Sumlin To Be Fired After Going 51-25 @ A&M
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I don't blame A&M for wanting more than an 8-5 record every year
Jesus the guy won 8+ games every season. The SEC has some real delusional fans down there. Yes Alabama is king and they are one of the greatest dynasties in college sports. But damn winning 8 games gets you fired.
What happens when the next guy only wins4-5 games a year?
What happens when the next guy only wins4-5 games a year?
Wonder if he does better?
Not even something you considered?
Cooper had the same winning % as Sumlin and yet OSU wanted more and the subsequent hires both achieved it.
Name me one school in D1 that doesn't. ALL fan bases want "more". Including Alabama.
I remember when Hayden Fry was on the old ESPN half hour show "Sports Look" with Roy Firestone, during the run-up to his last Rose Bowl, and the conversation turned to expectations. Firestone played a clip from Lou Holtz about his first few years at ND. Paraphrasing...
Our 1st year at ND, we went 5-6, 5 losses by 19 total points. The boosters told me "we're sorry, you're not very smart. We want you to have a winning record." So, the next year ND went 8-4, went to the Cotton Bowl, best year in several seasons. They then said "sorry, you're still not very smart. We want you to win every game." Our 3rd year, we go 12-0 and win the national championship. They then said "no, you're still not very smart at all. We want you to win every game BIG."
I have one question for A&M fans. Every game, someone wins, someone loses. In your division, you have Arkansas (who appears to be canning Bertie Boy), Ole Miss (who will also be looking for a new head coach), Mississippi State, LSU, Auburn and Alabama.
If you fire Sumlin, who exactly are you going to get as a new head coach that's going to win that division to the levels of frequency that will satisfy the fans, administration, alumni and boosters?
There's a bunch of other programs, who also all tend to believe that "all it takes is getting the right coach in" that are going to be looking for coaches...and if you ask me, there ain't exactly that many great "over the hump" coaches out there looking to make a move, let alone coaches willing to go to THEIR school.
So...my question is, who are you (A&M) going to get that is going to get you over the hump in arguably the most competitive division in college football?
Texas A&M is one of the top 5 gigs in college football:
In state talent
SEC conference
Unlimited amount of money
One of the top facilities & stadiums in the nation
In state talent
SEC conference
Unlimited amount of money
One of the top facilities & stadiums in the nation
Johnny Football made Texas A&M fans delusional they are not a 10 win program.
A & M might be one of the top 5 in the SEC, but not nationwide. OSU, PSU, UM in the Big Ten, OU and UT in the Big 12, USC in the PAC 12, Clemson and maybe FSU in the ACC along with Bama, Auburn, Flordis, Georgia in the SEC. I like Sumlin but it’s a tough job with little margin for error.
Or there's Wisconsin that changes coaches every other year and doesn't miss a beat.
Not possible, coaching changes only result in complete disaster.
Top Gigs:
Texas (only negative is the possibility of the Big 12 going away)
Texas A&M
Florida
Florida State
Miami
USC
UCLA (no stadium on campus)
Alabama
Georgia
Ohio State
Penn State
Michigan
Texas (only negative is the possibility of the Big 12 going away)
Texas A&M
Florida
Florida State
Miami
USC
UCLA (no stadium on campus)
Alabama
Georgia
Ohio State
Penn State
Michigan
They are going after Jimbo Fisher. AD has worked with Fisher at LSU. FSU mod said could offer him 5 year, $40 mil guaranteed contract. Auburn will most likely as well when Mahlzan goes to Arkansas.
I don't blame Alabama for wanting more than an 11-1 record every year. Fire that bastard if he can't go undefeated every year. I don't blame Illinois for wanting more than a 3-8 record every year! Get a new coach...oops they did, and how's that working out?
I don't blame any team for wanting a better record year in and year out than they have, so they should just all fire their coaches every couple years? Without looking, who was the national champs in 2002? Hurry! In other words, who fricken cares. It all means nothing in the grand scheme of life. But most of this is driven by schools with big boosters who pay recruits big money to make them happy. If they fail, they blame the coach. I'm happy we don't have this issue at Iowa.
Saban has made life miserable for SEC coaches, especially in the West. A bunch of fan bases with very little patience and a new gold standard that can't reasonably be matched.
As for Sumlin and aTm, partially a victim of his 1st-year success. Rode Johnny Football in '12, but hasn't matched that success, and has taken some beatings at the hands of the Tide. Difficult situation for sure, but if you're a team in the SEC West and you're used to winning, you need to do what you think is necessary to reach 'Bama's level, or at least do something to show you're trying.
As for Sumlin and aTm, partially a victim of his 1st-year success. Rode Johnny Football in '12, but hasn't matched that success, and has taken some beatings at the hands of the Tide. Difficult situation for sure, but if you're a team in the SEC West and you're used to winning, you need to do what you think is necessary to reach 'Bama's level, or at least do something to show you're trying.
Ive been hearing Jimbo Fisher. FSU and Jimbo have issues and they both want to part ways.
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