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[NYWRESTLER94]

No it doesn't

Exactly

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

PSU poster (jtothemfp) on BWI posted a pretty interesting tidbit regarding their 174-197 situation from credible sources.
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Since it's clear to me now I'll never get a BSD post written about it...here's the info I got, from 3 different highly credible sources. For each bullet, first number = number of confirmed sources and second number = my confidence in its validity, out of 10:

• Nickal only certified at 184, cannot compete collegiately at 174 at all this season. (3 / 10)
• McCutcheon certified at 174. His minimum allowed weight is 174.0. On the dot. (2 / 10)
• McCutcheon & Nickal will wrestle off for 184 next week, 10/18 - 10/20. (2 / 10)
• Morelli certified at 174, but not 165. (1 / 9)
• Cassar hasn't been cleared to compete (1 / 10)

Here are some personal guesses / takes from all of that:

• Nickal winning 184 is not at all automatic
• I'd guess Cael is....let's call it disappointed... with Nickal for not certing at 174
• Probably also pissed at Morelli for not certing at 165
• Very curious how Cael manages this situation--even more so if McCutcheon wins whatever the coaches structure the wrestleoffs as, across three days. Although then my curiosity will include how Nickal manages the situation
• McCutcheon cutting to 174 would be brutal af, but is still considered realistically viable--for now--by himself and the coaches
• If Nickal wins, McCutcheon will probably try to cut to 174 and compete there in Reno. I'm curious af to picture what cutting to 174.0, but not to 173.9 looks like
• Cassar may not be cleared all year
• For 197, if Nickal wins, I'd guess Stout will start the season. If McCutcheon wins, I'd guess Nickal will start the season
• I'd guess McCutcheon *can* make 174 for Reno, but will be so uncomfortable that he'll abandon it before season's end."
  
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  This tells me that PSU's lineup is still kind of a big question mark from 174-197. Obviously Bo is going to be good wherever he goes, but I mean regarding to which weight class everyone is going. Personally, I thought PSU's strongest lineup was with Bo at 174 for one more year, but this helps us a bit IMO.

I say Rasheed starts at 174

 

[DayHawk18]

You have Sorensen losing to Micah Jordan?

Ahh crap, accident! I pick Sorenson but it really wouldn't surprise me if Micah won

 

[1stplacehawk]

PSU poster (jtothemfp) on BWI posted a pretty interesting tidbit regarding their 174-197 situation from credible sources.
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Since it's clear to me now I'll never get a BSD post written about it...here's the info I got, from 3 different highly credible sources. For each bullet, first number = number of confirmed sources and second number = my confidence in its validity, out of 10:

• Nickal only certified at 184, cannot compete collegiately at 174 at all this season. (3 / 10)
• McCutcheon certified at 174. His minimum allowed weight is 174.0. On the dot. (2 / 10)
• McCutcheon & Nickal will wrestle off for 184 next week, 10/18 - 10/20. (2 / 10)
• Morelli certified at 174, but not 165. (1 / 9)
• Cassar hasn't been cleared to compete (1 / 10)

Here are some personal guesses / takes from all of that:

• Nickal winning 184 is not at all automatic
• I'd guess Cael is....let's call it disappointed... with Nickal for not certing at 174
• Probably also pissed at Morelli for not certing at 165
• Very curious how Cael manages this situation--even more so if McCutcheon wins whatever the coaches structure the wrestleoffs as, across three days. Although then my curiosity will include how Nickal manages the situation
• McCutcheon cutting to 174 would be brutal af, but is still considered realistically viable--for now--by himself and the coaches
• If Nickal wins, McCutcheon will probably try to cut to 174 and compete there in Reno. I'm curious af to picture what cutting to 174.0, but not to 173.9 looks like
• Cassar may not be cleared all year
• For 197, if Nickal wins, I'd guess Stout will start the season. If McCutcheon wins, I'd guess Nickal will start the season
• I'd guess McCutcheon *can* make 174 for Reno, but will be so uncomfortable that he'll abandon it before season's end."
  
