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During the last Republican debate there was a section where several candidates talked about moving more education back to the states. Texas is a prime example of why state officials should not be in charge of educating children.
didnt the feds in stalins russia and nazi germany educate the kids?
 
The study is about reduced access to women's health services not including abortion. Again, read the article. Texans hate science.
i cant read it, app needed. But abortions is all they do. And access isn't exactly the right wording there. The americans with disabilities acts makes it so everyone has access to the building
 
i cant read it, app needed. But abortions is all they do. And access isn't exactly the right wording there. The americans with disabilities acts makes it so everyone has access to the building
i cant read it, app needed. But abortions is all they do. And access isn't exactly the right wording there. The americans with disabilities acts makes it so everyone has access to the building

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How can HE be the troll? You're the one posting about the Christian Jihad Hatin' on Science....

Jihad means holy war. Are you truly saying there isn't a battle being fought in Texas over women's health? An article was published by respected scientists in a peer reviewed journal respected worldwide. As a result, these scientists were attacked by politicians in Texas for daring to speak the truth. Truth has no place in their holy war. The only truth that is real is what is written in their book of fairy tales.

And you know OiT is a troll.
 
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Jihad means holy war. Are you truly saying there isn't a battle being fought in Texas over women's health? An article was published by respected scientists in a peer reviewed journal respected worldwide. As a result, these scientists were attacked by politicians in Texas for daring to speak the truth. Truth has no place in their holy war. The only truth that is real is what is written in their book of fairy tales.

And you know OiT is a troll.

"women's health"

I'm sorry... could you please at least use the phrase "reproductive health"?.... It's slightly more honest.
 
Jihad means holy war. Are you truly saying there isn't a battle being fought in Texas over women's health? An article was published by respected scientists in a peer reviewed journal respected worldwide. As a result, these scientists were attacked by politicians in Texas for daring to speak the truth. Truth has no place in their holy war. The only truth that is real is what is written in their book of fairy tales.

And you know OiT is a troll.
I don't know if you can be a troll if you really believe what you write.
 
I know you and trad do, thx guys, but seriously never really understood it. Sort of like gambling not a big fan of gambling. Sort of like shopping for clothes or smething, not a huge fan
 
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Two researchers employed by the state may face discipline for coauthoring a study that shows women's health may suffer as a result of the Christian jihad in Texas against planned parenthood. How dare these scientists use facts to face up to a problem that came about as a direct result of policy decisions made in the state.

http://news.yahoo.com/2-texas-researchers-under-fire-planned-parenthood-study-172540185.html

Do you happen to have a link to the article they published that started the mess? This article alludes to its content, but is fairly vague.
 
During the last Republican debate there was a section where several candidates talked about moving more education back to the states. Texas is a prime example of why state officials should not be in charge of educating children.

That's EXACTLY why conservatives has been pushing for this for years.
 
A different look at the issue.

By Bre Payton
September 28, 2015

Vox claims that if the federal government were to pull its funds to Planned Parenthood, many women would lose access to health care. But actually, there really are plenty of federally funded healthcare providers that could fill the void were Planned Parenthood to lose tax dollars or close clinics.

Using statistics from the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice organization that operates as basically the research arm of Planned Parenthood, Vox states that Planned Parenthood is the only publicly funded contraceptives provider in 103 counties nationwide, and that they serve a majority of low-income women in 229 counties.

At first glance, this statistic seems suggest that if Planned Parenthood locations were to close or lose funding, women in hundreds of counties would lose access to contraception — but the situation in Texas discredits that assumption altogether.

Since 2012, the Lone Star State has ceased to fund Planned Parenthood clinics within its borders. Instead, women can rely on the Women’s Health Program, a network of clinics that distribute contraception and provide other health services. The other clinics within the network essentially replaced Planned Parenthood.

The other clinics within the network essentially replaced Planned Parenthood.
“According to a study by George Washington University, this resulted in community clinics increasing their women’s health care services by an average of 81 percent,” The Daily Signal reported.

History tells us that if those Planned Parenthood clinics were to close within those 103 counties as a result of losing federal funds, other clinics would be able to fill in the gap, and eventually replace them. Additionally, there are over 13,000 community health centers in the United States, compared to 900 Planned Parenthood locations, and these health centers actually offer more services than Planned Parenthood, like mammograms.

Community Health Centers Can Handle The Extra Patients
Vox points out that Planned Parenthood clinics see more patients for contraceptive purposes than do other health centers. They say that a Planned Parenthood clinic sees an average of 2,950 birth control patients per year, while public health centers see only 750, and federally qualified health centers see 330 annually. These numbers give the impression that if Planned Parenthood were defunded, thousands of new patients would swarm community health centers that wouldn’t be able to handle the increase.

