper, and I applaud him for walking away and not making the situation worse by saying or doing something stupid.
 
You do not trip anyone by kicking them behind the knee during competition. It's called a
Intentionall cheap shot!! Followed up by, uh oh I F'd up, better pretend like I care blathering.

IMO, these type transgressions need to go above the coach. They are too close to the situation.
Who knows what kind of mental case this rich kid is? He tried to kick a field goal, or at least an
Australian rules xtra point, with this kids leg.
 
I meant if Coach Fran would have done the right thing... sorry, thought it was obvious. I shouldn't bother though, as I can already tell most don't wish to discuss the topic anymore... I think a lot of the Internet bad asses have slept their buzz off and realized how silly they looked 21 hours ago :D

I walked away from this topic, and didn't respond to the "shaking hands - walking away", response that I received. But I'm about to walk back in.

  1. Walk Away. Take a breather and remove yourself from the situation that is causing you to become angry. ...
That's the first step of ten in "Anger Management". So yeah, many of the perfect humans on here who never have a reason to become angry may not ever need to do that. To which of course I say, bull hockey.

Posters who have hashed and rehashed the "unsportsmanlike conduct" of the situation? Paid"bad guys" on ESPN? I don't see any of 'em taking half the time to talk about ND's conduct.

What we have here, is a simple case of, "I'm better than Fran", and knowing the world in general at least half the posters who have communicated something to that effect know they are lying. The other half are just fooling themselves.

And I'll present my simple evidence once again. People are on here a day later STILL harping about a no harm, no foul, no suspension, no complaint from the Big Ten, action that received understanding from the opposing coach, action which Fran apologized for later, tiny blip on the radar in ND's season history of altercations with other teams...and we're supposed to believe those posters would have handled the dangers and unsportsmanlike actions of ND's players AND coaches...and would have walked right up and shook hands just because it's the polite thing to do.

Wow...what a bunch of malarkey.

It's a sad day when playing couch coach and looking for ways to criticize the guy in charge (And try to tell me there isn't a direct correlation between the 1/3rd who found that walking away was wrong, and the "usual suspects" quickest to complain about coaching and players.) is so important that ignoring a basic principle of avoiding making a tense situation worse seems the right thing to do.

I'm not disappointed in Fran. I'm disappointed with fans so quick to slam him and then not even communicate facts except those that fit their narrative. Believe me, there was a time that kind of rhetoric would be called what it was. Today, people say anything they feel like and then claim their butts are sore from the reactions. Well, sorry, but in the old days there was a little more responsibility to what a person said, and sounding dumb just to take the usual "side" wasn't normal behavior.

I know, hiding in the internet made us all invincible, so why not claim to be perfect as well?

So there. :) (If anyone finds this "one" to be disturbing, please go back and read it slow...try to pretend Morgan Freemon is reading it. Because that's the mood I typed it in...not the "attack and kill" tone any seem to want to believe they are reading. Just a sound, slow scolding for what in my view is silly behavior.
 
Danl53,

It's 2016. McCaffery is the coach. Pouting off the court is unacceptable in today's ball world!
McCafferys personal opinions of how the basketball world should be is meaningless.
If he was as disgusted as he displayed, why not punch Jones out. It's a f'ing basketball game.

Then, notice next day, he apologizes. Keeping his $$$million dollar winter job.
Maybe we can get in the NIT, and have a home game in Carver.

I'm going to wrestling Nationals, instead.
 
give it up. fran made a mistake and i am happy to see that he has apologized. i am sure that fran knew as soon as he walked off that court that the media would have a field day with this- instead of his team celebrating their win, all the focus would be on fran and his temper. i am sure the tough guys don't like to hear this but you don't deal with bad behavior by sinking to their level. its not easy but that's what adults do. fran is expected to win games and act in a profession manner. it is not easy but he is paid millions to do it.
 
give it up. fran made a mistake and i am happy to see that he has apologized. i am sure that fran knew as soon as he walked off that court that the media would have a field day with this- instead of his team celebrating their win, all the focus would be on fran and his temper. i am sure the tough guys don't like to hear this but you don't deal with bad behavior by sinking to their level. its not easy but that's what adults do. fran is expected to win games and act in a profession manner. it is not easy but he is paid millions to do it.
Bump for Dan.
It is possible to be critical of Frans actions but still like him as our coach. You don't seem to get that.
Quit crying about what other's say they would do. You have no clue as to the character and life experiences of the people on this board.
 
