Stanley needs 5 TD's to tie Chuck Long's record
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Chuck had nowhere near the arm that Stanley has. What Chuck had was absolutely incredible timing with guys like Bill Happell. I hope BF turns him loose. Pass first, and the running game will open. I think BF is coming around to it. Certainly threw a lot on 1st down vs OSU.
I would say that Stanley has been the beneficiary of more touchdown passes around the goal line than QB's on previous teams, since I feel like we normally try to run it in. This year, it seems we've been doing a lot more passing in the red zone (I like it).
However the 22-4 ratio speaks for itself. Outstanding year for Nate, and still a ways left to go.
However the 22-4 ratio speaks for itself. Outstanding year for Nate, and still a ways left to go.
Agreed. Lots of goal line TD passes, more than usual it seems.
Amazing as much as folks have been complaining about the passing attack (right or wrong) that he's in this kind of position. Goes to show stats can be misleading.
If Iowa can move the ball against Wisconsin ... most of it will likely result from the passing game. If that happens, we can likely bank on Stanley passing for at least 1 TD (hopefully more). For reference point, Northwestern couldn't run the ball ... so Thorson had to pass for 3 TDs. Similarly, IU's struggling Lagow passed for 2 TDs against the Badgers.
Thus, as a conservative estimate, let's suppose Stanley only passes for 1 TD versus Wisconsin.
Purdue has a pretty stingy scoring D ... or at least they have, thus far, in B1G play. But pass-D isn't completely their forte. Similarly, the Huskers have the weakest D out of our final 3 opponents. Thus, even if I respect Purdue's scoring D - I still would surmise that Stanley passes for 2 TDs against them. Similarly, against the Huskers, he's probably good for another 2 passing TDs.
Thus, I'd say that conservatively Stanley likely throws for 5 TDs in the final 3 games. If he can continue to click on all cylinders ... then the estimate could be quite conservative. Thus, that would put him on track to pass for 27 TDs in the regular season (through 12 games).
Considering that Iowa's W-L record will be good but not necessarily stellar ... that suggests that we likely won't be facing a bowl foe who will completely outmatch us. Consequently, Nate should be good for a number more TDs in the bowl game too. Exciting prospect!
Thus, as a conservative estimate, let's suppose Stanley only passes for 1 TD versus Wisconsin.
Purdue has a pretty stingy scoring D ... or at least they have, thus far, in B1G play. But pass-D isn't completely their forte. Similarly, the Huskers have the weakest D out of our final 3 opponents. Thus, even if I respect Purdue's scoring D - I still would surmise that Stanley passes for 2 TDs against them. Similarly, against the Huskers, he's probably good for another 2 passing TDs.
Thus, I'd say that conservatively Stanley likely throws for 5 TDs in the final 3 games. If he can continue to click on all cylinders ... then the estimate could be quite conservative. Thus, that would put him on track to pass for 27 TDs in the regular season (through 12 games).
Considering that Iowa's W-L record will be good but not necessarily stellar ... that suggests that we likely won't be facing a bowl foe who will completely outmatch us. Consequently, Nate should be good for a number more TDs in the bowl game too. Exciting prospect!
This is true, he's had to throw down there more often. Wadley hasn't shown the ability to be a goal line back, he has five rushing TDs on the year and only one from a yard out. The others were 9, 12, 18, and 35. We only have three other rushing TDs all season by IKM and Young in garbage time. Stanley has also shown no ability to run it in himself. Rudock and Beathard combined for 18 rushing TDs by comparison the last four seasons.
I know as the years go on it is easy to forget the past, but Long most certainly had a huge arm. He could throw a deep ball effortlessly AND accurately. I like Stanley, a lot, no question at all kid is freaking awesome, but I think you need to rewatch some old games.
Iowa was moving the ball against MSU, which played the best defense against them so far, Iowa just turned it over in the Red Zone twice as I recall. If they can stay out of their own way, there is no team on the schedule that can beat them.
Chuck had it all, beautiful touch, deep ball,could sling a 30 yard line drive effortlessly.
That said, Stanley is looking very, very good!
Sorry...I watched him all those years. He could not throw a rope like Stanley. He had a lot better touch than Stanley has right now.
No...not like Stanley. Don't get me wrong, he was a great QB for us, but he never would have made the throw Stanley did with a guy draped on his leg.
And Long was a redshirt senior, Stanley is a true sophomore playing against better overall competition.
Don't get me wrong...Chuck was my childhood hero, I was Chuck Long in the backyard. But, the TD record with way less picks is more impressive to me. I bet there are a lot of Nate Stanleys in Iowa backyards this year...
Chuck's accuracy was pretty impressive. However, as a younger player, through his FIRST TWO seasons as the top QB - Chuck passed for 22 TDs and 18 INTs through 22 games!
In contrast, through 9 games, Stanley has passed for 22 TDs to just 4 INTs! Furthermore, when Iowa's running game is on point ... Stanley's completion percentage improves accordingly (because of what it does to defenses).
I believe that through the coming years, we're going to see Stanley's touch and accuracy improve ... and if he can keep up his crazy productivity ... it will be a GREAT era to be a Hawk fan!
In contrast, through 9 games, Stanley has passed for 22 TDs to just 4 INTs! Furthermore, when Iowa's running game is on point ... Stanley's completion percentage improves accordingly (because of what it does to defenses).
I believe that through the coming years, we're going to see Stanley's touch and accuracy improve ... and if he can keep up his crazy productivity ... it will be a GREAT era to be a Hawk fan!
