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To me this piece does a really good job of capturing why it is that so many conservatives right now are railing against "woke" history on topics of race and the like. It isn't the history existing at all -- it's the conclusions drawn from that history and popularity and spread of those views into our education system.

It is also what I have problem with -- not that these sorts of takes exist -- but rather their popularity and frequency within educational and lefty intellectual spheres. (it's dumb to be so taken with these sort of fatalistic takes on race and our history)


For many historians today, the present is forever trapped in the past and defined by the worst of it.
By George Packer

MARCH 8, 2023

When i was in school, American history was taught as a series of triumphs over wrongs that belonged to the past. Slavery was evil, but the Civil War ended it; then the civil-rights movement ended segregation. The vote was extended to more and more Americans—starting with white men, then women, Black people, and finally even 18-year-olds—thus fulfilling the promise of democracy. There was no atoning for the near elimination of Native Americans, but somehow it didn’t invalidate the story of progress. Abroad, the U.S. led the cause of freedom against fascism and communism; Japanese internment, McCarthyism, and Vietnam were mistakes that didn’t erase the larger picture. It was an optimistic narrative, reassuring, shallow, and badly in need of a corrective.


We’re now living in a golden age of fatalism. American culture—movies and museums, fiction and journalism—is consumed with the most terrible subjects of the country’s history: slavery, Native American removal, continental conquest, the betrayal of Reconstruction, Jim Crow, colonialism, militarism. In scholarship, works whose objective is to puncture our hopeful but misguided myths dominate, and titles such as Unworthy Republic, The End of the Myth, Illusions of Emancipation, and Stamped From the Beginning claim prestigious prizes. This mode of analysis doesn’t just revise our understanding of American history, illuminating areas of darkness that most people don’t know and perhaps would rather not. It also draws a straight line from past to present.

In a country world-famous for constant transformation, historical fatalism believes that nothing ever really changes. Mass incarceration is “the new Jim Crow”; modern police departments are the heirs of slave patrols. Historical fatalism combines inevitability and essentialism: The present is forever trapped in the past and defined by the worst of it. The arrival of the first slave ship on these shores in 1619 marked, according to The New York Times Magazine, “the country’s true birth date” and “the foundation on which this country is built.” Cruelty, inequity, and oppression endure in the American character not only as elements of a complex whole but as its very essence. Any more ambiguous view—one that sees the United States as a flawed experiment, marked by slow, fitful progress—is an illusion, and a dangerous one.

The new fatalism has its own historical causes, and they’re not hard to see: the failures of the War on Terror and the neoliberal economy, stubborn inequality, the disappointments of the Obama presidency, videos of police brutality, global warming, the rise of Donald Trump. There is no shortage of evidence to justify a dark interpretation of American history. But what’s striking is how eagerly the new fatalism crosses from empiricism into metaphysics. In search of original facts, historians and journalists go digging where the ugliest facts are buried, and what begins in research ends in dogma. They aren’t just looking to fill in gaps of knowledge, or going where the historical evidence leads them. Instead they replace one myth with another one, as powerful and even attractive in its way as the naive story of July 4, 1776, being the fountain of liberty and equality for all. Disillusionment is as appealing to some temperaments as wishful thinking is to others.


Freedom’s dominion: A Saga of White Resistance to Federal Power, by Jefferson Cowie, a historian at Vanderbilt University, is a gem of the new fatalism. Synthesizing brilliant research in fluent prose, and writing with an indignation that’s all the more damning for being understated, Cowie explores the history of Barbour County, in Alabama’s Black Belt, at the southeastern corner of the state. Here, white settlers drove out Creek Indians in the early 19th century; white planters made cotton fortunes on the seized land with Black slave labor; defeated white Confederates restored their wealth and power using Black convict labor and a Jim Crow constitution; white mobs enforced their racist social order with lynchings. When the civil-rights movement eventually reached Barbour County, in the mid-1960s, white politicians kept Black voters out of power with intimidation and chicanery. By then, a native son of Barbour County named George Wallace was ruling Alabama as its arch-segregationist governor and taking the cause of white resistance national.