The truth is, by their own estimation, Planned Parenthood sees about 2.7 million patients for birth control annually. If these women went to any of the 13,000 community health centers instead, that would amount to about one additional patient every other day for these health centers.


Texas Isn’t The Worst
Vox excoriates Texas as the worst place ever for women’s health. They say that after the state decided to stop funding Planned Parenthood, their Women’s Health Program provided care to 9 percent fewer women than in 2011. That statistic is true. Additionally, Texas saw a 26 percent drop in Medicaid claims and 54 percent fewer contraceptive claims. These numbers may sound alarming. The decrease in claims for Medicaid and contraception combined with the fact that fewer women are getting care sounds like many low-income women have been hurt by defunding Planned Parenthoods in Texas.

But, as the Daily Signal reported:

In 2013, right after Texas ousted the organization, Planned Parenthood clinics in the state agreed to pay $4.3 million to settle a federal civil suit brought by the Justice Department under President Obama. The suit claimed the organization fraudulently billed Medicaid for women’s health care services such as birth control from 2003 to 2009.

So the drop in claims could really be evidence that Planned Parenthood stopped cooking their books after getting busted by the DOJ.

Half A Million Women Won’t Lose Health Care
Vox claims that between 130,000 to 630,000 women “would lose access to care” if Planned Parenthood were to be defunded. This statement is based off of a recent Congressional Budget Office report, but if you read it carefully, that’s not what the report says. The report claims that somewhere between 5 and 25 percent of women who rely on Planned Parenthood “would face reduced access to care.” That could mean they would need to drive further away to receive taxpayer funded contraception. Using Texas as a case study however, it’s clear that community health centers have the capacity to replace Planned Parenthood, so it’s unlikely that so many women would be stranded without health care.

This suggests that defunding Planned Parenthood could actually decrease the abortion rate.
Delivering and caring for a baby is more expensive than just aborting it, Vox reported (as if that needs to be substantiated). The CBO estimates defunding Planned Parenthood would cost taxpayers $130 million over the course of 10 years, due to the rise in unplanned pregnancies leading to children that taxpayers would have to support. Based on how the CBO arrived at its earlier 5 and 25 percent figures, their estimations of the rates of unintended pregnancies seem rather arbitrary. Indeed, the evidence seems to point to the opposite effect—defunding Planned Parenthood seems to potentially have a correlation with a decrease in abortion rates.

After Planned Parenthood was defunded in Texas, abortion rates plummeted. From 2012 to 2013, they decreased by 6.5 percent, while the pregnancy rates remained roughly the same. This suggests that defunding Planned Parenthood could actually decrease the abortion rate.

So, yes, women can just “go somewhere else” if lawmakers defund Planned Parenthood.
 
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A different look at the issue.

By Bre Payton
September 28, 2015

Vox claims that if the federal government were to pull its funds to Planned Parenthood, many women would lose access to health care. But actually, there really are plenty of federally funded healthcare providers that could fill the void were Planned Parenthood to lose tax dollars or close clinics.

Using statistics from the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice organization that operates as basically the research arm of Planned Parenthood, Vox states that Planned Parenthood is the only publicly funded contraceptives provider in 103 counties nationwide, and that they serve a majority of low-income women in 229 counties.

At first glance, this statistic seems suggest that if Planned Parenthood locations were to close or lose funding, women in hundreds of counties would lose access to contraception — but the situation in Texas discredits that assumption altogether.

Since 2012, the Lone Star State has ceased to fund Planned Parenthood clinics within its borders. Instead, women can rely on the Women’s Health Program, a network of clinics that distribute contraception and provide other health services. The other clinics within the network essentially replaced Planned Parenthood.

The other clinics within the network essentially replaced Planned Parenthood.
“According to a study by George Washington University, this resulted in community clinics increasing their women’s health care services by an average of 81 percent,” The Daily Signal reported.

History tells us that if those Planned Parenthood clinics were to close within those 103 counties as a result of losing federal funds, other clinics would be able to fill in the gap, and eventually replace them. Additionally, there are over 13,000 community health centers in the United States, compared to 900 Planned Parenthood locations, and these health centers actually offer more services than Planned Parenthood, like mammograms.

Community Health Centers Can Handle The Extra Patients
Vox points out that Planned Parenthood clinics see more patients for contraceptive purposes than do other health centers. They say that a Planned Parenthood clinic sees an average of 2,950 birth control patients per year, while public health centers see only 750, and federally qualified health centers see 330 annually. These numbers give the impression that if Planned Parenthood were defunded, thousands of new patients would swarm community health centers that wouldn’t be able to handle the increase.

The truth is, by their own estimation, Planned Parenthood sees about 2.7 million patients for birth control annually. If these women went to any of the 13,000 community health centers instead, that would amount to about one additional patient every other day for these health centers.