Actually the stats are not misleading. Stanley has played very well, and with poise. After the first quarter of game one, he's played pretty solid, and has improved with experience. Whats misleading are the folks that have complained about his play. Certainly some of his struggles, MSU, NW for example, had as much to do with he and the receivers being on the same page, and doing their jobs. Look at the OSU game. WR's and TE's caught everything, even the ones that were still smoking when they hit their hands. If this group continues to progress as a unit, we'll really have something.
I think that the complaints about the passing game would arguably relate more to game-plans and play-calling rather than heaping (crap) on Stanley. More fans wanted to see us pass more regularly on 1st down. However, what those same folks don't realize is the 3-fold problem that ... ONE, Wirfs was a new starter .... so consequently we needed to ease him into things schematically ... TWO, our running game was still under-developed ... so we needed to improve our offensive balance ... and THREE, for 1st down passing to be truly effective, it needs to be breaking tendency ... so how can 1st down passing be breaking tendency if we're NOT still running the ball a lot on early downs!?
Of course, Stanley and our O have made plenty of mistakes ... and they're not going to deny that. Thus, in prior games, our passing game has merited some targeted criticism. However, as you also rightly indicate ... our passing game is also doing a lot of things right too! Our passing game has targeted ISM, Easley, Fant, and Hockenson A LOT ... and all those guys are relatively new in our program! To rely so heavily on new guys ... and have those guys PRODUCE ... that's pretty impressive! It's all the more impressive considering the injuries we've had on the OL, the struggles of our running game, and the overall youth of Stanley.
The supposedly crazy poster "nitewing" called this after the Wyoming game. It seemed utterly premature and I thought he was just a black-and-gold homer, but he was right about Stanley having a shot to break the record. Gotta give credit where it's due.
What was striking about that Wyoming game was that the last time Iowa had a fundamental change in scheme (in '12), a veteran SR QB passed for only 7 TDs! Iowa had just gone from a season where we passed for under 2000 yards and we only managed to pull of 17 TD passes because Beathard was so experienced. Entering the '17 season ... we not only had an inexperienced true soph for a QB ... but he was also trying to execute a new O. Thus, passing for 3 TDs in his first game ... that was pretty impressive. Furthermore, it was rather unprecedented given the opening performances of most new starting Iowa QBs.
I agree, but to be able to project 3 TDs in the first game to a chance to break Chuck Long's record? That's some serious premonition. I thought Stanley had the tools, but I also thought he'd have too many ups and downs throughout the season. He has progressed much more quickly than I think anyone except for maybe you and nitewing thought. I doubt even Stanley believed he'd have a shot at that record before the season. Probably the last thing on his mind.
Guess it does include the bowl game, even so Stanley will have an extra game to do it.
that 12 season saw Iowa lose 4 OL for the season due to injuries as well as losing 2 RB's which meant the coaches had to go to a walk on FB to be the starting RB, that team had so many injuries it came as no surprise as to how it turned out. in 2013 Scherff returned from his broken leg to his starting job at LT, 4* Blythe started at Center, 4* Walsh started at RG another OL that came back from injury, the OL settled in and JR did this in his 1st year as a Starter under GD, 2383 Yards, 18 TD's and 13 INT's then when Scherff was a SR and Donnal were the starters at LT and RT, JR had these for stats
2436 yards 16 TD's with 5 INT's
this team is following that season and 2008 season. in developing the talent. now its going to be interesting to see just how much better this group can get.
Wirfs was a US Army AA and is starting
Epenesa was a US Army AA and is having a very good year backing up 3rd year starter in Hesse.
Hankin was a North South Game AA and is the backup to Jackson
Manell was a Blue Grey Game AA and is RS'ing
in the 2018 class DT Linderbaum is a US Army Game AA,
think about that Epenesa lining up DE and Linderbaum at DT next to each other.
that will make 3 US Army AA's in 2 years.
2436 yards 16 TD's with 5 INT's
this team is following that season and 2008 season. in developing the talent. now its going to be interesting to see just how much better this group can get.
Wirfs was a US Army AA and is starting
Epenesa was a US Army AA and is having a very good year backing up 3rd year starter in Hesse.
Hankin was a North South Game AA and is the backup to Jackson
Manell was a Blue Grey Game AA and is RS'ing
in the 2018 class DT Linderbaum is a US Army Game AA,
think about that Epenesa lining up DE and Linderbaum at DT next to each other.
that will make 3 US Army AA's in 2 years.
So in a sense he needs to throw either five or six TDs the next two games to break Chuck's record. (I've seen different stats showing him with either 22 or 23 TDs right now). I could deal with that. I hope he throws five against UW this weekend.
Kind of OT but it looks like AW is knocking on the door of the top 5 all time rushing yards if he can get 100 plus yards and Josey is just 9 tackles from 400 passing James Morris and 25 behind Chad Greenway in top 5.
In addition to having at least one extra game, Stanley also threw an OT TD vs ISU, which obviously wasn't possible when Long played. Those extra OT stats can kind of skew a lot of numbers when comparing game, season, and career records over the years.
I think Wadley is still 236 away from the fifth spot (Fred Russell, 2570), not that it wouldn't be nice to get it this week! Tavian for fourth at 2977 is probably a reach at this point without a Melvin Gordon-like game vs Nebraska.
I think Wadley is still 236 away from the fifth spot (Fred Russell, 2570), not that it wouldn't be nice to get it this week! Tavian for fourth at 2977 is probably a reach at this point without a Melvin Gordon-like game vs Nebraska.
Stanley needs to just toss 6 TD passes Saturday so we can move past Chuck Longs record, then Stanley can coast the remainder of the year. LOL