Grayson Allen needs to be suspended for at least 5 games possibly more. He has shown this behavior before and the NCAA & ACC did nothing. He is a "cheap shot" artist and he has gotten away.

Coach K supporting him in his apology was good, but come on the kid is a know tripper and he hasn't learned. Needs to sit for a little bit. I mean how much is it going to hurt Duke. They will just pull another All American off their bench.
 
I walked away from this topic, and didn't respond to the "shaking hands - walking away", response that I received. But I'm about to walk back in.

Do you have two handles? Because when I typed that, it was to some guy named Steve W.
 
Danl53,

It's 2016. McCaffery is the coach. Pouting off the court is unacceptable in today's ball world!
McCafferys personal opinions of how the basketball world should be is meaningless.
If he was as disgusted as he displayed, why not punch Jones out. It's a f'ing basketball game.

Then, notice next day, he apologizes. Keeping his $$$million dollar winter job.
Maybe we can get in the NIT, and have a home game in Carver.

I'm going to wrestling Nationals, instead.

It's funny that you criticize Fran for his actions then at the end of your post talk about going to the wrestling nationals instead. Way Brands act makes Fran look like a choir boy. I remember few years ago against Wisconsin it got so heated between Brands and Wisc coach Barry Davis, former Iowa wrestler, to the point that Dan Gable literally come out from press row and soothed things over.
 
Bump for Dan.
It is possible to be critical of Frans actions but still like him as our coach. You don't seem to get that.
Quit crying about what other's say they would do. You have no clue as to the character and life experiences of the people on this board.

I disagree. What people post is a good clue as to their character and life experiences. Notice the word, "crying" in your response. That tells me quite a bit. o_O
 
It's funny that you criticize Fran for his actions then at the end of your post talk about going to the wrestling nationals instead. Way Brands act makes Fran look like a choir boy. I remember few years ago against Wisconsin it got so heated between Brands and Wisc coach Barry Davis, former Iowa wrestler, to the point that Dan Gable literally come out from press row and soothed things over.

It is funny how that worked. Good catch 17!
 
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I disagree. What people post is a good clue as to their character and life experiences. Notice the word, "crying" in your response. That tells me quite a bit. o_O
How many times have you implied that everyone would act just like fran, calling all that diagree with you liars or fools (look at your post above)...Comes off as immature and not well thought out, thus "crying".
Just because the big ten office doesn't publicly say something doesn't mean that a conversation wasn't had. I'd be willing to bet Fran had conversations with his bosses and the big ten office and they weren't "good job". They probably revolved around being a leader of young men........
 
Allen shouldn't play the rest of the season if Coach K has any balls. That's harsh, but Allen has issues. He needs help. I'm serious on that. Way he reacted on the bench tonight after the game, he has much larger issues than just tripping guys in a basketball game.

The tripping makes no sense. If I tried that at the Y during a pickup game, the other 9 players on the court would beat my rear. And they should.

I thought the same thing. I think this kid needs some help. His reaction on the bench was a bit scary.
 
Love Wilbon. Love Kornheiser. Love Fran.

The first two are paid to express their opinions profusely and dramatically, sometimes without a lot of background. Kind of a knee jerk reaction. It draws viewership, which pays the bills. The two of them talking about soccer or NASCAR would be good examples.

Fran was wrong, but he'll be wrong again. He's got a temper and emotional issues. They won't go away, possibly ever. I thought it was right that he walked because i thought things would escalate if he'd gone through with the handshake. It's too bad, but at least it didn't get more stupid.

