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Take a week out of bowl prep to work on the 3-4

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I have a feeling its us and Wisconsin to represent the West. We need to figure some things out there
 
Re-read the OP; it's really not that hard to figure out.

He's suggesting we spend a week of bowl prep addressing the 3-4 so we can be more competitive against Wisconsin next year.
That's such a bad idea that it would be better to just cop to the less terrible suggestion as if he intended it to begin with.
 
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Because we didn't play any 3-4 teams this year except Wisconsin? We did, with mixed results. I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying.
 
I have a feeling its us and Wisconsin to represent the West. We need to figure some things out there
NW and Purdue may have something to say. If we work on the 3-4, then it needs to be on how we can run, pass and score at against Wisconsin's. May want find some bigger and more physical OGs that fit more the mold of Welsh but 20+ lbs. heavier. Bottom line, we have had no clue against Wisconsin and pretty much the same against Purdue's DL this year. Michigan St. and NW pretty much ate our lunch as well. Our Rushing numbers against those teams don't lie. And the young OTs were not really the problem.
 
NW and Purdue may have something to say. If we work on the 3-4, then it needs to be on how we can run, pass and score at against Wisconsin's. May want find some bigger and more physical OGs that fit more the mold of Welsh but 20+ lbs. heavier. Bottom line, we have had no clue against Wisconsin and pretty much the same against Purdue's DL this year. Michigan St. and NW pretty much ate our lunch as well. Our Rushing numbers against those teams don't lie. And the young OTs were not really the problem.
I just looked today, and we played 6 of the 7 (Michigan is #6, Purdue #7) top rush defenses in the B1G, and lost to all but fOSU.

I'm stating the obvious, but we definitely need some work on how to make adjustments when the original run game plan gets shut down.
 
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Re-read the OP; it's really not that hard to figure out.

He's suggesting we spend a week of bowl prep addressing the 3-4 so we can be more competitive against Wisconsin next year.
Yeah, couldn't believe he was serious. What a complete disaster that would be! And as though it would help us against the one team on our schedule that is already an expert on attacking it, since they see it every day in practice!
 
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I'm glad paladin pointed to that article. Apparently we learned that Wisconsin figured something out with their LBs and our zone, and adjusted to it for Nebraska's defense which I think was sort of doing the same thing. Perhaps we have an idea of how to adjust to Wisconsin already... I'm not going to put this under my pillow at night, but it is possible!
 
Do you guys even watch games? Iowa had the most radical change to their O in the last 19 years against Nebraska. Implemented a gap blocking scheme vs a one blocking scheme. Kind of hurt Neb and the LB shooting gaps....and the moved people off the ball. I'd look for that to continue to be developed.
 
Why did it take so long to figure it out? That's what I want to know. That's inexcusable and a coaching failure that is beyond monumental.
 
Why did it take so long to figure it out? That's what I want to know. That's inexcusable and a coaching failure that is beyond monumental.
I think you've oversimplified the issue. You don't change blocking patterns 'on the fly' during a game unless you've practiced them some; especially with 2 FR OT's. After the non-existent running games against the 3-4 defenses of WI and PU, coaches put in straight ahead gap blocking elements in and started running them in the 2nd half against 3-4 D Nebbie. We see the results. Is it good start toward being able to effectively run against 3-4 D's in the future? Yes. Is it a silver bullet. No.

Questions about how to pass protect against good 3-4's still have to be answered. Nebby's D was putrid.
 
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I'm not sure why Iowa runs zone blocking anymore to be honest. I've tried to discuss this before and recall most of us were in agreement that it doesn't work well in short-yardage situations and usually it takes an awful long time for the line to jell. Now we can presumably add to this that it doesn't work against a 3-4 with LBs crashing the gaps.

I guess I am being too extreme here, and maybe I should just rejoice in the fact that the team is capable of gap blocking just like they can zone block. I'm probably also not nuanced enough as a typical "fan" to see and appreciate all of the times the line uses gap blocking in a game where I have no idea what they did.
 
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I'm not sure why Iowa runs zone blocking anymore to be honest. I've tried to discuss this before and recall most of us were in agreement that it doesn't work well in short-yardage situations and usually it takes an awful long time for the line to jell. Now we can presumably add to this that it doesn't work against a 3-4 with LBs crashing the gaps.

I guess I am being too extreme here, and maybe I should just rejoice in the fact that the team is capable of gap blocking just like they can zone block. I'm probably also not nuanced enough as a typical "fan" to see and appreciate all of the times the line uses gap blocking in a game where I have no idea what they did.

Being proficient to very good at both would be ideal. You need to have a staple/core of the offense that you can be very good at, and then work everything off of that. The last few years (since BF arrived) Iowa has been using more wrinkles on the zone game, the second half against Nebraska was a more consistent change.

Hopefully the improvement can continue in the bowl game and next year.
 
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Iowa is stacked at DL. Adding Nixon gives us at least 6 legitimate DL starters. I say we go 5-2

At X School we have developed, and continue to mold, an odd front defense that we believe is very teachable, coach-able, and effective. This system allows us to defend everything from a double tight power running game to a no-back spread attack, with little change to alignment and responsibilities. This consistency allows our players to become very good at their reads and roles within the entire scheme of the defense. It has allowed us to have 11 aggressive football players on the field that can play their position and attack with no hesitation. There is no doubt that this defense has been instrumental in allowing us to play in 7 State Finals since the 2000 season, including 4 consecutive State Championships.
 
