Ted Yoho Suggested Limiting Voting To Property Owners

[THE_DEVIL]

Ted Yoho strikes again.

Speaking at the Berean Baptist Church in Ocala, Fla., during his 2012 campaign, the first term Republican congressman appeared to speak fondly of limiting voting to property owners -- laws not seen since the days of the Founding Fathers.

"I’ve had some radical ideas about voting and it’s probably not a good time to tell them, but you used to have to be a property owner to vote," Yoho said in unearthed footage uploaded on Tuesday by Right Wing Watch.


The tea party congressman has made quite a name for himself in the last two years. He endorsed birtherism, said the nation's credit rating would actually be better if the United States defaulted on its debt, and called Obamacare racist toward white people. Yoho also opposed giving furloughed workers back pay during last fall's government shutdown, doubted the constitutionality of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and said allowing in-state tuition for undocumented students would reward "bad behavior."

But Yoho's lament about voting isn't original. Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips said in 2010 that returning to 19th century voting laws "makes a lot of sense."

"If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners," Phillips said.

 

[Hy_dro]

This guy sounds awesome

 

[The Tradition]

I think people should have some skin in the game. Perhaps "property owners" is a bridge too far, but "taxpayers" makes sense to me.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I think people should have some skin in the game. Perhaps "property owners" is a bridge too far, but "taxpayers" makes sense to me.

So anyone who pays sales tax is good?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

I think people should have some skin in the game. Perhaps "property owners" is a bridge too far, but "taxpayers" makes sense to me.

I agree. A citizen of this country qualifies as having skin in the game.

 

[lucas80]

I think people should have some skin in the game. Perhaps "property owners" is a bridge too far, but "taxpayers" makes sense to me.

Would Mitt Romney have been able to vote for himself?

 

[lucas80]

Yoho also probably laments how activist judges and weak kneed legislators have fiddled with the Constitution and allowed for women to get a full vote, and slaves get counted as whole people now.

 

[KitingHigh]

So anyone who pays sales tax is good?

for state elections

 

[Capital1Hawk]

I honk you should have to have an id to vote. It's pathetic that the system frown on this when you need an id to drive and are always supposed to carry is on you in the public.

As for voting based on taxes remitted that's going too far. You have the eic folks that vote on me way for assistance then you have the lobbyists for tax credits on the other side. Middle class gets hosed under both parties.

 

[artradley]

for state elections

If you've bought a gallon of gas you've paid federal taxes. If you've bought a pack of cigarettes you've paid federal taxes.

Of course it's pretty much impossible to keep track of who has paid all of these taxes. I doubt you small government people want to build an infrastructure that would track all of that, so I suppose we might as well just let everybody vote. Agreed?

 

[KitingHigh]

If you've bought a gallon of gas you've paid federal taxes. If you've bought a pack of cigarettes you've paid federal taxes.

Of course it's pretty much impossible to keep track of who has paid all of these taxes. I doubt you small government people want to build an infrastructure that would track all of that, so I suppose we might as well just let everybody vote. Agreed?

Nah, I'd rather limit it to those that pay federal income tax, and no, SS and Medicare taxes don't count.

 

[artradley]

Nah, I'd rather limit it to those that pay federal income tax, and no, SS and Medicare taxes don't count.

Well, that's certainly rational.

 

[KitingHigh]

Well, that's certainly rational.

I'll take the elimination of income tax and implementation of the FairTax as a viable substitute. Then everyone can have their vote.

Seriously, it isn't fair for those who are riding on others backs to get to choose the direction of travel.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

If you've bought a gallon of gas you've paid federal taxes. If you've bought a pack of cigarettes you've paid federal taxes.

Of course it's pretty much impossible to keep track of who has paid all of these taxes. I doubt you small government people want to build an infrastructure that would track all of that, so I suppose we might as well just let everybody vote. Agreed?

First of all - yes I agree. And Its annoying that people forget about all these other taxes and fees in addition to income tax.

And I'll do you one better. Wouldn't things cost less if businesses weren't taxed? If you've ever paid for anything in this country aren't you kind of paying tax?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

First of all - yes I agree. And Its annoying that people forget about all these other taxes and fees in addition to income tax.

And I'll do you one better. Wouldn't things cost less if businesses weren't taxed? If you've ever paid for anything in this country aren't you kind of paying tax?

Do you honestly believe business would out of the goodness of their corporate heart lower prices if taxes are lowered or done away with?

 

[KitingHigh]

Do you honestly believe business would out of the goodness of their corporate heart lower prices if taxes are lowered or done away with?

^^^doesn't understand capitalism.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

^^^doesn't understand capitalism.

^^^doesn't understand capitalism.

You obviously don't understand real world business. Its not just an academic exercise.

 

[naturalmwa]

Citizens who live in states with no income tax should be counted as 3/5th a person. They don't have enough skin in the game.

 

[naturalmwa]

It's pathetic that the system frown on this when you need an id to drive and are always supposed to carry is on you in the public.

Are we a "papers please" society now? I had no idea I was required to carry paperwork when in public now. When did that start and why are cons OK with it?

 

[Chewback]

So anyone who pays sales tax is good?

Whoa dude! Don't get too crazed. A lot of poor people pay sales tax. Not sure we want them voting though.

 

[Chewback]

If you've bought a gallon of gas you've paid federal taxes. If you've bought a pack of cigarettes you've paid federal taxes.

Of course it's pretty much impossible to keep track of who has paid all of these taxes. I doubt you small government people want to build an infrastructure that would track all of that, so I suppose we might as well just let everybody vote. Agreed?

Hey, don't forget booze.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Citizens who live in states with no income tax should be counted as 3/5th a person. They don't have enough skin in the game.