Bob Knight was a "character" years ago for his much ballyhooed temper. Applauded, almost. It was an endearing trait. Then, instead of basketball, he thought he'd expand on rape and the circumstances surrounding it. Not too smart. But, he's still revered for whatever he's revered for. I don't mind him, but why was he given such a pass?

JoPa, too. Revered, for why? A great coach? And still beloved.

I can see why. We're all hypocrites that see only what we want to see. Don't mess with our worlds too much, or you'll pay the price!!! Even if we are desperately wrong.

Wilbon and Korny don't know Fran. Neither do I. I've met him twice and he was very cordial and approachable and engaging. And he coaches my basketball team, so leave him alone!!
 
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Danl53,

It's 2016. McCaffery is the coach. Pouting off the court is unacceptable in today's ball world!
McCafferys personal opinions of how the basketball world should be is meaningless.
If he was as disgusted as he displayed, why not punch Jones out. It's a f'ing basketball game.

Then, notice next day, he apologizes. Keeping his $$$million dollar winter job.
Maybe we can get in the NIT, and have a home game in Carver.

I'm going to wrestling Nationals, instead.

Good go away, Fran did NOTHING wrong walking off the floor get over it...there was NOTHING unacceptable that he did, now what ND did was 100% unacceptable
 
It's funny that you criticize Fran for his actions then at the end of your post talk about going to the wrestling nationals instead. Way Brands act makes Fran look like a choir boy. I remember few years ago against Wisconsin it got so heated between Brands and Wisc coach Barry Davis, former Iowa wrestler, to the point that Dan Gable literally come out from press row and soothed things over.
You are probably thinking Tom Ryan. Brands and Barry Davis have had a good relationship. And Tom has not done anything to make Fran look like a choir boy. They are both intense coaches that have their players back. Both are great coaches that Iowa is lucky to have.
 
Here's the post... From a thread titled "My Man Fran"...

Yeah, Pepperman, so? I have one moniker, DanL53. What exactly is confusing you? I see a post from "Steve Waite", ask him about it. He, isn't, me. :)
 
How many times have you implied that everyone would act just like fran, calling all that diagree with you liars or fools (look at your post above)...Comes off as immature and not well thought out, thus "crying".
Just because the big ten office doesn't publicly say something doesn't mean that a conversation wasn't had. I'd be willing to bet Fran had conversations with his bosses and the big ten office and they weren't "good job". They probably revolved around being a leader of young men........

Now I'm implying stuff? And calling posters fools?

And it COMES OFF as crying. I made quite clear at the end of the post you refer to that it was meant to be read nice and slowly like Morgan Freeman was reading it. It wasn't a rant. And it was not personally calling anyone anything, but expressing my opinions which yes, can include the state of mind of posters in general when typing.

Bulldogs1974, I think you are getting nowhere trying to make this a personal thing. I think I make a pretty good point about posters who now two days later can't get over Fran walking off the court, but they are sure that in the same situation they would be nice and calm.

This, "I'd be willing to bet Fran had conversations with his bosses and the big ten office and they weren't "good job". They probably revolved around being a leader of young men.", you go right ahead and find someone to bet with. I don't know how you are going to prove your imaginary ideas of what took place are right or not, but good luck.

This isn't getting us anywhere, and clearly my thoughts in general are being taken personally, which I sure tried to NOT have that happen. So let's move on.
 
Wait, I get it now. You are tying to say that you weren't talking to me.

Funny way of saying it. Also, there is a button for private messages if you don't want others replying to your comments.
 
To be fair, some people on this board would bitch if Fran donated a kidney to the Pope.

the Pope is the Antichrist... so I would absolutely not be in favor of that happening.

Brain Jones calling Jordan Bohannon a "f'n prick" is worse than Fran McCaffery not shaking hands at the end of a game... imo

I love the passion that Fran McCaffery shows on a nightly basis... I wouldn't want anything less from the Head Coach at Iowa.

a little friction is good... its what keeps us sharp.

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To be fair, some people on this board would bitch if Fran donated a kidney to the Pope.