Cowie’s theme is how the sacred American creed of freedom serves to justify racial domination. At every turn in the harsh tale of Barbour County, white residents resisted challenges to their supremacy by invoking their birthright as free people. At nearly every turn, the federal government made inadequate efforts on behalf of equal Black citizenship, before yielding to the demands of white “freedom” backed by violence. “Those defending racism, land appropriation, and enslavement portrayed themselves, and even understood their own actions, as part of a long history of freedom,” Cowie writes. In his infamous 1963 inaugural address vowing “segregation forever,” Governor Wallace used the word freedom 24 times. To Wallace and his constituents, the real tyrant was the federal government, issuing its court orders and sending down its marshals and troops to impose its laws against the will of white Alabamians. Cowie quotes a blunt question from the 18th-century British essayist Samuel Johnson that could have been the book’s epigraph: “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”

In the uses of freedom, Cowie argues, domination is as central to the American creed as individual liberty and self-government. Freedom as white power “is not an aberration but a virulent part of an American idiom.” The history of Barbour County “was not much different than what happened in the rest of the Black Belt, the South, or the nation.” For proof, Cowie recounts the nationwide appeal of Wallace’s presidential campaigns in 1968 and 1972 (“We’re going to show there sure are a lot of rednecks in this country,” Wallace said before the ’68 election). The stories Cowie has excavated in Barbour County “are not simply regional tales lost in the dark, overgrown thickets of the past. They are quintessentially American histories—inescapably local, yet national in theme, scope, and scale.” The historian concludes: “To confront this saga of freedom is to confront the fundamentals of the American narrative.”

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These claims are the heart of Cowie’s book. In one sense, they’re incontestable. Few Americans today embrace the overt goal of white supremacy, but the freedom to take away someone else’s rights at gunpoint is as American as the freedom to insult the president or make a pile of money. If you drive through rural Pennsylvania, you’ll see the Stars and Bars flying from houses in towns where the main square features a monument with a long honor roll of Union dead. The January 6 insurrectionists carried Gadsden banners and Confederate flags and railed against government jackboots. Though they might not state it openly, for some Americans Black equality + the federal government = tyranny is a permanent equation.

But on second glance, there’s something strange and willful about picking Barbour County, Alabama, as the exemplary American place. It would be hard to find a more brutal and benighted one, but fatalism makes the selection understandable. The Times recently published an op-ed under the headline “What If Hale County, Ala., Is the Heart of America?” Hale County—about 200 miles northwest of Barbour—was the setting for Let Us Now Praise Famous Men, James Agee and Walker Evans’s Depression-era portrait of white tenant farmers; today the county’s Black majority remains deeply impoverished. Perhaps Barbour County and Hale County are the twin hearts of America.

My mother’s side of the family comes from Birmingham, Alabama, which is notorious for its history of white supremacy and violence. But the recent history of Birmingham, with its Black mayors and progressive politics, tells a somewhat less fatalistic story than Cowie’s tale of Barbour County. Another historian might argue that the history of Kings County, New York, where I’m writing this essay, can equally claim to represent the nation’s past. What if Brooklyn were the heart of America? That would give a very different picture of freedom—one largely shaped by immigration, ethnic competition, coalition building, and liberal state power, in addition to racial discrimination. But it might be better not to go looking for the national essence anywhere.


Cowie tells us that he wanted to write about white resistance to federal power, and “Barbour County found me.” He did indeed go digging where the ugliest facts lay buried, some quite close to the surface. When he took the step from writing superb history to diagnosing American character, the choice of place determined the conclusion. But constructing a narrative of the country’s past is the business of everyone, not just the professionals, and getting the facts right isn’t enough. As the philosopher Richard Rorty wrote in his 1998 book, Achieving Our Country, “Stories about what a nation has been and should try to be are not attempts at accurate representation, but rather attempts to forge a moral identity.” The stories we tell ourselves about the past allow us to see the country we want.

Did america become america in 1619, or 1776, or some other year? There is no objective answer. The answer is a choice, an expression of values, and the choice implies a story. Politics is a competition between stories—and it’s as politics that the new fatalism leads to a dead end. On a landscape strewn with the deflated remnants of old myths, with the country’s essence distilled to its meanest self, what moral identity is it possible to build? Punctured myths make us better students of history, but they leave nothing to live up to. Shame is a shaky foundation for any project of renewal. You can’t tell someone that he’s made a mess of his life because of his own bad character and then expect him to change. “National pride is to countries what self-respect is to individuals,” Rorty wrote: “a necessary condition for self-improvement.”


Cowie argues for a new narrative to combat that of Barbour County: “a vigorous, federally enforced model of American citizenship that is not afraid to fight the many incarnations of the freedom to dominate.” In other words, he wants the United States to start doing what, in his telling, it has largely failed to do for 200 years. But white resistance to federal power runs so deep in Freedom’s Dominion that no other model is plausible. If Barbour County is the dark heart of America, the course of the story is foretold. Progressive scholarship makes progressive politics seem hopeless.