Alaskans get money from the state...we should get their votes

 

[KitingHigh]

Citizens who live in states with no income tax should be counted as 3/5th a person. They don't have enough skin in the game.

Which state would that be?

 

[86Hawkeye]

You obviously don't understand real world business. Its not just an academic exercise.

Haha!

 

[broth87]

Ted Yoho strikes again.

Speaking at the Berean Baptist Church in Ocala, Fla., during his 2012 campaign, the first term Republican congressman appeared to speak fondly of limiting voting to property owners -- laws not seen since the days of the Founding Fathers.

"I’ve had some radical ideas about voting and it’s probably not a good time to tell them, but you used to have to be a property owner to vote," Yoho said in unearthed footage uploaded on Tuesday by Right Wing Watch.


The tea party congressman has made quite a name for himself in the last two years. He endorsed birtherism, said the nation's credit rating would actually be better if the United States defaulted on its debt, and called Obamacare racist toward white people. Yoho also opposed giving furloughed workers back pay during last fall's government shutdown, doubted the constitutionality of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and said allowing in-state tuition for undocumented students would reward "bad behavior."

But Yoho's lament about voting isn't original. Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips said in 2010 that returning to 19th century voting laws "makes a lot of sense."

"If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners," Phillips said.

There should be a general knowledge test you have to pass on government to vote. Of course if that were the case and Democrats had to pass an intelligence test, no Democrat would ever get elected.

 

[artradley]

Which state would that be?

Texas, for one.

 

[artradley]

Whoa dude! Don't get too crazed. A lot of poor people pay sales tax. Not sure we want them voting though.

Apparently.

 

[artradley]

^^^doesn't understand capitalism.

I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't understand. Prices are not based on expenses, they're based on demand.

 

[KitingHigh]

I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't understand. Prices are not based on expenses, they're based on demand.

And competition.

 

[KitingHigh]

Texas, for one.

Wrong. Texans pay the same rate of federal income tax as everyone else.

In fact they pay more per capita than most states, and are second only to California is gross revenue paid to the Feds.

 

[artradley]

Wrong. Texans pay the same rate of federal income tax as everyone else.

In fact they pay more per capita than most states, and are second only to California is gross revenue paid to the Feds.

You asked who doesn't pay state income tax.

 

[KitingHigh]

You asked who doesn't pay state income tax.

No, I pointed out the flaw in Naturals post.

 

[artradley]

No, I pointed out the flaw in Naturals post.

He referred to states that don't have income tax. You asked who that would be. I correctly mentioned Texas.

I don't know how more clear that could be.

If you want to point out the "flaw" in Naturals post perhaps you should actually put together an argument.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't understand. Prices are not based on expenses, they're based on demand.

I'm confused..... If an industry has a significant reduction in expenses wouldn't prices ultimately decline? Don't lower prices increase demand?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

He referred to states that don't have income tax. You asked who that would be. I correctly mentioned Texas.

I don't know how more clear that could be.

If you want to point out the "flaw" in Naturals post perhaps you should actually put together an argument.

He'd rather look clever (in his own eyes) than actually contribute relevant information to the discussion.

This happens a lot on this board. We are probably all guilty of it from time to time. So I'll give Kiting a pass on it this time. But it really doesn't help the conversation much unless it's clear what the gotcha poster's point is.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Ted Yoho ... has made quite a name for himself in the last two years. He endorsed birtherism, said the nation's credit rating would actually be better if the United States defaulted on its debt, and called Obamacare racist toward white people. Yoho also opposed giving furloughed workers back pay during last fall's government shutdown, doubted the constitutionality of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and said allowing in-state tuition for undocumented students would reward "bad behavior."

I agree with one of those. The rest are insane.

In case anyone is wondering, I agree that furloughed workers should not have been paid. As long as we are talking about vested interest, if America votes for people who would shut the government down, why should those who made such bad voting choices get a paid vacation out of it? Let them feel the bite and then remind them next election time who shafted them and where their vested interests lie.

I know, I know, not very liberal or compassionate of me. But we have a safety net for those who would be hurt too badly, don't we?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

But Yoho's lament about voting isn't original. Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips said in 2010 that returning to 19th century voting laws "makes a lot of sense."

"If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners," Phillips said.

Anyone care to try to defend this absurd claim?

Why does having some land (especially if it's partly owned by the bank) impart more of a vested interest than just living here, or owning a car, or having kids...?

I'd really love to get beyond just accepting this ludicrous assertion as though it makes good sense. Because it doesn't. It's just a power play that smells like feudalism.

 

[artradley]

Btw, it seems incredible to me that were actually having this kind of conversation. What's the next idea, poll tax? After all, if your concern is people's taxable income then this is clearly just an attempt to stop poor people from voting.

And you wonder why some of us see through voter ID's as nothing more than an attempt to put more barriers to voting.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Btw, it seems incredible to me that were actually having this kind of conversation. What's the next idea, poll tax? After all, if your concern is people's taxable income then this is clearly just an attempt to stop poor people from voting.

And you wonder why some of us see through voter ID's as nothing more than an attempt to put more barriers to voting.

Bingo.

 

[KitingHigh]

He'd rather look clever (in his own eyes) than actually contribute relevant information to the discussion.

This happens a lot on this board. We are probably all guilty of it from time to time. So I'll give Kiting a pass on it this time. But it really doesn't help the conversation much unless it's clear what the gotcha poster's point is.

Sometimes the lack of logical thinking here is really disappointing.

Natural referred to people in states without income tax as being counted as 3/5 (cute reference, but irrelevant) of a person, as if those people weren't paying their share. There is no state where citizens don't have to pay income taxes (to the IRS). Therefore the argument is invalid.

It's not rocket surgery.