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Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism-Oklahoma. Iowa next?

The OP was not the person I was asking to clarify.

I do understand Alaska's context if she teaches in Oklahoma. Or if she is just frustrated by the lack of trust in public schools. There could have been many reasons she made the statement. I was just working to get some clarification rather than assume I knew.
Speaking as a retired teacher, we all feel attacked right now. I can't remember where alaska's daughter teaches, but if it is a red state it's likely happening there as well. I know it is in Iowa.
 
The whole indoctrinating kids by teachers is just one more boogeyman the right has pushed onto the American people. My father in law argues with my teacher wife and me about what's happening in schools. I have read this board for years and explained the misconceptions, along with a lot of other teacher folks here, and it all falls on deaf ears, because we "have summers off". The majority of the kids at my school voted for Trump so nothing's coming from us.
The MAGA movement might be the most feelings-based movement in American history. There is literally no substance to any major grievance they throw out as a reason to be pissed off. About the only thing they have come close to getting right is our border security problem, which has been a problem for decades (I remember being in California in 1992 and there were many cautionary road signs with a woman figure holding the hand of a child figure while running, representing illegals crossing the border). So, not only is it nothing new, it is a regional problem that has minimal to no impact on the lives of people in Iowa or North Dakota. And yet, rural America living in the Midwest want to act like this problem is destroying their local communities.

I guess a lot of their fat asses will need a new scapegoat when Walmart has to raise their prices to $13.00 for a pound of bacon or some shit whenever Trump’s proposed policies pass and begin to take effect.

****ing idiots. All of them. But guns and Jesus and no chicks with dicks! ‘merica!
 
Just seems like a strange thing to say out of the blue. There typically is more to the picture.

Depends on the age of the kids. If she's a 1st grade teacher, it's pretty straightforward. If she's teaching high school juniors, it would seem strange to be teaching them how to read.
 
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Kind of strange statement to make by a teacher? Is there more context to this?
Why is that a strange comment when it's probably the biggest topic flooding the air waves and social media with regards to social media; "woke" indoctrination and the YUGE need to counter it with prayer and the Bible in school. Indoctrination, indoctrination, indoctrination. Are you living under a rock? :cool:
 
The whole indoctrinating kids by teachers is just one more boogeyman the right has pushed onto the American people. My father in law argues with my teacher wife and me about what's happening in schools. I have read this board for years and explained the misconceptions, along with a lot of other teacher folks here, and it all falls on deaf ears, because we "have summers off". The majority of the kids at my school voted for Trump so nothing's coming from us.
$hitty parenting and screens have 100% more impact on the classroom than any one "woke" teacher trying to indoctrinate kids.
 
Depends on the age of the kids. If she's a 1st grade teacher, it's pretty straightforward. If she's teaching high school juniors, it would seem strange to be teaching them how to read.
She teaches 4th grade at a Title 1 school. However, when she taught at the middle school level (as recently as last year), she had some kiddos who struggled with reading.

The point she's trying to make is she is too busy trying to get the children in her class to understand the basics, she doesn't have time to indoctrinate them into whatever boogie man the far right (or far left for that matter) think she's doing.
 
Yup. They'd shit themselves.
As a Christian, I'd be pissed if the teacher was up there reading from the Bible. There is literally zero time for that and furthermore, I feel that is my responsibility as a parent (if that's the path I choose for my kids) and my Church's. It isn't the responsibility of the public education system.
 
Why is that a strange comment when it's probably the biggest topic flooding the air waves and social media with regards to social media; "woke" indoctrination and the YUGE need to counter it with prayer and the Bible in school. Indoctrination, indoctrination, indoctrination. Are you living under a rock? :cool:

I probably am living under a rock. I quit social media altogether (other than this) due to the fact that there are so few middle of the road, common sense type people out there. I do my best not to take much of what the far right or left say because it is such a small % of the population.

I honestly have heard very little on this topic where I live. No offense was intended toward your daughter, I was just curious if she had a direct personal attack on her specific district by a parent or group. I was going to ask you a few more questions if that was the case.
 
I probably am living under a rock. I quit social media altogether (other than this) due to the fact that there are so few middle of the road, common sense type people out there. I do my best not to take much of what the far right or left say because it is such a small % of the population.
I applaud you for being able to do that (not have social media). I've done pretty well by only have FB and this forum, but being on here clearly exposes me to pretty much all of it; especially X. Unfortunately, that small percentage has the loudest voice.
I honestly have heard very little on this topic where I live. No offense was intended toward your daughter, I was just curious if she had a direct personal attack on her specific district by a parent or group. I was going to ask you a few more questions if that was the case.
It's probably "louder" due to that small percentage you mentioned above and it gets used as the boogie man so we can sadly focus on all the wrong things, books, bathrooms, etc.
 