I think you've oversimplified the issue. You don't change blocking patterns 'on the fly' during a game unless you've practiced them some; especially with 2 FR OT's. After the non-existent running games against the 3-4 defenses of WI and PU, coaches put in straight ahead gap blocking elements in and started running them in the 2nd half against 3-4 D Nebbie. We see the results. Is it good start toward being able to effectively run against 3-4 D's in the future? Yes. Is it a silver bullet. No.

Questions about how to pass protect against good 3-4's still have to be answered. Nebby's D was putrid.

This actually started in the Illinois game. That's the first game I noticed it in. And it started out of necessity if you recall what we we're dealing with at that point of the season on our offensive line.

I also notices that we didn't pull the center a lot this season. Iowa never really pulls offensive linemen a lot, but they do regularly pull the center. Pure speculation on my part, but I suspect James Daniels played dinged most of the season.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't take binoculars into every game, and I don't watch line play exclusively.

I'm not here to defend coaches, nepotism etc, but some of these posts, mine included, are why we watch from the stands, and aren't getting paid millions.

Iowa football, like other college programs, is based on a lot of moving parts, but to oversimplify, it is heavily based on offensive blocking schemes, and linebackers. One needs only look back to the Iowa State game this year. Iowa was literally ready to put Iowa State away in the second half. Iowa had a lineman dinged. It took three series of offensive plays to figure out to to shuffle what we had left the most effective way. I'm not thrilled by 7-5, but the fact is that 7-5 is actually pretty remarkable this season based on some of the above. FTR, I am, and have been extremely optimistic about the group of younger players Iowa currently has. I'm willing to bet in 1-2 seasons they make a run. It will be Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan State. All three teams based entirely on the number of younger players this season and their quick development.
 
Do you guys even watch games? Iowa had the most radical change to their O in the last 19 years against Nebraska. Implemented a gap blocking scheme vs a one blocking scheme. Kind of hurt Neb and the LB shooting gaps....and the moved people off the ball. I'd look for that to continue to be developed.

Wonder if that was Polasek or BF? Or both perhaps
 
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Re-read the OP; it's really not that hard to figure out.

He's suggesting we spend a week of bowl prep addressing the 3-4 so we can be more competitive against Wisconsin next year.
so we should spend a week this december preparing for wisconsin next fall ??????
 
I just looked today, and we played 6 of the 7 (Michigan is #6, Purdue #7) top rush defenses in the B1G, and lost to all but fOSU.

I'm stating the obvious, but we definitely need some work on how to make adjustments when the original run game plan gets shut down.
Stanley is an outstanding quarterback the best since Brad Banks, but since we don't have a duel threat quarterback that runs and we have a fullback that is not an offensive threat, it is easier for the defense to design plays that stop us. Even though Stanley is our quarterback, I would like to have Iowa have a 2 string quarterback that can run when the offense is stymied like we have often this year. I was disappointed we did not have both of our good running backs on field at the same time so Wadley could of caught more passes
 
I'm not sure why Iowa runs zone blocking anymore to be honest. I've tried to discuss this before and recall most of us were in agreement that it doesn't work well in short-yardage situations and usually it takes an awful long time for the line to jell. Now we can presumably add to this that it doesn't work against a 3-4 with LBs crashing the gaps.

I guess I am being too extreme here, and maybe I should just rejoice in the fact that the team is capable of gap blocking just like they can zone block. I'm probably also not nuanced enough as a typical "fan" to see and appreciate all of the times the line uses gap blocking in a game where I have no idea what they did.
I watched the BTN Network Jay Lehman show why Wisconsin is so good defensively, he showed one play where the Iowa offensive lineman did a good job of blocking but the end ran around to the middle and came untouched and sacked Stanley, so offensive lineman were blameless on this play. How do you stop Wisconsin?
 
How do you stop Wisconsin?

Not many do... honestly when you look at their last decade of work they are a top 5 type team. They've effectively become "elite" even with coaching changes and plenty of NFL talent progressing to the league.
 
Not many do... honestly when you look at their last decade of work they are a top 5 type team. They've effectively become "elite" even with coaching changes and plenty of NFL talent progressing to the league.

No. Top 5, elite teams win marquee bowl games. Wisconsin hasn't won one of those in almost 20 years.
 
No. Top 5, elite teams win marquee bowl games. Wisconsin hasn't won one of those in almost 20 years.

Well, it is about the only thing you haven't done, and while I get what you're saying... I'd trade places in an instant? It isn't like Iowa's been winning any bowl games of late. Besides, you have every opportunity to do some big things in the next week.
 
Well, it is about the only thing you haven't done, and while I get what you're saying... I'd trade places in an instant? It isn't like Iowa's been winning any bowl games of late. Besides, you have every opportunity to do some big things in the next week.

Wiscy has a good chance at not only the B1G, but a chance at the big prize if they can keep away from to's in their passing game. tOSU is very winnable. Oklahoma would be as well. Clemson can be beat, and we saw exactly how to beat Alabama. As Urban said, the SEC can be beat for one game.
 
Wiscy has a good chance at not only the B1G, but a chance at the big prize if they can keep away from to's in their passing game. tOSU is very winnable. Oklahoma would be as well. Clemson can be beat, and we saw exactly how to beat Alabama. As Urban said, the SEC can be beat for one game.
If Wisconsin is in, Alabama isn't.
 
If Wisconsin is in, Alabama isn't.

Really, I disagree.

TCU beats Oklahoma? Alabama is in.
Miami beats Clemson? Argument is on.

Wisconsin only gets in with a win, but they can absolutely be in (and the #1 seed) perhaps even playing #4 Alabama although in my personal opinion there is NO SITUATION where Alabama deserves to make it.
 
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