look at history. the reality is that Trump v.2028 is not going to be Trump v.2024. it's not like the 300 or so senior R's that will be floating around this town over the next four years don't have egos and ambitions.
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Or 25th amendment. Or impeachment. Dying may be more likely, but becoming blatantly incompetent isn't out of reach.
With Thiel and Andreesen and the like behind him, how long will the silicon cabal be willing to wait to have their guy in charge? If Trump doesn't head to the exit on his own, they'll push him. I don't know how, but they'll figure it out.
You may be right. A Pete-AOC ticket would be decent. As would a Newsom-Whitmer ticket. But a woman on top may have to wait for the Rs to pull it off.
A compliant SCOTUS will decide that "natural born" only means you can't be President if you were an IVF baby incubated and tended by machines. Otherwise, if you were born naturally, you're good to go.
If you're thinking even the Alito-Thomas Court couldn't go that far, are you sure about that?
Alternatively, Musk could spend $billions to have the constitution amended. It's clear that Americans can be bought. So why not buy that? And frankly, I'd vote for it, too. It's a stupid requirement.
And, while he's at it, Elon could buy an amendment to get rid of the 2-term limit.
He just seems to be saying a lot of what the majority of people want to hear. I think he is certainly gunning for a run.
Fetterman started out looney but now makes a lot of sense on many subjects. I think the pressure at first got to him and his mental state but the guy has recovered strong.
If I was a Republican I'd want:
Vance
Don Jr
Ramaswamy (maybe)
If I was Democrat I'd want:
AOC
Shapiro
Buttigieg (maybe)
As an independent, I kinda sorta want:
Chris Chistie
J.B. Pritzger
Fetterman
DeSantis (maybe)
Vance
Don Jr
Ramaswamy (maybe)
If I was Democrat I'd want:
AOC
Shapiro
Buttigieg (maybe)
As an independent, I kinda sorta want:
Chris Chistie
J.B. Pritzger
Fetterman
DeSantis (maybe)
Especially after serving as POTUS for a couple years.
Man, I haven't even processed this one. I don't even want to think about 4 years from now.
The guy that took 3 months off during the worst supply chain crisis in American history? For Paternity leave? Run him. Primary him. He'll do worse than Kamala did out of the gate in 2019/20.
Why can't Dems be serious and run someone who gives a shit about Americans? Why is all about "identity".
If Dems want to run a Bernie, or an AOC, or a Whitmer, or a Newsome, have at it. You'll lose as this country has seen your wolves clothing.
Give me a Beshear, Moore, anyone that has to work across the aisle and does so with the good of the constituency in mind.
Finally, how about a democrat businessman/woman? Like Cuban?
Those are acceptable centrist positions in a national race,.. Dems need a Sister Souljah moment with their left leaning base and I think Shapiro has it in him...
I'm still waiting for the inside stories about whether Newsom and/or Whitmer wanted to be the 2024 ticket. The way things went, I doubt it. Or were they slapped down?
I'm hoping to see a serious 3rd party effort. Or maybe one each on the sensible left and sensible right. Both major parties are just different flavors of corporate shills. We basically vote on which coalition of corporations we want to run things.
Hoping, as I said, but it's hard to see a path for that to happen. It's almost like we need a multi-billionaire (or several) who doesn't just plan to work for himself and his fellow-plutocrats. Is there such a person?
Hoping, as I said, but it's hard to see a path for that to happen. It's almost like we need a multi-billionaire (or several) who doesn't just plan to work for himself and his fellow-plutocrats. Is there such a person?
Slapped down,.. Joe's endorsement of Kamala, plus her direct access to the war chest, doomed their desires.
Donald J Trump is going to win a historic third term by the widest margin in U.S. electoral history.
With Don Jr as the likely Veep.
With Don Jr as the likely Veep.
Do you ever see a possibility of a Dem or Rep picking a VP candidate from the opposing party?
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Polis, Shapiro, Beshear would all be excellent choices if they care to win the election.
So my bet is they nominate Newsome and lose.
Unlikely but remotely possible, imo. Manchin might have gotten the nod from the Rs. I can't think of anyone that might have been OK to the Dems, but maybe I'm forgetting someone.
Polarization has become more extreme, especially on the right*. Making them less likely to either accept a Dem or provide someone the Dems would accept.
*We saw a couple of instances this year of Dems primarying progressive incumbents and kicking them to the curb. On the R side you get primaried for not being far enough to the extreme right.
Winning is important if you want to get important stuff done. So there's that.
But what good is winning if you have crap policies?
I don't know enough about the policy stances of Polis or Bashear. All 3 are well-spoken, but Shapiro is wrong on some important issues.
Do the Dems really think they can win in 2028 - 4 years closer to climate apocalypse - by running another pro-fracker? Do they think they can appeal to decent people by running another genocide defender? They certainly won't get my vote.
The two I mentioned: fracking and genocide.
Yeah, I get it. He doubtless took the positions he did for political reasons. And I'd probably be OK with that if they weren't so important. But at some point you have to take a stand. When we're talking the climate crisis and the slaughter of innocents, there is no justification for being political.
JMHO
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HB Heisman
Agree to disagree, I think Newsome has bad policies and is unelectable so he is 0-2 in my book. But that is why primaries are important. If enough people feel like you do then he will get his shot.
I've liked Newsom from a distance for a quite a while, but he did a couple of things recently I didn't like. Can't remember what. My sense is that he's still good, on balance, but maybe not a good as I used to think.
It will be a trump for the Republicans guaranteed. Dictators don’t willingly step down. I have Fetterman as the favorite for Democrats. It’s really too soon to predict on the Dem side.
We are living in the third term of Obama right now and it’s a ****ing disaster area.
Imagine for a moment that a magnitude 8 earthquake occurred somewhere in the world, and the Western corporate media refused to use the word “earthquake” in reporting it, instead talking ambiguously of a "tectonic incident" that had caused buildings to collapse and people to die.
Obviously, reporters would be called out for deliberate linguistic ineptness and a bizarre obfuscation of truth. And yet just such a verbal sleight of hand has been on display for more than 14 months in the Gaza Strip, where corporate media outlets continue to dance around the word “genocide” while the Israeli military carries out the systematic mass killing of Palestinians.
more here
What We Talk About When We Don’t Talk About Genocide
Corporate media outlets continue to dance around the word “genocide” while the Israeli military carries out the systematic mass killing of Palestinians.
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I don't think so. In the era of TVs, he lacks a polish. Now that may come in the next 3 years, esp with recorvery from his health issue, he could turn a corner. 3 years is a long time.
I would also say that viable options could be Shapiro, Hakeem Jeffrier or JB Pritzker. Again, 3 years is a long time. Trump will do something stupid in the next 3 years and someone may step forward and be the voice against him that rallies support. Don't know if he is interested, but Chris Murphy from CT is another possibility.
I like Mayor Pete, but I don't think we are there yet. That also makes me question the viability of Polis regardless of ability.
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