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I really wish he would get a chance to play in a few games in the regular season. One of my favorite Hawks. The kid was a winner.
 
His best shot was his first year with the Chiefs. Still can't believe he never got a shot over Tyler Palko. Not like the Chiefs were going anywhere that season. Pats are my team though so hopefully he can stick.
 
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You never know, his persistence may pay off. Tom Terrific is just that, however, his
Age has to be a factor, eventually.
 
I'm still shocked Brian Hoyer has been given multiple chances at starting in the NFL, but Stanzi has never even seen a snap in the regular season.
Agreed, Rick is good enough to be a backup QB in the NFL and play in certain situations like when the outcome of the game is no longer in doubt. I would like to see him land in Denver. Right now the broncos do not have a starting QB.
 
I'm still shocked Brian Hoyer has been given multiple chances at starting in the NFL, but Stanzi has never even seen a snap in the regular season.

Brian Hoyer finished the season with a 91 passer rating and 19 TDs to 7 INTs. At worst he's one of the better back-up QBs in the league. Bad example.
 
Free agent QB Ricky Stanzi visited the Patriots. A 2011 fifth-round pick, Stanzi spent last year on Detroit's practice squad. The Patriots could add him as a No. 3 quarterback behind Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo.

Got to hand it to Rick, he's still lingering around the NFL after 5 years.
The Americanzi goes to the Patriots? It's almost like fate. Him and Brady actually had very similar careers in college.
 
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Brian Hoyer finished the season with a 91 passer rating and 19 TDs to 7 INTs. At worst he's one of the better back-up QBs in the league. Bad example.

My comment had less to do with how Hoyer played this year and more to do with the fact that Hoyer had a pretty bad senior season at MSU, went undrafted, and is listed at only 6' 2". Most slightly undersized, undrafted QB's don't get multiple chances to start for different teams. Moreover, before this past season he had played for three different teams without much success.

Stanzi wasn't drafted high, but he was still drafted, was more productive in college, and has better size than Hoyer. I'm not saying Stanzi is a better QB, or even that he would have been a better QB if given the same opportunities. I just find it peculiar that someone with Hoyer's pedigree has been given more chances by more teams than someone with Stanzi's pedigree.
 
All depends on where you end up and what that staff does to give you the chance to play.

You're absolutely right, and in a way, this makes Stanzi's lack of snaps in the regular season even more surprising. The Chiefs drafted Stanzi in 2011 when their starting QB was Matt Cassel, who had already begun to be terrible. Their backup was Tyler Palko, who had went undrafted and was even worse. They traded for Kyle Orton mid-season who was only a rental.

The next season (2012), the Chiefs stuck with Cassel until he finally proved he was terrible by posting a 66.7 QB rating, and benched him for Brady Quinn - a retread QB without success at any organization who proceeded to throw 2 TD's compared to 8 interceptions.

Stanzi seemed to be drafted into a perfect situation as the Chiefs had a good defense and no QB, but somehow he was never given a chance to even take a regular season snap. This seems to indicate an indictment of how Stanzi looked in practice. However, at the NFL-level, it seems teams never know what they have with a QB until they see him play in game action. The Patriots didn't know what they had in Tom Brady until Drew Bledsoe got hurt. The Rams didn't know what they had with Kurt Warner until Trent Green got hurt. I'm definitely not trying to make the case that Stanzi was the next Brady or Warner - I use those examples to show that the QB position is extremely unpredictable, and I'm surprised the Chiefs organization spent a 5th round pick on Stanzi and never even tested him in a game when they had nothing to lose in the following two seasons.
 
I'm no scout but I thought Stanzi could make every throw. And he was a winner, with that intangible drive and leadership. Would have loved to see him given a chance. I mean how bad could he have been that the Chiefs never even gave him a sniff?
 
The lack of opportunity for Stanzi is a reflection of the coaching staffs he's been with more so than it is a reflection of Stanzi. As noted, had Green not gotten hurt, Kurt Warner would have been another Stanzi. It's that simple. Nobody, no matter how talented, no matter what field, can succeed without opportunity.

And in most cases, you can't evaluate a player accurately on practice alone. Some guys are awesome practice players--and Hawkeye fans could name a few--but they wilt when the bright lights are on. And some guys don't show much in practice, but the bright lights turn them into different players. Which is why some of us still don't forgive KF for choosing a starting QB a couple years back based on practice alone.

