That was one of the weirdest BB game finishes I've ever witnessed...

[Joes Place]

...post-hoc flagrant call on WI?

Yes, correct call, but shouldn't they then have waived the Wieskamp bucket off? That screen 'hook' occurred before his shot.

If you're going to 'rewind' that, they should have reset the clock back to that foul, taking JW's points off and with the McCaffrey miss, the score should have been 61-59, not 63-59.

Not complaining about the free points, but that was truly a strange ending with the flagrant, then the Garza TF, etc.

 

[brownd7949hawks]

Ya I guess I don’t understand how they rule that either. Coulda been a 6 point possession if they didn’t miss 2 free throws.

 

[archmage2002]

Ya I guess I don’t understand how they rule that either. Coulda been a 6 point possession if they didn’t miss 2 free throws.

Because it was a review during a stoppage, it was considered a deadball flagrant 1.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Well, that makes 3 of us

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Because it was a review during a stoppage, it was considered a deadball flagrant 1.

That I can get, but you'd think there would be something in the rules where you don't get the ball if the foul happened right before you make a basket (that counts).

Oh well, made me breathe a bit easier. No harm, no foul(oh wait!)

 

[MepoDawg#]

I was cussing Luka when he got a technical. I thought it was 2 shots and ball for Wisconsin which could have given them a chance to tie. Good thing didn’t know the actual rule.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Or maybe the punishment is designed to not have that type of garbage in the game. ‘Targeting’ type of penalty

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I was cussing Luka when he got a technical. I thought it was 2 shots and ball for Wisconsin which could have given them a chance to tie. Good thing didn’t know the actual rule.

I had a similar moment of panic, but immediately was thinking, just grab whoever is cutting on the inbound since we were up 5... (2 free throws makes it three, then they shoot 2 with only a couple seconds left)

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I had a similar moment of panic, but immediately was thinking, just grab whoever is cutting on the inbound since we were up 5... (2 free throws makes it three, then they shoot 2 with only a couple seconds left)

they proceed to make the first and tip the 2nd

 

[AestroHogs]

The refs didn't blow the whistle as it happened. It was a deadball foul that was called on review. Sort of like how you can't stop a team from hitting a three to tie by sucker punching some other player before the shooter gets his shot off.

 

[ThrowBones92]

...post-hoc flagrant call on WI?

Yes, correct call, but shouldn't they then have waived the Wieskamp bucket off? That screen 'hook' occurred before his shot.

If you're going to 'rewind' that, they should have reset the clock back to that foul, taking JW's points off and with the McCaffrey miss, the score should have been 61-59, not 63-59.

Not complaining about the free points, but that was truly a strange ending with the flagrant, then the Garza TF, etc.

The foul was not called on the court. The play finished, then they went to review for possible flagrant contact. All of the play leading up to the dead ball where the F1 personal foul was issued stands. Then the penalty is administered when the F1 is discovered - two free throws to the offended player and the ball awarded at the spot of the foul. Play continues from there. Play was handled correctly by the crew.

 

[HerkysDad]

Little was communicated at the game....Imam sure the announcers expressed their opinions on TV.

 

[iahawks10]

Fredrick took a shot to the chin a little while before that. He looked dazed for a moment. He’s a tough young man as well as Toussaint.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Fredrick took a shot to the chin a little while before that. He looked dazed for a moment. He’s a tough young man as well as Toussaint.

The whole team’s tough. We really don’t have a soft player this year.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Fredrick took a shot to the chin a little while before that. He looked dazed for a moment. He’s a tough young man as well as Toussaint.

This one puzzled me. I thought they always used to say that if you swung your elbows above your shoulders in a situation like that it would be a foul.

 

[rendango]

The line in vegas was Iowa -6 LOL. Like, come on. I'm not a conspiracy guy when it comes to spreads and calls late in the game, but those calls at the end were insanely whacky and the game magically ended up with Iowa winning by exactly 6.

 

[sober_teacher]

Little was communicated at the game....Imam sure the announcers expressed their opinions on TV.

After watching last night, I'm convinced Bardo would be happy if zero fouls were called during a game. Several occasions where Wisconsin was playing physically, got called for it, and he wasn't happy about it.

 

[24 so far]

The line in vegas was Iowa -6 LOL. Like, come on. I'm not a conspiracy guy when it comes to spreads and calls late in the game, but those calls at the end were insanely whacky and the game magically ended up with Iowa winning by exactly 6.