Texas Isn’t The Worst
Vox excoriates Texas as the worst place ever for women’s health. They say that after the state decided to stop funding Planned Parenthood, their Women’s Health Program provided care to 9 percent fewer women than in 2011. That statistic is true. Additionally, Texas saw a 26 percent drop in Medicaid claims and 54 percent fewer contraceptive claims. These numbers may sound alarming. The decrease in claims for Medicaid and contraception combined with the fact that fewer women are getting care sounds like many low-income women have been hurt by defunding Planned Parenthoods in Texas.

But, as the Daily Signal reported:

In 2013, right after Texas ousted the organization, Planned Parenthood clinics in the state agreed to pay $4.3 million to settle a federal civil suit brought by the Justice Department under President Obama. The suit claimed the organization fraudulently billed Medicaid for women’s health care services such as birth control from 2003 to 2009.

So the drop in claims could really be evidence that Planned Parenthood stopped cooking their books after getting busted by the DOJ.

Half A Million Women Won’t Lose Health Care
Vox claims that between 130,000 to 630,000 women “would lose access to care” if Planned Parenthood were to be defunded. This statement is based off of a recent Congressional Budget Office report, but if you read it carefully, that’s not what the report says. The report claims that somewhere between 5 and 25 percent of women who rely on Planned Parenthood “would face reduced access to care.” That could mean they would need to drive further away to receive taxpayer funded contraception. Using Texas as a case study however, it’s clear that community health centers have the capacity to replace Planned Parenthood, so it’s unlikely that so many women would be stranded without health care.

This suggests that defunding Planned Parenthood could actually decrease the abortion rate.
Delivering and caring for a baby is more expensive than just aborting it, Vox reported (as if that needs to be substantiated). The CBO estimates defunding Planned Parenthood would cost taxpayers $130 million over the course of 10 years, due to the rise in unplanned pregnancies leading to children that taxpayers would have to support. Based on how the CBO arrived at its earlier 5 and 25 percent figures, their estimations of the rates of unintended pregnancies seem rather arbitrary. Indeed, the evidence seems to point to the opposite effect—defunding Planned Parenthood seems to potentially have a correlation with a decrease in abortion rates.

After Planned Parenthood was defunded in Texas, abortion rates plummeted. From 2012 to 2013, they decreased by 6.5 percent, while the pregnancy rates remained roughly the same. This suggests that defunding Planned Parenthood could actually decrease the abortion rate.

So, yes, women can just “go somewhere else” if lawmakers defund Planned Parenthood.

Would you agree that studies like the one done by these Texas scientists are important and should not be repressed for political reasons?
 
I think planned parenthood should not be propped up with taxpayers' money- for political reasons

If Planned Parenthood developed a cure for cancer, a source of unlimited free energy, and beer that would no make you fat all in the same day, should government not purchase those items?
 
Would you agree that studies like the one done by these Texas scientists are important and should not be repressed for political reasons?
Not big on the repressing information argument.

Since the study was not repressed your point is a little off for me. I think any government agency should give out the information as requested, which it did. They didn't co-author a report that was presented to the state government for them to look at the effects.

"It's one thing for an agency to provide data upon request. It's quite another to be listed as a 'co-author' on a deeply flawed and highly political report," said Nelson, an architect of Texas' current women's health program. "I've communicated strong concerns to the agency. This should not have happened, and we need to make sure it doesn't happen again."
 
After Planned Parenthood was defunded in Texas, abortion rates plummeted. From 2012 to 2013, they decreased by 6.5 percent, while the pregnancy rates remained roughly the same. This suggests that defunding Planned Parenthood could actually decrease the abortion rate.

Wonder what Texas plans to do with all those babies. They already have a nearly 10% uninsured rate for children. I might think they cared if they addressed that. As it is, this is just Texas being Texas - all hat, no cattle.
 
Not big on the repressing information argument.

Since the study was not repressed your point is a little off for me. I think any government agency should give out the information as requested, which it did. They didn't co-author a report that was presented to the state government for them to look at the effects.

"It's one thing for an agency to provide data upon request. It's quite another to be listed as a 'co-author' on a deeply flawed and highly political report," said Nelson, an architect of Texas' current women's health program. "I've communicated strong concerns to the agency. This should not have happened, and we need to make sure it doesn't happen again."

Would another scientist in Texas that happens to be employed by the state be discouraged from conducting research because the outcome may contradict the views of an elected politician? That is repression.
 
During the last Republican debate there was a section where several candidates talked about moving more education back to the states. Texas is a prime example of why state officials should not be in charge of educating children.

I'm not so sure. Why shouldn't Texas (and Texans) be allowed to be raised as ignorant? Sure they will cost us all more taxpayer money, but Texas does that in a Texas-sized way already.
 
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