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  This tells me that PSU's lineup is still kind of a big question mark from 174-197. Obviously Bo is going to be good wherever he goes, but I mean regarding to which weight class everyone is going. Personally, I thought PSU's strongest lineup was with Bo at 174 for one more year, but this helps us a bit IMO.

Does this remind anyone else of the Bubba Jenkins situation? I guess Nickal is lucky that McCutchen isn't Cael's brother.

 

[april racer]

they can be the same thing. It's semantics that separates them. In reality, they are the same. Ranking a guy #1 says that you project them to be #1 at the end of the year. If that is not true, then why do it? Who cares that you rank a guy #1 in October. I want the best assessment as to who the best is by end of year.

I will second cradleking in the assessment you are having trouble with the distinction between rankings and projections. You want projections these are rankings. I would say to everyone that if you don't want to read rankings then don't.

 

[Scryed]

Should be some great duals to look forward to this season. I think the tiers of teams are: 1a: PSU/tOSU 1b: OSU 2: Iowa 3: VA Tech/Missouri. It's all going to come down to which rookies step up and perform IMO.

 

[PSU Mike]

• This tells me that PSU's lineup is still kind of a big question mark from 174-197. Obviously Bo is going to be good wherever he goes, but I mean regarding to which weight class everyone is going. Personally, I thought PSU's strongest lineup was with Bo at 174 for one more year, but this helps us a bit IMO.

Helps unless your name ends in "-o-o-k-s."

 

[24 so far]

You think that PSU being ranked 6th is evidence of PSU bias by Flo? And that it is all an elaborate plan for Flo to praise the almighty Cael when the team does better than 6th? Take off the tinfoil hat and step away from the keyboard.

Can't wait to hear you reasoning for it? Make it quick, I want to sleep tonight.

 

[24 so far]

I will second cradleking in the assessment you are having trouble with the distinction between rankings and projections. You want projections these are rankings. I would say to everyone that if you don't want to read rankings then don't.

You convinced me. No reading rankings for me, I'll just use my own common sense (my 1st tidbit.............. PSU won't finish 6th........).

 

[smalls103]

Guys, c'mon.

anyone complaining about the team rankings don't know how the process works. blame the process (i do) not the results of it.

the team rankings are nothing more than the projected ncaa tournament points (sans bonus) based on the individual rankings.

so either 1) criticize the individual rankings 2) criticize this method 3) accept that team rankings won't come close to an accurate picture until a month or more into the season.

(also, where in the hell did i ever downplay the quality of recruits that psu brings in?)
(also 2x - CP sucks)

 

[whejoe]

Guys, c'mon.

anyone complaining about the team rankings don't know how the process works. blame the process (i do) not the results of it.

the team rankings are nothing more than the projected ncaa tournament points (sans bonus) based on the individual rankings.

so either 1) criticize the individual rankings 2) criticize this method 3) accept that team rankings won't come close to an accurate picture until a month or more into the season.

(also, where in the hell did i ever downplay the quality of recruits that psu brings in?)
(also 2x - CP sucks)

I blame Obama.

 

[Pennstate1985]

I will second cradleking in the assessment you are having trouble with the distinction between rankings and projections. You want projections these are rankings. I would say to everyone that if you don't want to read rankings then don't.

I know the difference. I think it's silly to have both is what I'm saying. That's outdated thinking imo. We have made great tech advances that allow us to evaluate guys in real time and quickly at that. Evaluating freshmen is just as much a crapshoot as sophs, juniors, and seniors.

 

[april racer]

I know the difference. I think it's silly to have both is what I'm saying. That's outdated thinking imo. We have made great tech advances that allow us to evaluate guys in real time and quickly at that. Evaluating freshmen is just as much a crapshoot as sophs, juniors, and seniors.

They aren't evaluating, they are taking real results and comparing them. HS results don't count. RS victories over low ranked wrestlers don't count. If you want CP to put up predictions he should definitely add the caveat that they will be wrong. Its really hard to project the AAs after the brackets have been made, impossible now. Where do they have both? Its just rankings. Nobody is listed based on what they think will happen.

 

[Pennstate1985]

They aren't evaluating, they are taking real results and comparing them. HS results don't count. RS victories over low ranked wrestlers don't count. If you want CP to put up predictions he should definitely add the caveat that they will be wrong. Its really hard to project the AAs after the brackets have been made, impossible now. Where do they have both? Its just rankings. Nobody is listed based on what they think will happen.

