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Before I start criticizing anyone, I just want to say something about Ferentz's salary. Sure, I don't think he deserves that much money. But even if he only made $1 a year, I still think the job he's doing, the stubbornness, keeping GD, etc., is a problem.

Sure, Ferentz is a problem, but who is responsible for not only NOT fixing the problem, but intentionally making the problem worse by keeping him around, not holding him accountable for poor job performance, and giving him contract extensions?

If Barta won't solve the problem he's a worse problem. Ferentz is a fan base's worst nightmare. The only reason Iowa isn't as bad as ISU is because, despite Ferentz's best attempts to make us look non-sexy, Iowa is just plain sexier than ISU. We have Hayden Fry to thank for that.

Now I am glad that Iowa made it to the Orange Bowl twice, winning one, and making it to the Rose Bowl last year for the first time in a generation. Some people think that's evidence that KF is the best we can get. But it's not like that happens very often. Winning our division and the conference is our goal every year. It should be the goal of every team. But achieving that goal once every 7 or 10 years isn't acceptable. Making an appearance in a major bowl game once a decade or so isn't evidence of a good coach, nor does it excuse half the seasons being mediocre.

I honestly think that if ISU's recent coaches were head coaches at Iowa, they wouldn't do any worse. They would definitely have more success at Iowa simply because of the better image and reputation Iowa has compared to ISU. If KF was the head coach at ISU, he wouldn't do any better than the recent ISU coaches, either. In fact, he might do worse. Last year was a fluke. When we played decent teams, we lost. Sure, we beat the teams we were supposed to, but we just weren't as good as everyone thought, so last year is inaccurate in measuring KF's job performance. KF isn't willing to make necessary changes to right the ship. Neither is Barta.

Some people think that if Ferentz is fired (kinda like if gravity just hypothetically just stopped - it isn't going to happen) that things would just fall apart at Iowa. That we wouldn't win a game for 5 years. I really don't think that's the case. Even if we got an absolute dumb coach, I don't think it would be as bad as people think. Some people think that Ferentz is the best we'll ever get, so don't let him go! As long as the next coach is willing to change, adapt to situations, and just plain care about the program and have pride in himself, the fans, the team, and the university, I think he would have the ingredients to succeed. Having the right attitude, the drive, the desire is more important than not having as much on his resume as Ferentz had. Even if the next coach is absolutely dumb, if he's charismatic and wants to win, players are going to want to play for him.

Barta should be held accountable for his mistakes as well. But he isn't being held accountable. Hell, maybe Barta's bosses TOLD him to give him those insane contracts for all we know. The truth is, only Barta can hold Ferentz accountable, but he won't.

Who will hold Barta accountable? The president? The board? I don't see that happening.

Just my opinions. I'm probably totally wrong. Wouldn't surprise me. Go Hawks
 
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To be fair, it's a college. A college that actually prides itself on academics. This isn't the south.
 
Not totally wrong.. I don't think Kirk needs to be fired but for shits sake mix something up to get your team back.. something to unite your team that is clearly not on the same page. I would have loved him to go on a presser rant yesterday about how his guys deserved a better chance to win around officiating..

Is it true? Absolutely not but screw that, these kids need something to get them going!
 
Yup, the problem is, KF isn't hired to win games. He is hired to run a respectable program (which he does) and keep Iowa out of the headlines in negative ways. Wins are just a nice addition when they happen.

I also agree, with a new staff we are NOT going to be worse, and certainly have a MUCH higher ceiling.

I do think its crazy, seriously, Barta doesn't have a boss? He doesn't have to answer to anybody? That is not a good situation for anybody!
 
Not totally wrong.. I don't think Kirk needs to be fired but for shits sake mix something up to get your team back.. something to unite your team that is clearly not on the same page. I would have loved him to go on a presser rant yesterday about how his guys deserved a better chance to win around officiating..

Is it true? Absolutely not but screw that, these kids need something to get them going!
Spot on. Game v Minny is on the coaches now. When the kids come to practice this week 'and it's the same old, same old,' the rest of the season will be brutal. Coaches have to put in a game plan for Saturday that the team thinks will work and that will be exciting to implement.
 
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Our "fans" think so little of our program that they believe that of KF is fired, we don't have the worth to attract a decent coach. Leave it to them, no one would ever want to coach here except some mid tier assistant at a MAC program.

I'm sorry but $4 mil is attractive to many folks. Especially when you don't necessarily have to be 12-0 every year.

The realistic expectation at Iowa should be what Wisky and Sparty are doing. Playoffs contender every 3-5 years but at least division contender every year. And top tier bowl every year with an actual win.
 
Our "fans" think so little of our program that they believe that of KF is fired, we don't have the worth to attract a decent coach. Leave it to them, no one would ever want to coach here except some mid tier assistant at a MAC program.