Our political moment, composed of catastrophism and stagnation, offers no obvious way out. This impasse produces the magical thinking of fatalism: History is a living nightmare—wake up to justice! A popular idea calls for change by plebiscite and demography: Rewrite the Constitution, get rid of its anti-majoritarian features, create true democracy, and a new majority will carry out the progressive policies the country wants. In Two Cheers for Politics, the legal scholar Jedediah Purdy makes an eloquent case for more democracy as the path to national renewal. He suggests extending the franchise to noncitizens and holding a new constitutional convention every 27 years. Purdy acknowledges that democracy means giving power to people and ideas you might not like. Still, I sense he believes—despite election after election showing this country to be almost evenly split—that the correct majority will rule.


There’s no shortcut out of our impasse. The only way forward is on the long road of organization and persuasion. This is the theme of Timothy Shenk’s recent book Realigners. “There’s no one thread tying the history of American democracy together, no abiding center, no single answer,” Shenk writes. “But there is a recurring question: How can you build an electoral majority?” Shenk—whose progressive credentials include co-editing Dissent magazine—rejects “skeleton-key histories” such as the new fatalism that draws “a straight line from slavery in the seventeenth century to systemic racism in the twenty-first.” Realigners is about Americans—political leaders and thinkers, given that democratic politics is a contest among elites for popular legitimacy—who changed the country by helping to create majorities that lasted long enough to break with the past. They’re not the usual suspects. Shenk’s protagonists include the Democratic Party kingpin Martin Van Buren; the radical Republican Senator Charles Sumner; Mark Hanna, William McKinley’s campaign mastermind; W. E. B. Du Bois, Walter Lippmann, Bayard Rustin, Phyllis Schlafly.

Shenk’s portraits and stories are not the stuff of utopian dreams. Electoral majorities are extremely hard to build in our system. They depend on the convergence of public sentiments, historical events, political talent, institution building, and luck. They have to sustain contradictions and bring opponents together in unlikely coalitions. They never last more than a couple of decades. The only constant is change. The new fatalism gives us an open-and-shut vision of the past, but for inspiration in shaping the future, we have to look elsewhere.
 
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To me this piece does a really good job of capturing why it is that so many conservatives right now are railing against "woke" history on topics of race and the like. It isn't the history existing at all

No; it's eliminating the history they don't like.
They want the sterilized versions of it, w/o the ugly past.

Anything "woke" is something they don't like, or don't want to hear. It's a term that has no real definition for them; the verbal equivalent of a chameleon.
 
No; it's eliminating the history they don't like.
They want the sterilized versions of it, w/o the ugly past.

Anything "woke" is something they don't like, or don't want to hear. It's a term that has no real definition for them; the verbal equivalent of a chameleon.
Yikes. No. That's the stupid spin (some of) the left puts on this one. It's disingenuous.
 
Yikes. No. That's the stupid spin (some of) the left puts on this one. It's disingenuous.
No. Claiming we live in an era of 'fatalism' is a stupid spin. It's possible that Americans are now learning that our history is nuanced and difficult. However, most generations received an American Exceptionalism version of history; wrong v. right; good v. evil, etc. I mean, take for example, the Alamo where history books still have that Travis drew a line in the sand and all the soldiers except one crossed the line. Then they all died valiantly in defense of freedom. This story, for the most part, is bullshit.
 
No. Claiming we live in an era of 'fatalism' is a stupid spin. It's possible that Americans are now learning that our history is nuanced and difficult. However, most generations received an American Exceptionalism version of history; wrong v. right; good v. evil, etc. I mean, take for example, the Alamo where history books still have that Travis drew a line in the sand and all the soldiers except one crossed the line. Then they all died valiantly in defense of freedom. This story, for the most part, is bullshit.
Well, to figure out if we live in this era of 'fatalism' you'd have to be tapped in enough to the ideas and literature popular in certain circles of influence on these topics to see if this is true or not. (and then know what is filtered on down to more broadly to public ed)

Anyway... Packer's take. It's about a specific sort of content and that produces a specific sort of (fatalistic) viewpoint. I thought he absolutely nailed it. My exact criticism with this stuff.

To care isn't (necessarily) to paint an accurate picture. To cover ground that wasn't covered in the past isn't (necessarily) to paint an accurate picture.

And it doesn't matter that we used to paint an inaccurate picture the opposite direction.

