That goes down as a neutral site loss for Iowa and a neutral site win for Penn State according to kenpom. That’s really really dumb from a team sheet standpoint. Hopefully stays as a quad 1 loss..
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How about we play Penn State at a neutral site in Iowa, say, Des Moines
No shitHow about we play Penn State at a neutral site in Iowa, say, Des Moines
There’s a long conference season to go. We are running out of healthy bodies so this could go south anytime.
Appreciate the gritty effort of this team which showed again today.
Appreciate the gritty effort of this team which showed again today.
How about we play Penn State at a neutral site in Iowa, say, Des Moines
Forget that. US Cellular Center in CR or Liberty High would work too.
The Palestra is about 200 miles from Penn State's campus. Just trying to find somewhere in Iowa outside of 100 miles from Iowa City.
Are you worried PSU drops out of the top 50?
Also KenPom is one thing. Does NET consider it neutral? That's what matters. Either way probably irrelevant as it should be Q1 either way.
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I don't know about all this kenpom and NET stuff, but just like with replay and "indisputable" evidence, anyone who says that game was played on a "neutral" court needs a dictionary that includes the word "neutral." IMHO.
We'll never know for sure, but I think if we played this game at the morgue known as the Jordan Center on PSU's campus, we win the game.
After the game, Chambers said, "They call Penn State a football school, but these fans tell me it's a basketball school too."
Yeah. And you only had to go 200 miles off campus to find any PSU basketball fans. If Iowa plays that game in Happy Valley, the 2000 home fans would have left when the Hawkeyes got a 6 point lead. The Philly environment was a far greater home court advantage than the poorly attended games in Bryce-Jordan.
That was a home game for PSU. They choose to play it in a town where someone actually cares about basketball. It was a very good Big Ten game that got just a bit of predictable home cooking down the stretch.
Yeah. And you only had to go 200 miles off campus to find any PSU basketball fans. If Iowa plays that game in Happy Valley, the 2000 home fans would have left when the Hawkeyes got a 6 point lead. The Philly environment was a far greater home court advantage than the poorly attended games in Bryce-Jordan.
That was a home game for PSU. They choose to play it in a town where someone actually cares about basketball. It was a very good Big Ten game that got just a bit of predictable home cooking down the stretch.
The only saving grace in playing this game at The Palestra was that it further conditioned the team to play in a hostile environment that wouldn't have been realized in Happy Valley. We have / will get that in many venues.
Even so, I'm with the OP; it was a stupid decision. We gave an advantage away to PSU. Pretty clear to me.
Even so, I'm with the OP; it was a stupid decision. We gave an advantage away to PSU. Pretty clear to me.
That's only one element of the equation. We gave PSU a very hostile, raucous environment that we didn't need to just so Fran could re-live his youth and alma mater. Happy Valley is a morgue and IA may have won, for sure they had a much better chance.
Dumb decision by the Iowa Administration / Coaching Staff.
Meh, bring a big 10 game to des moines in the middle of winter! we'll blow you out the water!!
I am not sure Iowa even had a say in the location. Do you have reason to believe they did?
I remember the one NIT game in Moline, due to CHA not being available, but were there others?
I was going by the comment by Chambers saying something to the effect that “Fran agreed to it” or “didn’t mind” or “was okay with it” - don’t remember the exact words. Which of course means nothing really.
Another poster in another thread indicated the same as you, IA really didn’t have a choice. It’s a PSU home game and they can play it where they want to effectively.
I may very well be incorrect on this one.
This is the only one I know of...but I can guarantee you that if they played a regular BIG game in the QC...the atmosphere would be EPIC!!!!!
So many cry babies. So what if the game is held in Philly or Des Moines. If the teams can't overcome crowd noise then maybe they aren't good enough.
Get over the excuses. PSU is a good team and the Hawks played tough.
Fran and staff also recruits the East coast so it's better to play off campus.
If the Hawks win the game I can hear the praises how it was a great idea to play in Philly and get the exposure.
Get over the excuses. PSU is a good team and the Hawks played tough.
Fran and staff also recruits the East coast so it's better to play off campus.
If the Hawks win the game I can hear the praises how it was a great idea to play in Philly and get the exposure.
It wasn't a dumb decision, Iowa would have come away with a win if it wasn't for the horrible conditions that effected Iowa more then Penn St. They had more bodies to rest players and thinking back to when Stevens and Watkins left the game with 4 fouls that was more of a plus for Penn St then we thought.
That alone gave them an edge when those 2 came back into the game late in the 2nd half well rested and full of energy, something Iowa was clearly out of....
Students still wouldn’t show up.How about we play Penn State at a neutral site in Iowa, say, Des Moines
So how was that not a dumb decision?
Now whether Iowa had the decision to make in the first place seems to be in question.
Well Fran has zero recruits from Philly despite it being his home town. Doubt that is going to change after this game.
If anything, the game helped PSU get more legitimacy as instate option. PSU does have a number of Philly guys on their team. I don't know if Fran had a choice on location. Since it ended up being a hothouse, slippery, and a loss vs playing in a morgue, it does seem like a mistake if did Fran have an input. It was easier trip for Garza and JoeT families distance wise.
I know. Were these posters whining about this before the game? Do they think Iowa is the only team who has done something like this? Probably the same people that always spout about the media hating Iowa.
Penn State beat Michigan State there Jan 7, 2017 by a score of 72-63. That Tom Izzo must be stupid.