Well, Them's the rules! I'm not sure how they determine stoppage and review (bodies hitting the floor probably starts it I suppose...), but I was surprised Garza didn't shoot some free throws after getting whacked in the head late. I don't think it was intentional, but that doesn't seem to matter. Instead he cusses and gets T'd up.

 

[Call me rocket]

The end was fitting for the whole game. Weird and ugly.

 

[DodgerHawki]

That I can get, but you'd think there would be something in the rules where you don't get the ball if the foul happened right before you make a basket (that counts).

Oh well, made me breathe a bit easier. No harm, no foul(oh wait!)

It was completely 100% by the rules. The refs can go back and review for the hook and hold, which they did. The reason they can is that stuff like what Davidson did is so difficult to see in live action when the ref closest to it is looking for an illegal screen (there wasn't). No ref blew the whistle for a foul as it was happening and Wieskamp scored.

Once guys ended up on the ground and Conor was indicating that he got punched and hooked, they looked at it. If it turned out that it was just a collision, no foul would have been called and they would have moved on. They wouldn't have even called a foul if contact had been excessive one way or the other. But the hook/hold is an automatic Flagrant 1. It greatly benefited Iowa obviously, but if douche Davidson doesn't commit a punk foul, then it doesn't happen.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Well, Them's the rules! I'm not sure how they determine stoppage and review (bodies hitting the floor probably starts it I suppose...), but I was surprised Garza didn't shoot some free throws after getting whacked in the head late. I don't think it was intentional, but that doesn't seem to matter. Instead he cusses and gets T'd up.

Reuvers attempted to get the ball and hit Garza in the face. It happens all the time. Pritzl or whomever for Wisconsin said something and Garza didn't like that. Hard to maintain composure in all situations, but luckily Iowa had a 5-point lead or whatever at the time.

 

[Rifler]

After watching last night, I'm convinced Bardo would be happy if zero fouls were called during a game. Several occasions where Wisconsin was playing physically, got called for it, and he wasn't happy about it.

Bardo typically roots against the Hawks right up until the moment he realizes they are about to win,.. then he quickly resorts to knob slobbering to cover his tracks ...

 

[paladinhawk]

I was cussing Luka when he got a technical. I thought it was 2 shots and ball for Wisconsin which could have given them a chance to tie. Good thing didn’t know the actual rule.

Did the Hawk's get possession after Davison's flagrant because it was a deadball foul? Luka's foul was basically a personal foul that would lead to ejection if he committed a 2nd flagrant...

 

[hawkeyez]

The line in vegas was Iowa -6 LOL. Like, come on. I'm not a conspiracy guy when it comes to spreads and calls late in the game, but those calls at the end were insanely whacky and the game magically ended up with Iowa winning by exactly 6.

I locked in the Hawks at -5.5

#winnning!

 

[Joes Place]

Reuvers attempted to get the ball and hit Garza in the face. It happens all the time. Pritzl or whomever for Wisconsin said something and Garza didn't like that. Hard to maintain composure in all situations, but luckily Iowa had a 5-point lead or whatever at the time.

Reuvers is usually kind of a chippy player, too, but that hit to the face was incidental and nothing to call him for. Just hard play trying to tie a game up.

Davison is a punk. Glad he cost them the game. 1 more Flagrant 1 in a game like that, which could injure another player, and he should be out of the BT entirely.

League office should issue WI a warning on it:

One more play like that by Davison, and he's no longer a BT player - you can keep him on scholly if you want, but he ain't playing in our League. You can drop his scholly, but it'll be encumbered, regardless and you cannot use in on another player until he would normally graduate. You Decide, Wisconsin. If you want him, you own him along with that baggage. Get him under control, or dump him.

 

[CO_hawk]

That was a painfully weird game to watch.
Don't like Wisconsin's style of play or. davidson. The rest are ok in my book.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Bardo typically roots against the Hawks right up until the moment he realizes they are about to win,.. then he quickly resorts to knob slobbering to cover his tracks ...

I used to sort of enjoy Bardo's work, but this year he's getting old. Maybe just because he seems to be doing a ton of Iowa games, but even my wife was noticing him saying the same stuff over and over again and she's only just in the room and not really paying attention.

 

[MepoDawg#]

The line in vegas was Iowa -6 LOL. Like, come on. I'm not a conspiracy guy when it comes to spreads and calls late in the game, but those calls at the end were insanely whacky and the game magically ended up with Iowa winning by exactly 6.

They would not have called a technical on Garza up 5 if that was the case.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

The end was fitting for the whole game. Weird and ugly.