That actually makes perfect sense since they don’t have any other history books that would have the constitution.
First Amendment:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

So, if we bypass the first clause of sentence one and go straight into the second clause, then schools have to permit Wicca, Satanism, Hinduism, Islam, Roman or Greek pagan orgy rituals, and all kinds of shit on that basis.

Jesus Christ these people are so ****ing stupid.
 
As a Christian, I'd be pissed if the teacher was up there reading from the Bible. There is literally zero time for that and furthermore, I feel that is my responsibility as a parent (if that's the path I choose for my kids) and my Church's. It isn't the responsibility of the public education system.
Early in my teaching career in Central Florida bible belt, I had a student in my Government class ask (southern drawl) "Coach, why can't we just stand up and pray before class? Who does it harm?" I said, "You know what? You're right. Stand up and I'll lead us in prayer." They got all excited and got up. I said "Bow your heads. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you..." She cut me off right away! And said "What is that? I meant a normal prayer!" I explained to her that was a normal prayer for Catholics. And then explained if I had actually prayed to Allah, there'd be 10 parents up in the office an hour later. They couldn't fathom that they shouldn't be allowed to pray to THEIR God and force everyone else to get on board. Those kids are now about 40 years old and the adults passing these kinds of laws.
 
Seems like it.

I think he’s yet another ambitious young Republican who sees ignorant evangelicals as the path to greater success.
I think the most likely explanation is that full immersion in religion for an inordinate amount of time severely diminishes the capacity of the human brain for intelligent thought.

That’s what we’re seeing played out here.
 
Early in my teaching career in Central Florida bible belt, I had a student in my Government class ask (southern drawl) "Coach, why can't we just stand up and pray before class? Who does it harm?" I said, "You know what? You're right. Stand up and I'll lead us in prayer." They got all excited and got up. I said "Bow your heads. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you..." She cut me off right away! And said "What is that? I meant a normal prayer!" I explained to her that was a normal prayer for Catholics. And then explained if I had actually prayed to Allah, there'd be 10 parents up in the office an hour later. They couldn't fathom that they shouldn't be allowed to pray to THEIR God and force everyone else to get on board. Those kids are now about 40 years old and the adults passing these kinds of laws.
Religious christians like to ignore the first clause of sentence one in 1A about Congress not making a law respecting an establishment of religion.
 
I applaud you for being able to do that (not have social media). I've done pretty well by only have FB and this forum, but being on here clearly exposes me to pretty much all of it; especially X. Unfortunately, that small percentage has the loudest voice.

It's probably "louder" due to that small percentage you mentioned above and it gets used as the boogie man so we can sadly focus on all the wrong things, books, bathrooms, etc.
100% Alaskaseminole, 100%
 
First Amendment:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

So, if we bypass the first clause of sentence one and go straight into the second clause, then schools have to permit Wicca, Satanism, Hinduism, Islam, Roman or Greek pagan orgy rituals, and all kinds of shit on that basis.

Jesus Christ these people are so ****ing stupid.
They take the Scalia view that religion only means the Abrahamic ones (and wink wink, not really those other two).

 
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I probably am living under a rock. I quit social media altogether (other than this) due to the fact that there are so few middle of the road, common sense type people out there. I do my best not to take much of what the far right or left say because it is such a small % of the population.

I honestly have heard very little on this topic where I live. No offense was intended toward your daughter, I was just curious if she had a direct personal attack on her specific district by a parent or group. I was going to ask you a few more questions if that was the case.
So, you come HERE for all the middle of the road, common sense type people? Lol
 
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Two thoughts. Pamela is a smoke show. Secondly the nutter is the type who thought the Duggers were normal or a good Christian Family role model.
 
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Early in my teaching career in Central Florida bible belt, I had a student in my Government class ask (southern drawl) "Coach, why can't we just stand up and pray before class? Who does it harm?" I said, "You know what? You're right. Stand up and I'll lead us in prayer." They got all excited and got up. I said "Bow your heads. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you..." She cut me off right away! And said "What is that? I meant a normal prayer!" I explained to her that was a normal prayer for Catholics. And then explained if I had actually prayed to Allah, there'd be 10 parents up in the office an hour later. They couldn't fathom that they shouldn't be allowed to pray to THEIR God and force everyone else to get on board. Those kids are now about 40 years old and the adults passing these kinds of laws.

Turns out I don't know what a normal prayer is. I did Catholic stuff until 1st communion so I thought you were doing pretty good!

Most of my religious exposure since then has been Greek Orthodox, and I don't speak Greek....
 
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