Iowa or MSU or any other school has little to no say in the matter. It wasn’t so that Fran could relive his old glories and it certainly had zero to do with having an easier trip for Garza’s or Toussaint’s families. It’s beyond clear that some of you have an agenda here and will spare no stupidity to further it.
Iowa or MSU or any other school has little to no say in the matter. It wasn’t so that Fran could relive his old glories and it certainly had zero to do with having an easier trip for Garza’s or Toussaint’s families. It’s beyond clear that some of you have an agenda here and will spare no stupidity to further it.
I was over the top on my comment - as opposed to your very lucid, well thought out post quoted above I might sarcastically add - especially the comment on "Fran re-living his youth and alma mater".
I'm actually a fan of Fran believe it or not and think he's done a pretty good job for the Hawks all things considered.
It was a disadvantage to play at The Palestra rather than Happy Valley but recognize now that IA may not have had a choice in the matter. In fact, I say that very thing in a post made earlier this morning (post #19 if you're so inclined to go back and read it).
Peace out!
Hawkeyes played the Leathernecks at the Mark twice and nearly lost one of them.
My post was short, sweet, and to the point. I’m not sure what else you’d like me to say when you make stupid comments. I will give you credit for being outdone by HawkLogic though.
You were told last night in the “Basketball in Philly” thread and still question it this morning. (See post #24) Somehow believing the B1G/BTN was behind this decision. This was solely PSU’s idea and decision. As said before, not their first time playing there.
With students on break, I would be 100% fine playing an early January game at a "neutral site" close to Iowa. Let's pack the Sanford Pentagon again.
Fran played home games at the Palestra for 2 years as a college player a Penn. Chambers brought up the possibility of playing at the Palestra to Fran, and after some conversations back and forth, Fran agreed to move the game to Philly so his sons could experience playing in the same gym as he did as a college player. What's so wrong with that, it didn't work out in a win but the whole team got to experience playing in a historic facility.
Iowa played great under the extreme circumstances, came up just short. but in the long run, Iowa may have indeed found a point guard that Iowa fans have been clambering for since..... forever.
Iowa was never going to win the whole enchilada or even the BIG this year, and because of injuries to key players, the reluctance of others or the inability of others to improve their games, Iowa is walking a tightrope of relevance in the standings going forward. They could finish anywhere between 12th or as high as 4th if the roster doesn't take anymore hits or injuries. It's a long season and players bodies wear down as the season rolls alone. It's natural.
Garza as good as he has been this season he is an injury away from ending his season. He's every opponents punching bag. I really don't know how he continues to bounce back time and time again.
We can only hope he can last the season and then decide he wants to come back and do it all over again.
Well it was short and to the point, not sure how sweet it was
Too funny going back to another thread to dig that out. It's not that big of deal really. Just because another poster, who may or may not know, states that it's solely PSU's decision, doesn't make it so. To suggest that the B1G Administration / BTN television money (and the corresponding hype resulting in higher viewership in playing this game in Philly rather than Happy Valley) isn't a factor in scheduling decisions is naive.
This is more along the lines that I and other posters are thinking occurred. It was a great narrative for yesterday's game and a lot of fun for college hoops fans.
To answer your question though on "what's wrong with that?"; the downside is what many have already stated - IA played in worse playing conditions (exacerbated by a banged up team with a very short bench & rotation) and in a more hostile environment than if they played in Happy Valley - thus giving away an advantage that they otherwise would have had. This is way too competitive and high major basketball environment to be giving away an advantage like that.
IF Iowa even had a say in the matter. I don't know, I'm not sure anybody on this board does actually.
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Well it was short and to the point, not sure how sweet it was
Too funny going back to another thread to dig that out. It's not that big of deal really. Just because another poster, who may or may not know, states that it's solely PSU's decision, doesn't make it so. To suggest that the B1G Administration / BTN television money (and the corresponding hype resulting in higher viewership in playing this game in Philly rather than Happy Valley) isn't a factor in scheduling decisions is naive.
Too funny? Not sure how funny it was reading your posts last night. It wasn’t really all that much digging as both posts were at the top of the board. I thought once Legend informed you that Iowa had little to no say in the site, that was the end of it with you. Guess not. Penn St is the home team and they can pick the venue within reason. There is nothing in the B1G rules saying a game must be played on campus. PSU got Iowa’s blessing. That is much different than needing Iowa’s blessing.
Once again, just because you and another poster says so in a message board forum thread; doesn't make it so. It may be the case but myself (and others evidently but don't want to speak for them) aren't so sure. All you have to do is read the posts above (and a few other threads) to see the dissension on that point.
I'd also suggest focusing on the argument, not the poster. I submit it takes a very simple mind to resort to primitive name calling such as "you are an idiot". Not much substance there let's face it.
Sincere question, do you have a link to the regulation? I looked around on the web and couldn't find it.
Geez people, Frannie signed off of it. The game was played and Iowa lost by 3. Being butt hurt, is really a bitch. Iowa might have lost at Happy Valley or even if C.J. had been able to play both half's, but then again we'll never know, will we?
Next game is Tuesday, it might be beneficial for all of us to move on and turn our attention to Nebraska. I'm sure the players and coaches have...
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Yes, it was Neutral for NET. Also, because it was neutral it does not impact our road record on our team sheet, which remains at 2-1.
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