Welcome to Wisconsin Basketbrawl.

 

[kwik44]

I was cussing Luka when he got a technical. I thought it was 2 shots and ball for Wisconsin which could have given them a chance to tie. Good thing didn’t know the actual rule.

You could see Fran tense after technical, before Wisconsin two shots. Then of course 81% ft shooter misses the first, and Fran is all smiles bsing with assistants. I too thought they'd get two fts and ball back.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Did the Hawk's get possession after Davison's flagrant because it was a deadball foul? Luka's foul was basically a personal foul that would lead to ejection if he committed a 2nd flagrant...

Yes, JW’s shot counted, Connor got 2 FT’s and Iowa got possession after said FT’s. I didn’t know they changed the rule on technicals 3-4 years ago. Probably when the flagrant fouls came into existence.

 

[cidhawkeye]

That was a painfully weird game to watch.
Don't like Wisconsin's style of play or. davidson. The rest are ok in my book.

Pretzle is a chippy little Davidson clone. #35 spent a great deal of time whining to the refs. It is a hand checking, bumping, clutching, grabbing clinic they put on. I haven’t seen so many solid ‘inadvertent’ shots to people’s head and face before. Fran yelling at Connor to get off the floor when he was arguing a call was filled with irony. A good win, afraid it may take a lot out of the team headed to Maryland.

 

[Rifler]

Pretzle is a chippy little Davidson clone. #35 spent a great deal of time whining to the refs. It is a hand checking, bumping, clutching, grabbing clinic they put on. I haven’t seen so many solid ‘inadvertent’ shots to people’s head and face before.

This is part of the problem with having a dirty player like Davison on that team,.. He infects his teammates, and they start thinking that style of play is OK,.. Gard doesn't address it because he needs the job....

 

[JupiterHawk]

Do you think Luka deserved the technical call? I thought it was a benign makeup call until I realized how significant it was.

 

[Rifler]

Do you think Luka deserved the technical call? I thought it was a benign makeup call until I realized how significant it was.

Depends on what he said,.. After getting beat on for the entire game I'm sure that final punch to the face caused him to unleash a torrent,.. If he didn't deserve it, he at least earned it...

 

[mstp1992]

Depends on what he said,.. After getting beat on for the entire game I'm sure that final punch to the face cause him to unleash a torrent,.. If he didn't deserve it, he at least earned it...

There's one specific word that he must've said directed at someone in particular that got him the technical.

 

[Rifler]

There's one specific word that he must've said directed at someone in particular that got him the technical.

I suspect that's true...

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Fran yelling at Connor to get off the floor when he was arguing a call was filled with irony.

Except that any good coach in any sport tells his players that it's the coach's job to deal with the officials, not the player's. So I know what you mean, of course, but although it may seem ironic at first glance, it really isn't.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Except that any good coach in any sport tells his players that it's the coach's job to deal with the officials, not the player's. So I know what you mean, of course, but although it may seem ironic at first glance, it really isn't.

This one was a little more escalated both because Connor wasn’t listening to the official or Fran, insisting it was a clean strip. I think the official gave a little more leeway on that one because of how Fran was yelling at Connor and not complaining about the call.

 

[iahawks10]

Pretzle is a chippy little Davidson clone. #35 spent a great deal of time whining to the refs. It is a hand checking, bumping, clutching, grabbing clinic they put on. I haven’t seen so many solid ‘inadvertent’ shots to people’s head and face before. Fran yelling at Connor to get off the floor when he was arguing a call was filled with irony. A good win, afraid it may take a lot out of the team headed to Maryland.

Agreed. How many “inadvertent” elbows and forearms to face does one team have to take before you start asking how inadvertent they really were. Wisconsin is a very dirty team and you’ll never convince me otherwise. It’s weird that the only technical/flagrant called was a verbal on Iowa and a groin shot by Wisconsin.

I also thought CBB was trying to get away from contact to the head with the whole concussion issue. Guess the pendulum has swung back some. Wahl’s elbow to Garza was absolutely intentional, but no surprise that those worthless F’s missed it and didn’t review it. I hope the B1G office reviews it though. There’s no need for that behavior in college bball.

Also laughed at Fran yelling “Connor!!” That was more dad than coach there. I didn’t hear it at the game, but the tv audio picked it up clearly. Pretty funny. I agree with Aristotle. I don’t see it as ironic. It’s the coach’s job to address it properly. Fran may not always do it properly (some irony I agree). But like many have said, these Iowa players don’t back down from anyone. They have no problems mixing it up.