Is my go to when want to get jacked up or I drank too much, latter tonight. I've never watched what transpired after on DVR as was at game. We were so aggressive and had them, deliberate holding by MSU prevented a TD, Smith missing ball in lights another. 4th and 1 1/2 from MSU 42 with 10 to go there I scream go for it KF to no avail 6 mos later. We all know the end result, felt like we were the better team live and after watching more on TV it's confirmed tho painful.
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Both teams looked about the same to me. Cook and Beathard both had pressure on them through. Iowa's secondary could have had something to do with that. Iowa losing Canzeri hurt but neither team really ran down each other's throat.
It doesn't matter I work 6 days a week usually haha, And I was good for 5 days!
Yes, no Canzeri was a HUGE difference, and the helmet helmet no call in 1st half with the ball landing on a players back INT. You can't make that SH$T UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Upfront it was EQUAL, I haven't watched the game on TV until now besides the T Smith TD only as still too painful and def equals up front.
MSU had 174 yards rushing. Iowa 52. MSU averaged 3.8 ypc. Iowa 2.2 That's a big difference.
Take out CJ's 5 carries for -15 yards and what do you get? 3.52 ypc. I think it's safe to say neither OL was dominant. Couldn't find sack stats on ESPN.
Yeah give me Canzeri back in game. You guys did a great job of holding on that clutch go ahead TD as well.
It was as even of a game as you could of asked for. MSU made some "bonehead" mistakes/penalties in key situations. If they don't make those penalties, who knows. Both teams were very even across the board. MSU was able to run the ball better than Iowa, but that was because Iowas best rusher was out.
But MSU went on a 22 play drive and they were faced with multiple 3rd and longs and they converted every single one of them. Kudos to MSU, it was their day and in the end they made 1 more play than Iowa did. Hopefully Iowa can do something like that this year if they make it back to Indy.
But MSU went on a 22 play drive and they were faced with multiple 3rd and longs and they converted every single one of them. Kudos to MSU, it was their day and in the end they made 1 more play than Iowa did. Hopefully Iowa can do something like that this year if they make it back to Indy.
Kudos to them for the helmet to helmet hit on our WR and the ball landing on a players back and planting there. WTF is that?
It was really a game for the ages. It gained a lot of people's respect for Iowa. I watched the game the other day for the first time since that night. Very proud of those boys.
Def a classic, just brutal how Iowa lost and some of the key things that caused it, ugh........
Your team needed to hold/clip/tackle on the last two most crucial plays. You lose.
I still say Smith had the best, most aptly - timed "daboing" TD celebration after that play. Everyone else is fighting for second.
And for the record, and I'm not even fan of the celebration. It's getting up there with the f***ing eye-grating "keep feeding me" gesture in terms of over-use and ridiculousness. (Strictly football-speaking. Soccer is the worst though ainec)
And for the record, and I'm not even fan of the celebration. It's getting up there with the f***ing eye-grating "keep feeding me" gesture in terms of over-use and ridiculousness. (Strictly football-speaking. Soccer is the worst though ainec)
I went back and re-watched the game again and There were about 5-6 shots to the head by BOTH teams that were not called. So I really can't get upset over that one missed call. Sorry Iowa had plenty of chances after that to put in the end zone and they couldn't do it. Some times you have to tip your cap to the winner and MSU deserved that game. 22 play drives are only found on Video games.
Sure, it is also more the fact the ball literally plants on a guys back, when is the last time you have seen that? Tip the cap for tackling our Dline and holding on the immaculate 22 play drive? No thanks.
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You really think there wasn't even ONE egregious holding that wasn't called on that 22-play MSU drive? Really?
And let's be honest: the targeting helmet-to-helmet hit MSU got away with in the end zone that turned a TD into one of the most improbable INTs in college football history could be used to teach officials what targeting is. It'll be tough to see a targeting more blatant than that one. Thank goodness we have replay so we can get the calls right. LOL
Compare that no-call to the "targeting" called against Nebraska in its bowl game. The inconsistency on that call has to be rectified.
Remember when Pitt nearly decapitated CJ? No problem. No call. That's BS at its finest.
Does the NCAA want to protect players or not? Does it really want to get the calls right or not? The evidence says NO. If it did, it wouldn't allow these things to keep happening. Of course, an apology after the game is over is always cool. But most of the time you can't even get that much.
Iowa and MSU played one helluva football game. Iowa had plenty of chances to win that game going away. The Hawkeyes didn't get many breaks, and MSU was allowed to hold its way to victory at the end. It's a game that will always be hard to forget, but the best way to erase it would be for the Hawkeyes to return to Indy and whip OSU or whoever and win the Big Ten title that could have been theirs last year.