BTW: Stanzi was a better college QB than Kirk Cousins, too, but Cousins has been given NFL opportunities Stanzi has not. Bottom line: You never can be sure what a guy can or cannot do until you give him a chance. Doing so will either confirm your judgment or not. But it's the right and fair thing to do for everyone involved. Maybe Stanzi's opportunity will show up yet.
 
It amazing that all these guys in Iowa, who havent seen Stanzi play since 2010, know more about Rick's ability then NFL coaching staffs
I certainly would make any claims about how it would have gone, but I also found it odd that he never got an opportunity in those first couple years in KC. Their QB play was so bad that it didn't make sense to me not to give a guy who is sitting around collecting paychecks a chance to see what he could do.
The fact that he is still hanging around the league surprises me. I assumed he was done after not being given an opportunity in those circumstances.
 
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Call me crazy....He never looked like nfl talent to me.....for 4 quarters a game, at least.
Now, if he could only play the 4th quarter.....then he might be an HOFer :)
 
KC had a garbage o-line and not many receivers if worth Ricky's first 2 years.
I remember Stanzi's first two preseason games. It was basically a full-on blitz by the defense just about every play and more often than not, the Chiefs' 2nd and 3rd string OL was too fat and slow to give anyone with the ball even a second to do anything before they were running for their lives in the backfield. So neither RBs nor QBs would look good in those situations.
 
You're absolutely right, and in a way, this makes Stanzi's lack of snaps in the regular season even more surprising. The Chiefs drafted Stanzi in 2011 when their starting QB was Matt Cassel, who had already begun to be terrible. Their backup was Tyler Palko, who had went undrafted and was even worse. They traded for Kyle Orton mid-season who was only a rental.

The next season (2012), the Chiefs stuck with Cassel until he finally proved he was terrible by posting a 66.7 QB rating, and benched him for Brady Quinn - a retread QB without success at any organization who proceeded to throw 2 TD's compared to 8 interceptions.

Stanzi seemed to be drafted into a perfect situation as the Chiefs had a good defense and no QB, but somehow he was never given a chance to even take a regular season snap. This seems to indicate an indictment of how Stanzi looked in practice. However, at the NFL-level, it seems teams never know what they have with a QB until they see him play in game action. The Patriots didn't know what they had in Tom Brady until Drew Bledsoe got hurt. The Rams didn't know what they had with Kurt Warner until Trent Green got hurt. I'm definitely not trying to make the case that Stanzi was the next Brady or Warner - I use those examples to show that the QB position is extremely unpredictable, and I'm surprised the Chiefs organization spent a 5th round pick on Stanzi and never even tested him in a game when they had nothing to lose in the following two seasons.
I followed the season hoping to see Rick play....coach was a freaking idiot. Ridiculous he didn't get a shot.
Nothing to lose other than the coaches pride. Reminded me of another coach I know.
 
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I'm amazed that he's been able to hang around the league as long as he has.
Good for him to be able to make money. And not taking hits on a regular basis.
 
Who made such a claim? I must have missed it.

Since you didnt read the thread here are the cliffnotes:

" Rick is good enough to be a backup QB in the NFL "- NevadaHawk
"I thought Stanzi could make every throw. I mean how bad could he have been that the Chiefs never even gave him a sniff?"
"Kurt Warner= Stanzi"
"Stanzi > Kirk Cousins"
 
Since you didnt read the thread here are the cliffnotes:

I did read the thread. However, I did not set up straw-man arguments like you did.

" Rick is good enough to be a backup QB in the NFL "- NevadaHawk

Well, he was on the Lions practice roster last year and the Patriots are now giving him an opportunity. I'm not sure why NevadaHawk's opinion should be considered out of line, or how it suggests that he thinks he knows more than NFL coaches.


"I thought Stanzi could make every throw. I mean how bad could he have been that the Chiefs never even gave him a sniff?"

Again, I don't interpret this statement to mean the author thought he knew more than NFL coaches. Stanzi had a good arm, which is why the Chiefs drafted him. Moreover, the author expressly asks the question of how bad Stanzi must have been in order for the Chiefs not to give him a chance to take a regular season snap. We don't know what Stanzi looked like in practice - hence the question.


