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Ted Cruz and the Anti-Gay Pastor

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EARLIER this month, in Des Moines, the prominent home-schooling advocate and pastor Kevin Swanson again called for the punishment of homosexuality by death. To be clear, he added that the time for eliminating America’s gay population was “not yet” at hand. We must wait for the nation to embrace the one true religion, he suggested, and gay people must be allowed to repent and convert.

Mr. Swanson proposed this at the National Religious Liberties Conference, an event he organized. Featured speakers included three Republican contenders for the presidency: the former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

Mr. Huckabee later pleaded ignorance. Yet a quick web search will turn up Mr. Swanson’s references to the demonic power of “the homosexual Borg,” the unmitigated evil of Harry Potter and the Disney character Princess Elsa’s lesbian agenda.

Mr. Cruz apparently felt little need to make excuses. He was accompanying another of the featured speakers at the conference: his father, Rafael Cruz — a politically connected pastor who told a 2013 Family Leadership Summit that same-sex marriage was a government plot to destroy the family.

On Saturday, father and son traveled to Bob Jones University in South Carolina to join a Rally for Religious Liberty. Among the speakers was Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, who has called L.G.B.T. activists “hateful” and “pawns” of the devil.

The comfortable thing to do would be to dismiss Mr. Swanson as just another wombat from the embarrassing fringe of American politics. But that would be a mistake. Mr. Swanson’s murderous imaginings did not interfere with his ability to attract senior Republican figures to his conference, including as a keynote speaker Bob Vander Plaats, an Iowa politician who will grant the “Most Wanted Endorsement of 2016,” according to the Conservative Review.

Mr. Swanson is the product of a significant political movement that has coalesced around the theme of religious liberty. Many of its leaders and their allies appear at the Family Research Council’s annual Values Voters Summit. Other power centers include Liberty University (now a required stop on the campaign trail); conservative policy organizations like the American Family Association and Concerned Women for America; and Christian legal advocacy groups like Liberty Counsel (whose co-founder, Mat Staver, acted as Kim Davis’s lawyer) and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the legal powerhouse behind the Hobby Lobby decision (whose president, Alan Sears, co-wrote a book in 2003 titled The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today”).

When talking about religious conservatives in America, we might perhaps conjure up an image of a farmer in Iowa or a small-business owner in Ohio who goes to church and holds traditional values. But the leaders to whom such conservatives deliver their votes have a distinct, often different, political vision.

When they hail religious liberty, they do not mean the right to pray and worship with other believers. Instead, the phrase has become a catchall for tactical goals of seeking exemptions from the law on religious grounds. To claim exception from the law as a right of “religious refusal” is, of course, the same as claiming the power to take the law into one’s own hands.

The leaders of this movement are breathtakingly radical. Like Mr. Swanson, they feel persecuted and encircled in a hostile world. Like him, they believe that America will find peace only when all submit to the one true religion.

True, few share Mr. Swanson’s taste for genocidal fantasy. But they do share the ultimate goal of capturing the power of the state and remaking society in ways most Americans would find extreme: a world in which men rule in families, women’s reproductive freedom is curtailed and “Bible believers” run the government.

This movement is a power to be reckoned with in Republican Party politics. Mr. Cruz, for one, is basing his strategy on winning its support. Ben Carson told a Liberty University convocation this month of his concern that so many people “are trying to push God out of our lives.” And early this year, Mr. Jindal hosted a religious revival rally on the Louisiana State University campus that was sponsored by the American Family Association.

But the real influence of the movement is in the less visible realm of state legislatures. In 2015 alone, 87 religious refusal-related bills were introduced in 28 states.

All of this raises some unsettling questions about political life in the United States. When presidential candidates court support among the audience of a pastor who openly discusses the extermination of millions of their fellow citizens, why is this not major news?

Most functioning democratic parties in the modern world have mechanisms for marginalizing elements whose presence will ultimately prove destructive to both the political system and the party itself. What has happened to the Republican Party’s immune system?