The problem isn't the telling of the story of Barbour County, Alabama... it's the conclusions and observations you draw from that story that I have a problem with. The picture that's painted for the reader. (in this example)
 
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Well, to figure out if we live in this era of 'fatalism' you'd have to be tapped in enough to the ideas and literature popular in certain circles of influence on these topics to see if this is true or not. (and then know what is filtered on down to more broadly to public ed)

Anyway... Packer's take. It's about a specific sort of content and that produces a specific sort of (fatalistic) viewpoint. I thought he absolutely nailed it. My exact criticism with this stuff.

To care isn't (necessarily) to paint an accurate picture. To cover ground that wasn't covered in the past isn't (necessarily) to paint an accurate picture.

And it doesn't matter that we used to paint an inaccurate picture the opposite direction.

The problem isn't the telling of the story of Barbour County, Alabama... it's the conclusions and observations you draw from that story that I have a problem with. The picture that's painted for the reader. (in this example)
removing the American Exceptionalism bias is not fatalism.
 
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These claims are the heart of Cowie’s book. In one sense, they’re incontestable. Few Americans today embrace the overt goal of white supremacy, but the freedom to take away someone else’s rights at gunpoint is as American as the freedom to insult the president or make a pile of money. If you drive through rural Pennsylvania, you’ll see the Stars and Bars flying from houses in towns where the main square features a monument with a long honor roll of Union dead. The January 6 insurrectionists carried Gadsden banners and Confederate flags and railed against government jackboots. Though they might not state it openly, for some Americans Black equality + the federal government = tyranny is a permanent equation.

But on second glance, there’s something strange and willful about picking Barbour County, Alabama, as the exemplary American place. It would be hard to find a more brutal and benighted one, but fatalism makes the selection understandable. The Times recently published an op-ed under the headline “What If Hale County, Ala., Is the Heart of America?” Hale County—about 200 miles northwest of Barbour—was the setting for Let Us Now Praise Famous Men, James Agee and Walker Evans’s Depression-era portrait of white tenant farmers; today the county’s Black majority remains deeply impoverished. Perhaps Barbour County and Hale County are the twin hearts of America.

My mother’s side of the family comes from Birmingham, Alabama, which is notorious for its history of white supremacy and violence. But the recent history of Birmingham, with its Black mayors and progressive politics, tells a somewhat less fatalistic story than Cowie’s tale of Barbour County. Another historian might argue that the history of Kings County, New York, where I’m writing this essay, can equally claim to represent the nation’s past. What if Brooklyn were the heart of America? That would give a very different picture of freedom—one largely shaped by immigration, ethnic competition, coalition building, and liberal state power, in addition to racial discrimination. But it might be better not to go looking for the national essence anywhere.


Cowie tells us that he wanted to write about white resistance to federal power, and “Barbour County found me.” He did indeed go digging where the ugliest facts lay buried, some quite close to the surface. When he took the step from writing superb history to diagnosing American character, the choice of place determined the conclusion. But constructing a narrative of the country’s past is the business of everyone, not just the professionals, and getting the facts right isn’t enough. As the philosopher Richard Rorty wrote in his 1998 book, Achieving Our Country, “Stories about what a nation has been and should try to be are not attempts at accurate representation, but rather attempts to forge a moral identity.” The stories we tell ourselves about the past allow us to see the country we want.

Did america become america in 1619, or 1776, or some other year? There is no objective answer. The answer is a choice, an expression of values, and the choice implies a story. Politics is a competition between stories—and it’s as politics that the new fatalism leads to a dead end. On a landscape strewn with the deflated remnants of old myths, with the country’s essence distilled to its meanest self, what moral identity is it possible to build? Punctured myths make us better students of history, but they leave nothing to live up to. Shame is a shaky foundation for any project of renewal. You can’t tell someone that he’s made a mess of his life because of his own bad character and then expect him to change. “National pride is to countries what self-respect is to individuals,” Rorty wrote: “a necessary condition for self-improvement.”


Cowie argues for a new narrative to combat that of Barbour County: “a vigorous, federally enforced model of American citizenship that is not afraid to fight the many incarnations of the freedom to dominate.” In other words, he wants the United States to start doing what, in his telling, it has largely failed to do for 200 years. But white resistance to federal power runs so deep in Freedom’s Dominion that no other model is plausible. If Barbour County is the dark heart of America, the course of the story is foretold. Progressive scholarship makes progressive politics seem hopeless.