And let's be honest: the targeting helmet-to-helmet hit MSU got away with in the end zone that turned a TD into one of the most improbable INTs in college football history could be used to teach officials what targeting is. It'll be tough to see a targeting more blatant than that one. Thank goodness we have replay so we can get the calls right. LOL
Compare that no-call to the "targeting" called against Nebraska in its bowl game. The inconsistency on that call has to be rectified.
Remember when Pitt nearly decapitated CJ? No problem. No call. That's BS at its finest.
Does the NCAA want to protect players or not? Does it really want to get the calls right or not? The evidence says NO. If it did, it wouldn't allow these things to keep happening. Of course, an apology after the game is over is always cool. But most of the time you can't even get that much.
Iowa and MSU played one helluva football game. Iowa had plenty of chances to win that game going away. The Hawkeyes didn't get many breaks, and MSU was allowed to hold its way to victory at the end. It's a game that will always be hard to forget, but the best way to erase it would be for the Hawkeyes to return to Indy and whip OSU or whoever and win the Big Ten title that could have been theirs last year.
Amen............You confirmed what I saw in person and was validated on Sunday night when I finally watched the DVR of the game.
Holding can be called on every play. Just cause some guy got held, doesn't mean its holding. Would you want the refs to call a hold away from the play? Probably not.
Sorry but those officials did the best they could and last time I checked anytime Iowa loses, its always the refs fault. I do not blame them. I thought Iowa had every opportunity to win that game and MSU took advantage of Iowa's TO's and poor execution. Credit MSU. They are and always will be the Big 10 champs of 2015.
Hopefully Iowa can be the big ten champs of 2016!
Why didn't we double-team Shalique Calhoun on every play? We needed to at least "chip" him with the TE, IMHO. It was a lot to ask Mr. Croston to do. Our coaches are consistent, though. They didn't help Croston (or was it Myers?) out vs Schobel of Wisky, either. Do not know how CJ survived the season.
I don't really understand why people use the play where Vandeberg was held against MSU.
The DB made a really smart and aware play in doing the holding, knowing that he was beat. I was as pissed as anybody when it happened, and admittedly am still a little butthurt over it, but still have to acknowledge a great play on his part.
If it was King/Mabin who did the holding late in the game, we would all feel the same.
The DB made a really smart and aware play in doing the holding, knowing that he was beat. I was as pissed as anybody when it happened, and admittedly am still a little butthurt over it, but still have to acknowledge a great play on his part.
If it was King/Mabin who did the holding late in the game, we would all feel the same.
Absolutely. We had it set up the entire game and it was an excellent play call. I was furious when it happened. Still don't think that it should be used in the argument that Iowa should have won.
Yeah I put it in my original rant since I had just saw that play when I posted this but no not a reason of why we should of won it, just more salt in wound there.
It wasn't specifically directed towards you or even at anybody in this thread, so I apologize if it came across that I was calling you out. It's just something I've observed and heard since the game and I don't really agree with it.
I'm glad you realized by the end of your own post that you needed to stop defending Michigan State for the sake of defending them and being that guy that thinks he's being the objective voice of reason, as if it were necessary in this case.
Good for you.
Im not defending MSU. I am giving credit where credit is due. They beat Iowa. I was at the game and was upset, but when I went back and watched the film they did beat Iowa. Holding or head shots won't change the final score. I choose to move on and some people would rather sit back and complain about something that can't be changed. I am sorry a couple of calls would of not of changed that outcome. Iowa had every opportunity to score and just didn't do it until in the 4th quarter. I kept saying to take shots down field and we never did (mainly because CJB didn't have time).
A 22play drive was just the ending. I mean Iowa had them in 3rd and 7+yds 2 times where if they stop them and force a 4th down MSU was going to punt. But instead they picked them up and continued the drive. Credit to them, they made the plays when needed and once they got inside the 20yd line I had a bad feeling. They were just chipping away a little at a time.
Overall it was an awesome game even though we lost. I had a blast and am hoping the hawks make it back to Indy so I can go again. I enjoyed every minute of that game until the last TD. Then after that we went back to the hotel and drank our sorrows away and woke up the next day to find out we were heading to Pasadena.
Now see, this last paragraph is all you needed to say. Everything else just seemed unnecessary.
Here endeth the lesson.
Michigan State also ran the ball 46 times. Iowa ran it 24. Having 22 more rushing attempts is a big difference that would explain the large discrepancy in rushing yardage. And a ypc difference of 1.6 is not a huge difference, especially when you factor in a -15 yard rushing play by the quarterback.
The biggest difference in the game was the last drive. Credit to Michigan State.
But as far as the point you raised (MSU better up front) and statistics you provided to try to substantiate that point are concerned, sorry, no dice. Like I said, line play was pretty equal. If you had stated Michigan State was more balanced on offense, had out gained Iowa by almost 100 yards, and won the turnover battle 3-1 as the reason MSU was better that day, you would have had a credible claim.
Be Careful what you say, some posters will not like that you are giving credit to MSU. Its like flipping them the middle finger??