And why are the rest of us complacent? Because a majority of the public has swung behind same-sex marriage, pundits would have us believe that the culture war is over. The leaders of the religious liberty movement may have lost that fight, but they’re still on the march — crusading through the courts and state legislatures.

It would be foolish to underestimate their resolve.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/o...cruz-and-the-anti-gay-pastor.html?ref=opinion
 
When they hail religious liberty, they do not mean the right to pray and worship with other believers. Instead, the phrase has become a catchall for tactical goals of seeking exemptions from the law on religious grounds. To claim exception from the law as a right of “religious refusal” is, of course, the same as claiming the power to take the law into one’s own hands.

The leaders of this movement are breathtakingly radical.

Here's some more radical stuff for ya'...

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/qanda_religion.html
 
I love it when I get new superpowers. If I mix my demonic Borg assimilation powers with my hurricane hurling prowess, I'm one bad ass bitch. But putting that aside for a moment, does anyone else think it a bit odd that the guy hosting the National Religious Liberties Conference wants us all to convert to his "one true religion"? I think he might be tipping his hand on what he has in store for a whole lot of you. And you don't even have superpowers to defend yourselves.
 
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Yes, this guy is just as hypocritical as the people who made saying, "all lives matter" a political hot potato. But certain politicians from both parties need their version of "the extreme vote" in their primary races.
 
Yes, this guy is just as hypocritical as the people who made saying, "all lives matter" a political hot potato. But certain politicians from both parties need their version of "the extreme vote" in their primary races.
Oh I can see that. The right says people should be killed. The left says lives matter. Those certainly seem equivalent extremes to me too. o_O
 
And no, natural. You miss the point. O'Malley said "all lives matter" and was basically told, "No they don't, only black lives matter!" from extreme elements of the left.

O'Malley is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president in case you've never heard of him.
 
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And no, natural. You miss the point. O'Malley said "all lives matter" and was basically told, "No they don't, only black lives matter!" from extreme elements of the left.

O'Malley is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president in case you've never heard of him.
If that is your understanding than its you who missed the point.
 
This is where conservative ideas always lead. Round em up and gas em. Doing it in the name of God just makes it that much more fun for them.
EARLIER this month, in Des Moines, the prominent home-schooling advocate and pastor Kevin Swanson again called for the punishment of homosexuality by death. To be clear, he added that the time for eliminating America’s gay population was “not yet” at hand. We must wait for the nation to embrace the one true religion, he suggested, and gay people must be allowed to repent and convert.

Mr. Swanson proposed this at the National Religious Liberties Conference, an event he organized. Featured speakers included three Republican contenders for the presidency: the former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

Mr. Huckabee later pleaded ignorance. Yet a quick web search will turn up Mr. Swanson’s references to the demonic power of “the homosexual Borg,” the unmitigated evil of Harry Potter and the Disney character Princess Elsa’s lesbian agenda.

Mr. Cruz apparently felt little need to make excuses. He was accompanying another of the featured speakers at the conference: his father, Rafael Cruz — a politically connected pastor who told a 2013 Family Leadership Summit that same-sex marriage was a government plot to destroy the family.

On Saturday, father and son traveled to Bob Jones University in South Carolina to join a Rally for Religious Liberty. Among the speakers was Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, who has called L.G.B.T. activists “hateful” and “pawns” of the devil.

The comfortable thing to do would be to dismiss Mr. Swanson as just another wombat from the embarrassing fringe of American politics. But that would be a mistake. Mr. Swanson’s murderous imaginings did not interfere with his ability to attract senior Republican figures to his conference, including as a keynote speaker Bob Vander Plaats, an Iowa politician who will grant the “Most Wanted Endorsement of 2016,” according to the Conservative Review.