"Kurt Warner= Stanzi"

Which post are you attributing this to? I was the first to bring up Warner, but I assume you are not attributing this to me because within my post I also said: "I'm definitely not trying to make the case that Stanzi was the next Brady or Warner."

Thus, I assume you attribute it to aristotleiowa's post where he said "As noted, had Green not gotten hurt, Kurt Warner would have been another Stanzi." If this is true, then you have clearly set up a straw-man argument because he was not saying Stanzi is as good as Warner. The point he was making is that had Warner never received a chance to take a snap in the NFL, none of us would know who he is - and Warner only got a chance to play because another player got hurt.


"Stanzi > Kirk Cousins"

This surely must be targeted at aristotleiowa's post as well where he said "Stanzi was a better college QB than Kirk Cousins, too, but Cousins has been given NFL opportunities Stanzi has not." Notice, however, that he said Stanzi was a better college QB than Cousins - he did not say that Stanzi is, or would have been, a better NFL QB than Cousins.

In this instance, I disagree with aristotleiowa's assertion, because I think Cousins was just as productive as Stanzi was in college, and Cousins was also drafted higher (4th round vs. 5th round). At the same time, just because I disagree with the assertion does not mean I will interpret it to mean something beyond what the author intended. He never claimed to know more about Stanzi's ability than the NFL coaches who have seen him. The thesis of his whole post was that nobody really knows what they have with a QB until they give him a chance to play in a real game. I don't find that assertion to be unreasonable.

In summary, you answer should have been nobody - nobody in this thread has claimed to know more about Stanzi's abilities than NFL coaches.
 
KC had a garbage o-line and not many receivers if worth Ricky's first 2 years.

This. Apart from two drives in his first preseason game, the Chiefs o-line were basically turnstiles. Every play was "snap and scramble like hell from the human avalanche of D-lineman". Yet he still turned a few plays into positive yards. Palko over Stanzi was a joke.
 
I did read the thread. However, I did not set up straw-man arguments like you did.



Well, he was on the Lions practice roster last year and the Patriots are now giving him an opportunity. I'm not sure why NevadaHawk's opinion should be considered out of line, or how it suggests that he thinks he knows more than NFL coaches.




Again, I don't interpret this statement to mean the author thought he knew more than NFL coaches. Stanzi had a good arm, which is why the Chiefs drafted him. Moreover, the author expressly asks the question of how bad Stanzi must have been in order for the Chiefs not to give him a chance to take a regular season snap. We don't know what Stanzi looked like in practice - hence the question.




Which post are you attributing this to? I was the first to bring up Warner, but I assume you are not attributing this to me because within my post I also said: "I'm definitely not trying to make the case that Stanzi was the next Brady or Warner."

Thus, I assume you attribute it to aristotleiowa's post where he said "As noted, had Green not gotten hurt, Kurt Warner would have been another Stanzi." If this is true, then you have clearly set up a straw-man argument because he was not saying Stanzi is as good as Warner. The point he was making is that had Warner never received a chance to take a snap in the NFL, none of us would know who he is - and Warner only got a chance to play because another player got hurt.




This surely must be targeted at aristotleiowa's post as well where he said "Stanzi was a better college QB than Kirk Cousins, too, but Cousins has been given NFL opportunities Stanzi has not." Notice, however, that he said Stanzi was a better college QB than Cousins - he did not say that Stanzi is, or would have been, a better NFL QB than Cousins.

In this instance, I disagree with aristotleiowa's assertion, because I think Cousins was just as productive as Stanzi was in college, and Cousins was also drafted higher (4th round vs. 5th round). At the same time, just because I disagree with the assertion does not mean I will interpret it to mean something beyond what the author intended. He never claimed to know more about Stanzi's ability than the NFL coaches who have seen him. The thesis of his whole post was that nobody really knows what they have with a QB until they give him a chance to play in a real game. I don't find that assertion to be unreasonable.

In summary, you answer should have been nobody - nobody in this thread has claimed to know more about Stanzi's abilities than NFL coaches.

So are you trying to say that since his post is incredibly inaccurate unless something changes it was a bad post? Lol
 
Great news. Stanzi is one of my favorite Iowa QB's ever, right next to Drew Tate. I wish I could see him on the Steelers, but I guess as long as he'll have a chance to play for a professional team, I'm happy for him. Loved the way he played and his attitude.
 
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