Our political moment, composed of catastrophism and stagnation, offers no obvious way out. This impasse produces the magical thinking of fatalism: History is a living nightmare—wake up to justice! A popular idea calls for change by plebiscite and demography: Rewrite the Constitution, get rid of its anti-majoritarian features, create true democracy, and a new majority will carry out the progressive policies the country wants. In Two Cheers for Politics, the legal scholar Jedediah Purdy makes an eloquent case for more democracy as the path to national renewal. He suggests extending the franchise to noncitizens and holding a new constitutional convention every 27 years. Purdy acknowledges that democracy means giving power to people and ideas you might not like. Still, I sense he believes—despite election after election showing this country to be almost evenly split—that the correct majority will rule.


There’s no shortcut out of our impasse. The only way forward is on the long road of organization and persuasion. This is the theme of Timothy Shenk’s recent book Realigners. “There’s no one thread tying the history of American democracy together, no abiding center, no single answer,” Shenk writes. “But there is a recurring question: How can you build an electoral majority?” Shenk—whose progressive credentials include co-editing Dissent magazine—rejects “skeleton-key histories” such as the new fatalism that draws “a straight line from slavery in the seventeenth century to systemic racism in the twenty-first.” Realigners is about Americans—political leaders and thinkers, given that democratic politics is a contest among elites for popular legitimacy—who changed the country by helping to create majorities that lasted long enough to break with the past. They’re not the usual suspects. Shenk’s protagonists include the Democratic Party kingpin Martin Van Buren; the radical Republican Senator Charles Sumner; Mark Hanna, William McKinley’s campaign mastermind; W. E. B. Du Bois, Walter Lippmann, Bayard Rustin, Phyllis Schlafly.

Shenk’s portraits and stories are not the stuff of utopian dreams. Electoral majorities are extremely hard to build in our system. They depend on the convergence of public sentiments, historical events, political talent, institution building, and luck. They have to sustain contradictions and bring opponents together in unlikely coalitions. They never last more than a couple of decades. The only constant is change. The new fatalism gives us an open-and-shut vision of the past, but for inspiration in shaping the future, we have to look elsewhere.
The author fails to make their point that whoever it was that wrote about Barbour County did so in bad faith; that Barbour county, while representative of white anti-federalists and their racist agenda, can’t tell us anything about America in the broader sense. Yet the author talks about confederate flags all over rural PA (the state I’ve always heard described as Philly in the East, Pittsburg in the west, and Alabama in between) in the same towns whose squares boast monuments to fallen Union soldiers. The author talks about confederate flags being spotted by the 1/6 insurrectionists, by the Unite the Right rally attendees, by rank and file truck nutz types. Barbour county is the blueprint for white racist fascists nationwide. It’s the game plan they wish to emulate. Look at law enforcement types moonlighting in the Proud Boys and other racist fascist organizations full of thugs. Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy” was as big of a hit with northerners equating federalism with black victory and white defeat as well.

So is it valuable to teach that Uncle Sam stuck a boot up Adolph Hitler’s ass and everyone lived happily ever after? Absolutely. That kind of thing builds good natured patriotism. It’s also valuable (not “fatalistic”) to talk about why we even had Nazis to fight in the first place - what mixture of bigotry, lack of education, victim complex, lies, and lack of opportunity is the perfect Petri dish for fascist white supremacy to grow and spread - and to search for similar symptoms here at home. We’ve got them. That’s being real, and education is supposed to be real. Propaganda laden “education” is nothing more than a jerk off and a waste of time. It’s a bummer, but it doesn’t do anyone in a building being consumed by flames any good to tell them that everything is fine. Progressive scholarship don’t make progressive politics seem hopeless; regressive policies do that just fine.
 
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Is there any event/slogan in American history more woke than "Remember the Alamo!" Texans and most Americans "Remember the Alamo" but for historically incorrect reasons. Only John Wayne and Walt Disney (and Texans) could weave this web of falsehoods and "live" for it.
 
if there’s any “fatalism” we can write about here, it’s this line from the author: punctured myths make us better students of history, but they leave nothing to live up to.

Bullshit! An accurate accounting of what we’re up against only makes victory sweeter.
 
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if there’s any “fatalism” we can write about here, it’s this line from the author: punctured myths make us better students of history, but they leave nothing to live up to.