Mr. Swanson is the product of a significant political movement that has coalesced around the theme of religious liberty. Many of its leaders and their allies appear at the Family Research Council’s annual Values Voters Summit. Other power centers include Liberty University (now a required stop on the campaign trail); conservative policy organizations like the American Family Association and Concerned Women for America; and Christian legal advocacy groups like Liberty Counsel (whose co-founder, Mat Staver, acted as Kim Davis’s lawyer) and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the legal powerhouse behind the Hobby Lobby decision (whose president, Alan Sears, co-wrote a book in 2003 titled The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today”).

When talking about religious conservatives in America, we might perhaps conjure up an image of a farmer in Iowa or a small-business owner in Ohio who goes to church and holds traditional values. But the leaders to whom such conservatives deliver their votes have a distinct, often different, political vision.

When they hail religious liberty, they do not mean the right to pray and worship with other believers. Instead, the phrase has become a catchall for tactical goals of seeking exemptions from the law on religious grounds. To claim exception from the law as a right of “religious refusal” is, of course, the same as claiming the power to take the law into one’s own hands.

The leaders of this movement are breathtakingly radical. Like Mr. Swanson, they feel persecuted and encircled in a hostile world. Like him, they believe that America will find peace only when all submit to the one true religion.

True, few share Mr. Swanson’s taste for genocidal fantasy. But they do share the ultimate goal of capturing the power of the state and remaking society in ways most Americans would find extreme: a world in which men rule in families, women’s reproductive freedom is curtailed and “Bible believers” run the government.

This movement is a power to be reckoned with in Republican Party politics. Mr. Cruz, for one, is basing his strategy on winning its support. Ben Carson told a Liberty University convocation this month of his concern that so many people “are trying to push God out of our lives.” And early this year, Mr. Jindal hosted a religious revival rally on the Louisiana State University campus that was sponsored by the American Family Association.

But the real influence of the movement is in the less visible realm of state legislatures. In 2015 alone, 87 religious refusal-related bills were introduced in 28 states.

All of this raises some unsettling questions about political life in the United States. When presidential candidates court support among the audience of a pastor who openly discusses the extermination of millions of their fellow citizens, why is this not major news?

Most functioning democratic parties in the modern world have mechanisms for marginalizing elements whose presence will ultimately prove destructive to both the political system and the party itself. What has happened to the Republican Party’s immune system?

And why are the rest of us complacent? Because a majority of the public has swung behind same-sex marriage, pundits would have us believe that the culture war is over. The leaders of the religious liberty movement may have lost that fight, but they’re still on the march — crusading through the courts and state legislatures.

It would be foolish to underestimate their resolve.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/o...cruz-and-the-anti-gay-pastor.html?ref=opinion
 
Judith Butler, a philosopher at the University of California, Berkeley, recently explained why some find it offensive to respond to the "Black Lives Matter" movement with the "all lives matter."

"When some people rejoin with 'All Lives Matter' they misunderstand the problem, but not because their message is untrue. It is true that all lives matter, but it is equally true that not all lives are understood to matter, which is precisely why it is most important to name the lives that have not mattered, and are struggling to matter in the way they deserve," Butler said in an interview with The New York Times. "If we jump too quickly to the universal formulation, 'all lives matter,' then we miss the fact that black people have not yet been included in the idea of 'all lives.'"

O'Malley isn't the first Democrat to come under fire for the remark. Hillary Clinton was criticized in June for doing the same thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/

What the race baiters and the poindexters all miss is that O'Malley (and Hillary) were TRYING to include black people when they say "all lives matter" but the activists aren't having any of that.

If they become included then their cause goes out the window.
 
Judith Butler, a philosopher at the University of California, Berkeley, recently explained why some find it offensive to respond to the "Black Lives Matter" movement with the "all lives matter."

"When some people rejoin with 'All Lives Matter' they misunderstand the problem, but not because their message is untrue. It is true that all lives matter, but it is equally true that not all lives are understood to matter, which is precisely why it is most important to name the lives that have not mattered, and are struggling to matter in the way they deserve," Butler said in an interview with The New York Times. "If we jump too quickly to the universal formulation, 'all lives matter,' then we miss the fact that black people have not yet been included in the idea of 'all lives.'"

