Sunday's Results
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Well Suriano wrestles a lot like Nico and Gillman always had a hard time with him.
Gman will have to attack and score in first period not let him hang around he can be a bore to watch with his defense does not really try many offensive moves waits for the other guy to make a mistake. If Gman can get a early take down I think he can maybe get a major work him over on top. Just my thoughts.
Gman will have to attack and score in first period not let him hang around he can be a bore to watch with his defense does not really try many offensive moves waits for the other guy to make a mistake. If Gman can get a early take down I think he can maybe get a major work him over on top. Just my thoughts.
I love how PD2 says he "trained" as an engineer. Doesn't say he is one - maybe the math got too hard sophomore year.
Your memory is poor. In his true frosh season, Zain bonused at a 42% clip. Last year, he bonused at an 89% clip. Suriano most closely resembles Retherford imo. Great ride and learning offense (playing conservative) against the elite at the weight as a true freshman. Beats lesser guys handily.
My mistake. I thought I was on the HR not the BWI.
Speaking of Sunday results...does anyone know how to access the brackets from the Journeymen? I searched the Flo website and came up empty. Does Flo require a membership just to look up brackets & results?
I like it that we you guys have come together for the betterment of wrestling and combined the Hawk site with BWI. Way to reach out and find common ground.
I like talking Hawk wrestling. Wish you guys would start your season already...
Sorry to disappoint. The Hawks season doesn't start until Midlands.
Here's some highlight takeaways I had from Journeyman for anyone interested:
1. Anthony Valencia is not a title contender. He won a match in OT and lost to the WVU kid 6-5. He is terrible on the mat and is admittedly a two trick pony on his feet. Seems that he has already been scouted/figured out.
2. Zahid Valencia is slick as can be, but if you put a lot of pressure against him his lungs are not very tough. The match he had with Ramos (11-10 Zahid final score) was crazy. Absolutely dominated by Zahid until the 3rd period. Noticing a theme with ASU and their conditioning.
3. Hayes of tOSU looked good in the first period against Kevin Jack but then got throttled after that. He may be a fringe AA and will rack up at least a bonus win or two at NCAA's just because of how tough he is on top, but Jack looked to be on another level IMO. I don't know why any coach would tell a kid to take bottom against Jack. Iffy decision at best (final score was 6-0).
4. Micah Jordan is the real deal. His matches seem to follow the same theme of take down, take down, take down. He is definitely in the top tier of talent at 149 this season at a weight that is much more reasonable on his body. Still not turning guys much unless he horses them over, so I don't think he's going to be racking up many pins or techs come NCAA's.
5. Minnesota is struggling with their middle weights. I don't think Stroker has improved much (if at all) in his time at Minnesota. I thought Short would fall off in D1 when I saw him wrestle his senior year. He's a kid who matured early and won close matches. Not much has changed.
1. Anthony Valencia is not a title contender. He won a match in OT and lost to the WVU kid 6-5. He is terrible on the mat and is admittedly a two trick pony on his feet. Seems that he has already been scouted/figured out.
2. Zahid Valencia is slick as can be, but if you put a lot of pressure against him his lungs are not very tough. The match he had with Ramos (11-10 Zahid final score) was crazy. Absolutely dominated by Zahid until the 3rd period. Noticing a theme with ASU and their conditioning.
3. Hayes of tOSU looked good in the first period against Kevin Jack but then got throttled after that. He may be a fringe AA and will rack up at least a bonus win or two at NCAA's just because of how tough he is on top, but Jack looked to be on another level IMO. I don't know why any coach would tell a kid to take bottom against Jack. Iffy decision at best (final score was 6-0).
4. Micah Jordan is the real deal. His matches seem to follow the same theme of take down, take down, take down. He is definitely in the top tier of talent at 149 this season at a weight that is much more reasonable on his body. Still not turning guys much unless he horses them over, so I don't think he's going to be racking up many pins or techs come NCAA's.
5. Minnesota is struggling with their middle weights. I don't think Stroker has improved much (if at all) in his time at Minnesota. I thought Short would fall off in D1 when I saw him wrestle his senior year. He's a kid who matured early and won close matches. Not much has changed.
I'd be careful writing off freshmen.
Lungs often improve throughout the year.
I saw Early struggled at 165 in Ames and didn't place. He's a kid I'm pulling for because his dad seems like a great guy. Here's to him improving.
I know this is strange, but I agree on all 3 points.