I'm sorry but $4 mil is attractive to many folks. Especially when you don't necessarily have to be 12-0 every year.

The realistic expectation at Iowa should be what Wisky and Sparty are doing. Playoffs contender every 3-5 years but at least division contender every year. And top tier bowl every year with an actual win.
Our next head coach will not start remotely close to 4 mil a year. Probs half that. I think your other expectations seem about right.
 
I am merely going to say this. Many people feel the Kirk Ferentz should be fired, many people feel that this is just the way it's going to be at Iowa. The bottom line is this, Kirk Ferentz is not going anywhere until Kirk Ferentz wants to. So really it's kind of waste of time for people to come here demanding a coaching change. whether you support Captain Kirk or not because he's not going anywhere
 
Love it when our knowledgable fans want the head of GD but place no accountability on Brian Ferentz who is an average O-Line coach at best.
 
I am merely going to say this. Many people feel the Kirk Ferentz should be fired, many people feel that this is just the way it's going to be at Iowa. The bottom line is this, Kirk Ferentz is not going anywhere until Kirk Ferentz wants to. So really it's kind of waste of time for people to come here demanding a coaching change. whether you support Captain Kirk or not because he's not going anywhere
Which is the worst part about Iowa struggling. If Iowa sinks, fans have nowhere to go to stay afloat. They just go down with the good Captain's ship.

It's either that or they see the writing on the wall and start abandoning ship and this time actually follow up on their threats of never coming back until Kirk is gone.

Can't tell you how many people said they were done with Iowa football as long as Kirk was head coach, in 2014, only to be right back on here gleefully posting away in 2015 as full-fledged Hawk fans reborn.............
 
Our fans don't seem to understand the outside perception of Iowa. If we fired Ferentz it would make it harder to get a decent candidate. Tom Davis Part 2 at this point, deal with it.
 
Don't kid yourself, Iowa isn't that great of a college. There are many SEC schools that are on par with Iowa.
Academically the SEC is Vanderbilt,Florida and believe it or not Alabama. Iowa is a middle of the pack B1G ten school academically and they rank about where Bama is. Alabama is the dirty little secret some on the academic side hate. A successful athletic program helps the academic side. 10 years ago they were your streotypical SEC school academic wise.
 
Our fans don't seem to understand the outside perception of Iowa. If we fired Ferentz it would make it harder to get a decent candidate. Tom Davis Part 2 at this point, deal with it.

Hate this sentiment that people keep throwing out there, the chicken sh*t theory,

I COMPLETELY disagree. It is still a VERY high profile job, that pays the very best. Would have TONS of choices of great coaches to choose from.

Would Barta blow it and not hire the best person? Sure, that's a definite possibility. But that is on him, not the program and it's potential. Certainly not a viable reason for not getting rid of the currently stale product.

my .02 anyways.
 
Don't kid yourself, Iowa isn't that great of a college. There are many SEC schools that are on par with Iowa.

You have got to be joking! Just as an example in one field of study, the University of Iowa is ranked 20th amongst all law schools (and are regularly between 15 and 20 year-in and year-out). Iowa is third among all B10 schools in law (Michigan and NW ranked higher). There are five Big Ten law schools in the top 25 and nine Big Ten schools among the top 50.

The SEC? One top 50-ranked law school (Georgia). That's it. Please, never ever try to compare the academics of SEC schools with the Big Ten ever again (unless it's to make fun of the SEC which is really just kind of cruel, like picking on the mentally retarded kid for not understanding algebra).
 
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Our fans don't seem to understand the outside perception of Iowa. If we fired Ferentz it would make it harder to get a decent candidate. Tom Davis Part 2 at this point, deal with it.
I willing to take that chance...it will never happen..wish he'd just retire..Iowa football is stale and boring..last year all the stars aligned and we got a dream season with a nightmare bowl game. Staff has to improve recruiting more than any other weakness..
 
Our "fans" think so little of our program that they believe that of KF is fired, we don't have the worth to attract a decent coach. Leave it to them, no one would ever want to coach here except some mid tier assistant at a MAC program.

I'm sorry but $4 mil is attractive to many folks. Especially when you don't necessarily have to be 12-0 every year.

The realistic expectation at Iowa should be what Wisky and Sparty are doing. Playoffs contender every 3-5 years but at least division contender every year. And top tier bowl every year with an actual win.

Though I get what you are saying, because he has 14 yrs left on his contract, this conversation is moot.
 
You have got to be joking! Just as an example in one field of study, the University of Iowa is ranked 20th amongst all law schools (and are regularly between 15 and 20 year-in and year-out). Iowa is third among all B10 schools in law (Michigan and NW ranked higher). There are five Big Ten law schools in the top 25 and nine Big Ten schools among the top 50.