That's true, and we're falling into the same cycle of "good fan, bad fan" that seems to come around two or three times every season. There's nothing wrong with criticizing Fran. I think what irritates some folks is being disagreed with.

Wow, this is the wrong place to be if one can't handle disagreement. Especially (and I'm not talking about anyone in particular) you find yourself in a minority view and keep pushing the matter.
 
Now I'm implying stuff? And calling posters fools?

And it COMES OFF as crying. I made quite clear at the end of the post you refer to that it was meant to be read nice and slowly like Morgan Freeman was reading it. It wasn't a rant. And it was not personally calling anyone anything, but expressing my opinions which yes, can include the state of mind of posters in general when typing.

Bulldogs1974, I think you are getting nowhere trying to make this a personal thing. I think I make a pretty good point about posters who now two days later can't get over Fran walking off the court, but they are sure that in the same situation they would be nice and calm.

This, "I'd be willing to bet Fran had conversations with his bosses and the big ten office and they weren't "good job". They probably revolved around being a leader of young men.", you go right ahead and find someone to bet with. I don't know how you are going to prove your imaginary ideas of what took place are right or not, but good luck.

This isn't getting us anywhere, and clearly my thoughts in general are being taken personally, which I sure tried to NOT have that happen. So let's move on.

DanL, love your posts and commentary. Keep 'em coming.

I love irony. I always have. I remember in high school listening to Iowa fans sound off about Tom Davis's recruiting, lamenting how much it relied on Iowa kids. Two decades later, people are trumpeting Iowa's (and UNI's) commitment to getting kids in state as a dig at Iowa State. Ironic.

Today, there are fans complaining about Fran walking off the court and not shaking hands. They say he's got too much fire, too much of a temper, and his behavior is unacceptable. Hmmm. Perhaps. But it makes one wonder if these are the sample people who used to complain about Todd Lickliter's insipid affect during games. He's too apathetic. He has no fire or emotion. We want a coach who wears his heart on a sleeve and brings energy and passion.

Uh huh. Yep, irony.
 
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the Pope is the Antichrist

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DanL, love your posts and commentary. Keep 'em coming.

I love irony. I always have. I remember in high school listening to Iowa fans sound off about Tom Davis's recruiting, lamenting how much it relied on Iowa kids. Two decades later, people are trumpeting Iowa's (and UNI's) commitment to getting kids in state as a dig at Iowa State. Ironic.

Today, there are fans complaining about Fran walking off the court and not shaking hands. They say he's got too much fire, too much of a temper, and his behavior is unacceptable. Hmmm. Perhaps. But it makes one wonder if these are the sample people who used to complain about Todd Lickliter's insipid affect during games. He's too apathetic. He has no fire or emotion. We want a coach who wears his heart on a sleeve and brings energy and passion.

Uh huh. Yep, irony.

Aw, shucks. I'm just excercising my fingers on this fancy typewriter thing that I can't figure out how to put the paper in.

I don't mean to rile people up, I guess I'm just cursed with a rye wit.

We got us a game tonight! I kind of thought we'd be 9-4 after tonight. 8-5, pretty close. Maybe we'll get that 11-7 in the league after all? Only thing certain is we've got some guys who didn't drop their heads and give up after a 4-5 start.

Personal story. Three times, elementary school, junior high, and high school, I walked up to this kid who was about six inches taller and about 20 lbs bigger and punched him in the mouth. Three times. Just to see if I could match him in a fight. I got creamed each time. In fact, I'm lucky he was a nice guy or he could have crippled me.

We win tonight and Purdue is next. And though I was wrong and delinquent and violent in my youth, I hope our Hawkeyes carry that same, "punch 'em" to see what happens attitude into Mackey Arena. Tough place to play, and some great fans much like Iowa's. And they'll appreciate a team that win or lose comes to fight.
 
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I believe Dan was referring to my post in that thread where I offered an imaginary handshake.

Yes, I was confused as he used the language of my post (in a reply to me in THIS thread). I was just seeking to clear that up, but I guess all I did was ruffle some feathers. I should know my place, this board isn't "mine" after all.
 
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