100% agree that conditioning is by far the easiest factor (in most cases) to fix. Zahid is still very much a contender for high AA/Champ honors IMO - his technique is just that good and crisp. Brother Anthony just seems to be struggling more in multiple positions and has a long ways to go.
I too hope Minnesota pulls it all together and can get back to at least being a top 10 perennial performer. It's good for the sport to have multiple programs competing and vying for the top spot. I'm sure it will get there, it just takes time.
I too hope Minnesota pulls it all together and can get back to at least being a top 10 perennial performer. It's good for the sport to have multiple programs competing and vying for the top spot. I'm sure it will get there, it just takes time.
For the record I'm OK with it being someone other than Minnesota. For instance, it could be argued their downfall has coincided with gains at NC State. For the good of the sport, would I rather have Minny or NC State as a "power"? Easy choice for me.
Suriano is going to be a really good college wrestler. He already has a win over a top 10 guy 2 matches into the season. Not many true freshman can beat AAs right away. He will frustrate GMan with defense which is Suriano's strong suit. I don't see GMan over dominating points wise. I do see GMan beating him by 3-5 points. Come March it will be closer but GMan wins it all. I also think Suriano AAs 2-4 place. After GMan 125 is weak. Not like most of the other weight classes.
Good post. Reading AFHawk's thread about dual opponents, it's shocking how few ranked 125s there are on Gilman's docket. Not his fault, but shows how light the weight is in the Big 10 this year in particular. Compare to 133
Zahid also gassed spectacularly at the Beat the Streets event in NYC this year. My son and I were speculating then that it might be an aberration due to sickness or too much time off. Maybe not.
My memory fails me sometimes but not on this. Reread what I posted. Zain was not "coming in" either as a true frosh or last year. I sand by what I stated- Suriano didn't come close to showing the offense Retherford showed coming in.
There was not a consensus about Zain's lack of offense and great defense before he wrestled his 1st college match. Suriano on the other hand....
Well yes Suriano beat the so called #4 guy but I watching the match don't know how in heck that guy could be ranked that high. So 125 must be real weak and Suriano can place in NCAA high just with his defense be a bore to watch but just the way it is. He sure showed no offense in this match sure the guy just hand fought but that is all Suriano did also. Just the way I look at it.
The biggest difference I see right now Suriano is wrestling not to lose. Zain is wrestling to dominate. Huge difference. GMan is also wrestling to dominate. Iowa fans have to love it.
Let's compare true freshman Retherford vs Suriano:
Here are some Retherford results his true freshman year:
W - Dan Neff, 6-1
W - Edgar Bright, 3-2
W - #9 Josh Dziewa 4-2
W - #11 Zach Horan, 2-0
W - #7 Chris Mecate, 2-0
W - #18 Joe Spisak, 6-4, SV
W - #19 Anthony Collica, 2-0
W - #6 Chris Dardanes, 4-0
W - #11 Steve Dutton, 4-0
W - #14 Edgar Bright, 3-0
W - #11 Joey Lazor, 5-2.
Zain usually bonused unranked guys, but this notion that true freshman Zain ran up pinball scores vs solid wrestlers just is not true
Here are some Retherford results his true freshman year:
W - Dan Neff, 6-1
W - Edgar Bright, 3-2
W - #9 Josh Dziewa 4-2
W - #11 Zach Horan, 2-0
W - #7 Chris Mecate, 2-0
W - #18 Joe Spisak, 6-4, SV
W - #19 Anthony Collica, 2-0
W - #6 Chris Dardanes, 4-0
W - #11 Steve Dutton, 4-0
W - #14 Edgar Bright, 3-0
W - #11 Joey Lazor, 5-2.
Zain usually bonused unranked guys, but this notion that true freshman Zain ran up pinball scores vs solid wrestlers just is not true
Zain bonused at 41.67% his freshman year...
http://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/11781/retherford-zain/profile
http://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/11781/retherford-zain/profile
Who said that true frosh Retherford ran up pinball scores?
Half of Pennsylvania..........the Red half I think.
Or is it the Blue half. I confuxe easily.
What was the question again???
A few folks said Suriano's 3-0 win was less-than-mediocre and tried to compare that with this phantom idea of Zain's domination of ranked guys as a True Fr.
But the truth is Zain as a true frosh usually wrestled very low scoring matches vs ranked guys -- just like Suriano's 3-0 win vs Schram.
