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So will Wilbon have the same moral outrage tomorrow...

I walked away from this topic, and didn't respond to the "shaking hands - walking away", response that I received. But I'm about to walk back in.

  1. Walk Away. Take a breather and remove yourself from the situation that is causing you to become angry. ...
That's the first step of ten in "Anger Management". So yeah, many of the perfect humans on here who never have a reason to become angry may not ever need to do that. To which of course I say, bull hockey.

Posters who have hashed and rehashed the "unsportsmanlike conduct" of the situation? Paid"bad guys" on ESPN? I don't see any of 'em taking half the time to talk about ND's conduct.

What we have here, is a simple case of, "I'm better than Fran", and knowing the world in general at least half the posters who have communicated something to that effect know they are lying. The other half are just fooling themselves.

And I'll present my simple evidence once again. People are on here a day later STILL harping about a no harm, no foul, no suspension, no complaint from the Big Ten, action that received understanding from the opposing coach, action which Fran apologized for later, tiny blip on the radar in ND's season history of altercations with other teams...and we're supposed to believe those posters would have handled the dangers and unsportsmanlike actions of ND's players AND coaches...and would have walked right up and shook hands just because it's the polite thing to do.

Wow...what a bunch of malarkey.

It's a sad day when playing couch coach and looking for ways to criticize the guy in charge (And try to tell me there isn't a direct correlation between the 1/3rd who found that walking away was wrong, and the "usual suspects" quickest to complain about coaching and players.) is so important that ignoring a basic principle of avoiding making a tense situation worse seems the right thing to do.

I'm not disappointed in Fran. I'm disappointed with fans so quick to slam him and then not even communicate facts except those that fit their narrative. Believe me, there was a time that kind of rhetoric would be called what it was. Today, people say anything they feel like and then claim their butts are sore from the reactions. Well, sorry, but in the old days there was a little more responsibility to what a person said, and sounding dumb just to take the usual "side" wasn't normal behavior.

I know, hiding in the internet made us all invincible, so why not claim to be perfect as well?

So there. :) (If anyone finds this "one" to be disturbing, please go back and read it slow...try to pretend Morgan Freemon is reading it. Because that's the mood I typed it in...not the "attack and kill" tone any seem to want to believe they are reading. Just a sound, slow scolding for what in my view is silly behavior.
I called you out because you have said the above and act like no one could have ever coached a game. Read your above bolded (i don't care if you added read in Morgan Freeman's voice)
I have my opinion and you have yours. Difference is: i never told you that you couldn't have your opinion or what you would have done, I don't agree with what fran did but I never told you what you would have done in that situation. I know enough about myself to know that I never would have done that.
I have coached literally thousands of games and I can say with 100% confidence that I would have walked through that line after that game.
 
I called you out because you have said the above and act like no one could have ever coached a game. Read your above bolded (i don't care if you added read in Morgan Freeman's voice)
I have my opinion and you have yours. Difference is: i never told you that you couldn't have your opinion or what you would have done, I don't agree with what fran did but I never told you what you would have done in that situation. I know enough about myself to know that I never would have done that.
I have coached literally thousands of games and I can say with 100% confidence that I would have walked through that line after that game.

thousands?....plural?...wow that is a lot.
 
Just win tonight, and roll into Mackey on a winning streak. Oh look, 'Our Rivals' to open the B1G. Good chance to open 1-0. Go Hawks!!!!

Sedge
 
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You are probably thinking Tom Ryan. Brands and Barry Davis have had a good relationship. And Tom has not done anything to make Fran look like a choir boy. They are both intense coaches that have their players back. Both are great coaches that Iowa is lucky to have.

Could be right just remember it was at a Wisconsin Iowa meet 4-5 years ago and can't even remember what the dispute was about but Brands and could have been another coach got pretty heated. Just remember getting a big kick out of it how Gable like the Boss he is come out of the stands and calm them both down. Which I enjoy both Brands and Fran's fiery passion and totally agree on how Iowa is lucky to have both. You will get a moment here or there like this week but in long run think its worth it for both programs to have them as their coach.
 
It is funny how that worked. Good catch 17!
You can just tell when someone posts BS
I called you out because you have said the above and act like no one could have ever coached a game. Read your above bolded (i don't care if you added read in Morgan Freeman's voice)
I have my opinion and you have yours. Difference is: i never told you that you couldn't have your opinion or what you would have done, I don't agree with what fran did but I never told you what you would have done in that situation. I know enough about myself to know that I never would have done that.
I have coached literally thousands of games and I can say with 100% confidence that I would have walked through that line after that game.

Since you have allowed us our own opinions it would have been a mistake for you to shake hands.
 
Danl53,

It's 2016. McCaffery is the coach. Pouting off the court is unacceptable in today's ball world!
McCafferys personal opinions of how the basketball world should be is meaningless.
If he was as disgusted as he displayed, why not punch Jones out. It's a f'ing basketball game.

Then, notice next day, he apologizes. Keeping his $$$million dollar winter job.
Maybe we can get in the NIT, and have a home game in Carver.