O'Malley isn't the first Democrat to come under fire for the remark. Hillary Clinton was criticized in June for doing the same thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/

What the race baiters and the poindexters all miss is that O'Malley (and Hillary) were TRYING to include black people when they say "all lives matter" but the activists aren't having any of that.

If they become included then their cause goes out the window.
I thought Judith Butler explained it quite well. Not sure why you posted that if you aren't agreeing with it.

O'Malley and others who responded with "all lives matter" aren't wrong and aren't bad guys - but they were being very tone deaf.

Since then, of course, plenty of people have taken up the "all lives matter" call who are wrong. Because they aren't saying it to be inclusive - as a few tone-deaf liberals have done - but rather to deny that black lives have been treated as if they matter less.
 
Judith Butler, a philosopher at the University of California, Berkeley, recently explained why some find it offensive to respond to the "Black Lives Matter" movement with the "all lives matter."

"When some people rejoin with 'All Lives Matter' they misunderstand the problem, but not because their message is untrue. It is true that all lives matter, but it is equally true that not all lives are understood to matter, which is precisely why it is most important to name the lives that have not mattered, and are struggling to matter in the way they deserve," Butler said in an interview with The New York Times. "If we jump too quickly to the universal formulation, 'all lives matter,' then we miss the fact that black people have not yet been included in the idea of 'all lives.'"

O'Malley isn't the first Democrat to come under fire for the remark. Hillary Clinton was criticized in June for doing the same thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/

What the race baiters and the poindexters all miss is that O'Malley (and Hillary) were TRYING to include black people when they say "all lives matter" but the activists aren't having any of that.

If they become included then their cause goes out the window.
So now you seem to understand that you are equating political marketing with a call for genocide and religious persecution. That's why you get the bizarre face. o_O
 
So now you seem to understand that you are equating political marketing with a call for genocide and religious persecution. That's why you get the bizarre face. o_O

Huh?

Anyway, ignoring that and going back to what WWJD said, you're telling me that when Democrats say "All Lives Matter" they're being sincere, but just "tone deaf."...

... but if anybody else says it, they're insincere, and wish to deny that any problems exist?

Seems to me you're doing what the black lives protesters accused O'Malley of doing.
 
Huh?

Anyway, ignoring that and going back to what WWJD said, you're telling me that when Democrats say "All Lives Matter" they're being sincere, but just "tone deaf."...

... but if anybody else says it, they're insincere, and wish to deny that any problems exist?

Seems to me you're doing what the black lives protesters accused O'Malley of doing.
Seems to me you're still trying to conflate a political slogan with genocide. It really doesn't matter if you understand that article you posted or not. The two movements are not equivalent.
 
Of course not. Do all Christians subscribe to the views of the toolbag calling for death to gays?
I didn't try to paint Christians with that brush. You're the one that decided they needed to be defended and put yourself in their camp. You will note I suggested most religious people should be wary of any guy claiming there can be only "one true religion". Why are you hell bent on seeking to cover him with some rather lame false equivalent arguments. Once again you find yourself on the wrong team. Maybe you should switch sides.
 
That notion is the biggest threat to institutionalized, organized religion. Irony at it's finest.

Why's it ironic? I'm Agnostic. And having been raised in the Unitarian Universalist Church, I have respect for all faith traditions and views. I believe there as as many valid paths up the mountain toward spiritual fulfillment as there are people. Everyone's road is different.
 
Why's it ironic? I'm Agnostic. And having been raised in the Unitarian Universalist Church, I have respect for all faith traditions and views. I believe there as as many valid paths up the mountain toward spiritual fulfillment as there are people. Everyone's road is different.
I think you misunderstood my intent. I agree with your post 100%. I guess my response didn't emphasize that too much. I'm in complete agreement with you.

However, the organized, institutionalized religions have a vested interest in never allowing such a notion to flourish. It's a threat to their existence. It's self-preservation for them. That's ironic.
 
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