The SEC? One top 50-ranked law school (Georgia). That's it. Please, never ever try to compare the academics of SEC schools with the Big Ten ever again (unless it's to make fun of the SEC which is really just kind of cruel, like picking on the mentally retarded kid for not understanding algebra).

Stupid post. Law school isn't everything when comparing schools; not even remotely close. Your credibility sucks too. Vanderbilt University consistently has a Top 20 law school, for starters. Here they are, ranked #16 by U.S. News & World Report (just one example) : http://grad-schools.usnews.rankings...s/top-law-schools/vanderbilt-university-03147

I would also take my University of Florida degree over an Iowa degree, any day. At best, Iowa is a slightly better school (not really). In the end, it's about the person more than the school. No one gives a shit about what school you graduated from or what your GPA was in the real world. You gain your reputation based on your competence and social skills.
 
Hate this sentiment that people keep throwing out there, the chicken sh*t theory,

I COMPLETELY disagree. It is still a VERY high profile job, that pays the very best. Would have TONS of choices of great coaches to choose from.

Would Barta blow it and not hire the best person? Sure, that's a definite possibility. But that is on him, not the program and it's potential. Certainly not a viable reason for not getting rid of the currently stale product.

my .02 anyways.
I agree Iowa is still a high profile job AT THIS POINT. What worries me is....if the program continues in mediocrity most seasons (or even, heaven forbid, regresses) Iowa may not be high profile any longer, in which case it will be more challenging to get a "great" coach.

In my humble opinion, I think Iowa's next coach should be a young, energetic up-and-comer who will surround himself with other energetic up-and-comers. Coaches who's energy is infectious to the players...not coaches who are buzzkills.

Do I trust Barta to make a good hire? Hard to say. He hired Fran, which was good. But he has not once, but twice, handcuffed us to Kirk with two of the most ridiculous contracts in coaching history.
 
Stupid post. Law school isn't everything when comparing schools; not even remotely close. Your credibility sucks too. Vanderbilt University consistently has a Top 20 law school, for starters. Here they are, ranked #16 by U.S. News & World Report (just one example) : http://grad-schools.usnews.rankings...s/top-law-schools/vanderbilt-university-03147

I would also take my University of Florida degree over an Iowa degree, any day. At best, Iowa is a slightly better school (not really). In the end, it's about the person more than the school. No one gives a shit about what school you graduated from or what your GPA was in the real world. You gain your reputation based on your competence and social skills.

You can look across all graduate and doctoral programs and in every one the B10 is going to crush the SEC. As far as individual schools versus individual schools, it's going to depend on the school's research strengths. But I agree that Florida is easily one of the best SEC schools. I would much prefer a law degree from Iowa versus Florida. Also medical degrees, fine arts, and engineering. Florida has better business, physics, programs. Mathematics and biological sciences are a push with Iowa. We could go on and on, but it's obviously dependent on degrees for each university. But I'll certainly concede that Florida is a high quality school on par with Iowa. For the SEC as a whole, though, it's like the SEC in football versus the B10: the SEC doesn't have the depth in terms of academics from top to bottom and the B10's top academic schools (Michigan and NW) are much better in almost every field than the best of the SEC's programs.

As far as no one caring which school you are from in the real world, that's definitely not true. If you come from a highly regarded school within your field of study your options are going to be much, much higher within that field coming out of school and even down the line if you perform well on the job. If the college didn't matter then everyone would just go to the cheapest school available and have fun until they graduate without putting in any work.
 
Don't kid yourself, Iowa isn't that great of a college. There are many SEC schools that are on par with Iowa.

Dude, there are a heck of a lot of majorly ignorant posts on this board, but yours might take the cake. Vandy, Florida, and recent additions Mizzou and aTm are the only schools in the SEC anyone would consider "on par with Iowa." Maybe you would consider that "many" SEC schools (4 out of 14), but your post suggested that there isn't much of a difference academically between Iowa and a typical SEC school, which is absolute hogwash.
 
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I always think its funny that fans give barta credit for hiring fran. While i think fran is an ok coach, he certainly hasnt lit the college basketball world on fire. He looks better because he rescued us from the dumpster fire that was lickliter, which was barta's doing. Couple that horrible hire with two ridiculous contracts for kf and barta looks like hes not very good at what he does
 
I always think its funny that fans give barta credit for hiring fran. While i think fran is an ok coach, he certainly hasnt lit the college basketball world on fire. He looks better because he rescued us from the dumpster fire that was lickliter, which was barta's doing. Couple that horrible hire with two ridiculous contracts for kf and barta looks like hes not very good at what he does

Well he is a NDSU graduate right?
 
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