That's my point. I'd like them to order guys in preseason to what they think will happen. Leaving Spencer Lee out just because he's a freshman is asinine when his resume screams something else. There is ample evidence that Spencer could compete on day one. So why not recognize it?

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Because it gets people to start doing exactly what everyone is doing-reading their article, and talking about it. The only one that matters will come out early March, right after conference tourneys.

Except that I haven't seen them, nor do I care to see them -- just heard about how baseless they are.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Yes. They're not unranked because they are freshman; they're unranked because they don't have quality folkstyle wins over anybody at this level.

You really don't understand the difference between a ranking and a projection?

Oh, I do indeed. I just think it's quaint when people use past practice without any regard to exceptions or new practices. It's how mistakes are repeated over and over again. If you know something is likely incorrect, change it. Simple concept. It isn't like they are batting a 1,000 on those with histories, so why not take your best shot?

CP knows his rankings are incorrect, so why not make them better by changing how you make preseason rankings? To write an article essentially admitting that you're looking past the elephants in the room is silly thinking imo.

they can be the same thing. It's semantics that separates them. In reality, they are the same. Ranking a guy #1 says that you project them to be #1 at the end of the year. If that is not true, then why do it? Who cares that you rank a guy #1 in October. I want the best assessment as to who the best is by end of year.

To state you know the difference between projections and rankings then post to the contrary is kinda funny.

 

[jerot]

To state you know the difference between projections and rankings then post to the contrary is kinda funny.

He is really dense.
Has to be intentional.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Except that I haven't seen them, nor do I care to see them -- just heard about how baseless they are.

ok, you skipped the reading part! Just remember, reading is the most important skill you learn in school-except for maybe social activities under the bleachers!

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Does this remind anyone else of the Bubba Jenkins situation? I guess Nickal is lucky that McCutchen isn't Cael's brother.

Boom. 1st place wins this thread.

 

[pinters]

IMO, Bael won't decide until our Hawks do. I believe this is why AM wrestled up a few times last year.
Interesting to see TnT not revealing the cards we got. Keep uhm guessing right?
Go Hawkeyes!!!!

 

[tikk10]

Didn't Pyles kind of poke fun at WIN putting PSU 7th?

I really enjoyed the Flo poking fun at WIN era.

 

[el dub]

I blame Obama.

Huh? Thanks Obama!

 

[rossel 33]

So Lee and Hall will rightfully be unranked because someone said you can't rank freshmen? Even though many say they could already AA as high school kids?

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Yes, Hall should be unranked because he's done nothing to merit a ranking. Winning a World Jr gold medal, having beaten 157lb, #1 ranked Nolf a year ago, and being the top ranked p4p HS wrestler are all meaningless. But don't give up on him.... Cael may yet develop Hall into a good wrestler, maybe even an AA.

Puh-leez.

How about using common sense with preseason rankings, and just give it your best shot. If the HS world beaters are overly hyped and fall flat, we'll know soon enough, and adjustments to the rankings can be made. That would make the preseason rankings more meaningful than the rigid, brain dead method that FLO seemed to have used.

 

[wasdt21]

dang rosey your getting pretty riled over something I don't believe is worth the grief.i'm more worried about warner right now than where vais ranks anybody the first week of practice.i am not saying you are wrong just that it is not worth stressing about.

 

[el dub]

----How about using common sense with preseason rankings, and just give it your best shot. If the HS world beaters continue their winning ways on the next level, we'll know soon enough, and adjustments to the rankings can be made. That would make the preseason rankings more meaningful than the rigid, brain dead method that FLO seemed to have used.

FIFY

BTw, I don't have a pony in this hear race.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

I think some kids have earned rankings based on reports out of various rooms across the nation. They have beaten some ranked guys.
#LegendsOfThePracticeRoom

 

[el dub]

I think some kids have earned rankings based on reports out of various rooms across the nation. They have beaten some ranked guys.
#LegendsOfThePracticeRoom

I can relate.
#JVPhenom