I'm going to wrestling Nationals, instead.
Meh.
 
You can just tell when someone posts BS


Since you have allowed us our own opinions it would have been a mistake for you to shake hands.

I'm just surprised a coach with so much experience would be so quick to complain about Fran walking off the court. My experience has been coaches don't spend much time complaining about other coaches.
 
Over Grayson Allen purposely tripping an opposing player tonight?

This is the 3rd time he's done that in his Duke career.

What will Wilbon have to say about it? Since walking away from a conflict is such an act of bullying. Can't imagine how he'll view Allen's act.

Aggravated assault?
Actually it's about the 20th time, just the 3rd time he got whistled for it.
 
I meant if Coach Fran would have done the right thing... sorry, thought it was obvious. I shouldn't bother though, as I can already tell most don't wish to discuss the topic anymore... I think a lot of the Internet bad asses have slept their buzz off and realized how silly they looked 21 hours ago :D
Fran did the right thing by simply walking away from that jerk UND coaching staff. His "apology" the day after was simply contrite and likely pushed by the higher ups at Iowa.
 
I called you out because you have said the above and act like no one could have ever coached a game. Read your above bolded (i don't care if you added read in Morgan Freeman's voice)
I have my opinion and you have yours. Difference is: i never told you that you couldn't have your opinion or what you would have done, I don't agree with what fran did but I never told you what you would have done in that situation. I know enough about myself to know that I never would have done that.
I have coached literally thousands of games and I can say with 100% confidence that I would have walked through that line after that game.
I'm glad you're so high and mighty. Simply put, Fran did the right thing.
 
I can't say I wouldn't have reacted the same as fran.

The behavior of ND's coaches and players was far more egregious than not shaking hands.

Amazed that the outrage is focused on the wrong team/coach.

You'd almost think people only watched after the final buzzer.
 
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give it up. fran made a mistake and i am happy to see that he has apologized. i am sure that fran knew as soon as he walked off that court that the media would have a field day with this- instead of his team celebrating their win, all the focus would be on fran and his temper. i am sure the tough guys don't like to hear this but you don't deal with bad behavior by sinking to their level. its not easy but that's what adults do. fran is expected to win games and act in a profession manner. it is not easy but he is paid millions to do it.
So who really cares about what the Media thinks? This is the same media who tried to get an individual who should be sitting in a Federal Prison in a orange pantsuit elected President. I can't say I agree or disagree with FM's decision because I viewed the game from my TV. However, there was enough there at the end of the game to elevate one's blood pressure. None of the National Media "Mouths" attended the game. Jones needs to get a couple of his players in line. Sometimes it is best to walk away and communicate through back channels when everyone has calmed down. If Baer had rushed the ball up the court and hit 3 at the buzzer, what would the reaction of the ND players and Coaches be? We all know the answer to that question. The "Play to the End" statement would not fly.
 
So who really cares about what the Media thinks? This is the same media who tried to get an individual who should be sitting in a Federal Prison in a orange pantsuit elected President. I can't say I agree or disagree with FM's decision because I viewed the game from my TV. However, there was enough there at the end of the game to elevate one's blood pressure. None of the National Media "Mouths" attended the game. Jones needs to get a couple of his players in line. Sometimes it is best to walk away and communicate through back channels when everyone has calmed down. If Baer had rushed the ball up the court and hit 3 at the buzzer, what would the reaction of the ND players and Coaches be? We all know the answer to that question. The "Play to the End" statement would not fly.

Ugh
 
Danl53,

It's 2016. McCaffery is the coach. Pouting off the court is unacceptable in today's ball world!
McCafferys personal opinions of how the basketball world should be is meaningless.
If he was as disgusted as he displayed, why not punch Jones out. It's a f'ing basketball game.

Then, notice next day, he apologizes. Keeping his $$$million dollar winter job.
Maybe we can get in the NIT, and have a home game in Carver.

I'm going to wrestling Nationals, instead.
Good Lord, are some of you people even Iowa fans? Really he should have just punched him out, instead of walking away. OK then............
 
Danl53,

It's 2016. McCaffery is the coach. Pouting off the court is unacceptable in today's ball world!
McCafferys personal opinions of how the basketball world should be is meaningless.
If he was as disgusted as he displayed, why not punch Jones out. It's a f'ing basketball game.

Then, notice next day, he apologizes. Keeping his $$$million dollar winter job.
Maybe we can get in the NIT, and have a home game in Carver.

I'm going to wrestling Nationals, instead.

Enjoy your wrestling.
 
I like all of the posters that agree that the situation could have been handled different but would I change Fran if I could? No I sure didn't hear or read much about the ND coach could have or should have handled himself and or his players better either! Makes me wonder how many of these critics actually watched the game. When it gets crunch time I want my coach with a little fire (or more) not a (could you guys slow down so my players can catch up) coach. We have all done something or said something that we regret ( no? ask your wife or ex gf) but we get up dust our selves off and get better! Fran's team has gotten better and hopefully with more experience do even better. Most of our team was playing HS ball this time last year.
 
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