I think you may have just made the best case for coach of the year.
The 2nd greatest woman’s b-ball player of all time??
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The fact she wasn't on a team like UConn and still carried her school to 2 title games is part of what makes her the goat.
And it isn't just the scoring. It's the passing and all around game she had in college. Never before has someone had that level of game in women's college basketball.
Clark’s a good scorer and passer but below average on defense. Not really her fault as defense, especially man to man defense was not stressed at Iowa. Lisa needed Clark to focus on offense. That’s what made Jordan so good, he was the best player on the court at both ends.
So you're arguing that she needed to be a better defender to be the women's college basketball GOAT? Also, she was fine on defense. Much of the issue was poor team defense, not individual.
If you are arguing she isn't the college GOAT, please let us know who you think is and why.
Nancy Lieberman and Cheryl Miller should be at the top of any list and you can go from there.
They were playing against hairdressers and waitresses. If you go back that far, you’re talking about a horrible talent pool overall.
Stats will not back this up…but I will always argue that Iowa was actually a very good defensive team when they needed to be.
Go back and watch the end of close games last year…Iowa won games by suddenly becoming this shut down defense team.
The rest of the time it was more about style of play…if you want to play fast like Iowa you cannot be a shut down defense during the bulk of the game. If you try to be a shut down defense you will slow the game down and that just was not going to be good for Iowa.
Before you make another stupid comment you might want to do a little research on the two of them.
Are we really comparing CC to Jordan? SMH.
Let me ask the CC is the GOAT supporters, who was the greatest golfer af all time? Woods or Nicklaus?
Let me ask the CC is the GOAT supporters, who was the greatest golfer af all time? Woods or Nicklaus?
Who do you think is the greatest women's college basketball player of all time and why?
Personally my top 2 are Cheryl Miller and Breanna Stewart. (Just talking college here since that is what you asked)
My rationale for both:
Cheryl Miller -
2 National Championships, 3x National Player of the Year, 2x Tournament MOP
As you may know injuries cut her pro career, and they really did not have much for women professionally back then.
Breanna Stewart who I would give the GOAT nod to -
4x National Champion at UCONN
4x Tournament MOP
3x National Player of the Year
Her lifetime accomplishments are too long to list here but those are a few of her college awards. I get she played on loaded teams but to me that makes the 4x MOP honors even more impressive.
I really put very little credence into the opinion of the vast majority of women’s BB fans who readily admit they just started watching the game due to Clark
I’ve been watching for 35+ years as a longtime girls bb coach.
I would probably put Candace Parker right behind those 2.
Opinions do.
Facts don’t.
Clark is the best women’s player ever. Period
I respect what you’re saying. Not trying to be mean. But she just is.
I can respect your opinion but listing national championships as an accolade towards best player is just silly.
Put CC on those UConn teams and she has 4 championships.
Part of what elevates CC to best college player ever for me is that she had the number of assists she did playing with lesser talent at Iowa.
Certainly it's subjective but to have CC not even in your top 3 all time college is craziness.
That is where the discussion had moved to and I think it's a more valid question. CC not having a long enough pro career yet to say she's best all time at that level.
I agree on both points which is why I brought up Tiger. If it is 2008 and Tiger is 33 years old with 14 majors, everyone in the world is saying he is the best ever and he will end with 25 majors……..
Best ever is performance over a long career. Is Caitlin the best college player ever? There is a very good case to be made that she is. Is she the best of all time? Today she is lucky to be in the top 40. Where does she finish in 15-20 years? Don’t know, but I wouldn’t bet against her. The problem people have with CC super fans is that when anyone points this out, they go into hyper-butthurt mode. Unfortunately those fans make people dislike CC. Ironically, she is very level headed about the whole situation even if some of her fans are batsh!t crazy.
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Fair enough. I agree to disagree. Enjoy the day Rocky Mountain
I agree 100% on the 4 championships, but her individual stats probably would have suffered a great deal.
Lots of others to take over both the scoring and assist load.
Her minutes per game would have been reduced most likely
Lots to think about when forming an opinion
And yeah. After thinking a bit I’d probably move her to 2B
Let's look at it from the opposite perspective. If you put any of the other considered players on the Iowa team the last two years, would they have been able to elevate the team to the level that Caitlin Clark did?
It’s not about the two of them, it’s about the state of the women’s game back when they played. I coached girls basketball 30 years ago and the talent level nowadays is light years ahead of where it was 30+ years ago.
The main reason why Caitlin is the GOAT isn’t just because she is one of the best in the league in steals, blocked shots, & rebounding right away in her rookie season.
She has an offensive side to her too. Not just defensive domination.
Girl can score & pass with the best in the league also!
She has an offensive side to her too. Not just defensive domination.
Girl can score & pass with the best in the league also!
All of this is speculation and opinion.
Nobody else has ever played the game like she does.
She stands out above all others.
Here is an analogy, and this is big-time old-school, but as far as I’m concerned, Marcus Dupree is the greatest running back of all time. His size his speed, his fluidity he was a marvel, if you’ve never seen him play Check some YouTube videos, with that said he lasted a year and a half transferred a couple times then blew his knee out in the USFL. I loved watching him run and he had the most talent I think still to this day. Thats CC, she has a lot more to prove to be the greatest women’s basketball player ever, but her tool package is unrivaled, I’m not gonna argue with anybody about it. It ultimately comes down to subjectivity and opinion. But that’s how I see it. She is not yet Miller or Parker or DT, name your player, but she can be that and more
In your opinion. I can agree no one before her could shoot/score like she did.
No one had ever played the game like Bill Russell did. Is he the GOAT?
Then no one ever, and still hasn’t, stuffed the stats like Chamberlain. Is he the GOAT?
No one ever shot like Steph Curry. Is he the GOAT?
No one ever threw the ball like Marino. Is he the GOAT.
I would say she has the chance to be. But not yet
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That I can agree with
But I don’t think Dupree had the mental make up to be the best
I maintain it's essentially impossible to name a goat in team sports.
There's always someone who did something never done before until the next person does something more.
You obviously haven't watched much college WBB other than the past couple of years if you have to ask that. Yeah, she is the all-time leading scorer and a good passer but greatest all around player in the history of women's college basketball, no way -- Cheryl Miller, Candace Parker, Chamique Holdsclaw, and Candace Parker -- multi talented players on both ends of the court, leading their teams to multiple championships.
I've been watching since about 1995. Not everyone that differs in opinion from you or thinks CC is the college goat is a Johnny Come lately.
In fact, you'll be perplexed to learn that many long time women's college basketball pundits have anointed her as such.
She played fine defense in college on teams that promoted fast break/run and gun style play. Her scoring and passing was unmatched and her rebounding was astounding for a guard.
College 🐐
I would guess you have seen “The Best That Never Was”.
Dupree got really bad advice from people that were only after money. You were right, when he was healthy he was as good as anyone ever. Really good call.
I had forgotten about that, but yes, I have seen it and Barry Switzer. I think to this day still maintains. He was the best when healthy and his head was screwed on.
If you plugged either Breanna Stewart or Cheryl Miller on Lisa Bluder's team would they've bested Caitlin's accomplishments?
Miller? Obsoletely not.
Stewart? ???