Bullshit! An accurate accounting of what we’re up against only makes victory sweeter.
Packer would tell you that punctured myths aren't a problem in and of themselves, but rather, that if you consume or focus on too much of that -- all the bad -- without building up all the good as well, you've got a problem. (which feeds into the larger point of our fatalistic focus -- it's calling out an imbalance)
 
Packer would tell you that punctured myths aren't a problem in and of themselves, but rather, that if you consume or focus on too much of that -- all the bad -- without building up all the good as well, you've got a problem.
I didn’t realize this was George Packer, whose book “The Unwinding” I absolutely love. This is a weird turn he makes here pushing for what I can’t see as anything but an injection of propaganda into our historical narrative. “The Unwinding” certainly didn’t call for that, while it did focus on coalition building. Maybe in an unwound world (Unwinding was 3 years before Trump) he sees that as the antidote. I don’t.

Packer wrote in ‘13:

Both Obama and Romney ended up in the wrong place: the former thought American exceptionalism was no longer true and should be given up, while the latter thought it was still true. Neither was willing to tell Americans that they were no longer exceptional but should try to be again.

His tone seems to have changed.

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if there’s any “fatalism” we can write about here, it’s this line from the author: punctured myths make us better students of history, but they leave nothing to live up to.

Bullshit! An accurate accounting of what we’re up against only makes victory sweeter.
An "accurate accounting" is the first step in making things right. It may not be what "we" want to see/hear but it is necessary to understand where we have to go........ and doing things right IS sweet.
 
In a country world-famous for constant transformation, historical fatalism believes that nothing ever really changes. Mass incarceration is “the new Jim Crow”

This is disingenuous. Michelle Alexander’s work is largely prescriptive. She’s not fatalist at all. She pushed for sentencing reform and restoring voting rights.
 
An "accurate accounting" is the first step in making things right. It may not be what "we" want to see/hear but it is necessary to understand where we have to go........ and doing things right IS sweet.
You hear people who become debt free talk about sitting down and looking at where their money goes: cigs, fast food, subscriptions they don’t know about, etc. They talk about the shame they feel when it’s presented honestly to them. And then they set about to making better decisions, and…
 
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The Atlantic is pretty clickbait at this point.

There is too much naval staring.

Watch more 70's detective shows and relax. We can't do anything about it anyway.
 
It's the spin YOU put on this article.

"Woke" is anything that doesn't fit a cleansed/whitewashed narrative. Cannot question that version.
No. Woke is pretending that normal everyday shit that you suddenly feel uncomfortable with is now "the whitewashing" of reality. You know...like idiots who suddenly, after 25 years of knowing, can't tell you the definition of "woman" anymore. The fact you scream about "the science" when it's convenient for you but then call biology a "whitewashed narrative", isn't the exact definition of woke, but it's pretty close.

You act as if it's not the "woke" but the others who are changing the meaning of everything to suit their insane narratives. Someone comes along with the dumb 1619 project and it's not them creating a narrative, but those who say the country was founded in 1776 that are "whitewashing history." And on top of that attempt to paint anyone who understands this fact as "buying into white supremacy". But yeah...it's everyone else trying to switch shit up. LOL
 
Can anyone here define “woke” in a way that makes sense?

Yep.

GOP lawyers in Desantis' anti-Woke law summed it up quite succinctly and accurately.

Paraphrasing: "Woke is the acknowledgement/recognition that systemic injustices/inequalities/disadvantages exist in society, and that there is a need to address them"

So, essentially "anti-Woke" would mean either:

  • You do not believe ANY systemic injustices/inequalities exist in society (be they racial, monetary, gender, etc - that's all up for debate as to WHAT they are)
  • You believe those injustices do exist, but we should not do anything about them; they are what they are

And, if you're paying attention, the vast majority of the people being "anti-Woke" are the ones who have never experienced most of these injustices/disadvantages
 
Clearly @LafesterMacintosh is the inarticulate, giggling jackass aspect of NC’s psyche.

America is exceptional. To think otherwise is idiotic and completely ignores the reality if humankind throughout and across history. These people aren't speaking about history tney are creating myth in an attempt to damage America. Eff them
I agree that there are things about America that are exceptional, but as a whole? Our outdated infrastructure? Healthcare system that can plunge people into poverty? The leading cause of death for children here (guns) being entirely preventable but we don’t do anything about it? Our prison industrial complex? Our declining life expectancy? These things make us pretty average. Of course one side tries to remedy these blights to truly make America exceptional, but the other fights us at every turn.

And admit it @hawkedoff - you think people eating shit and dying in the gutter just because they got sick is a fair price to pay for insurance companies making their shareholders money. Profits over people. You think dead preschoolers is dandy as long as you can buy an AR-15 at a moment’s notice. You think jails packed disproportionately with black people is totally cool if it saves you from having to reconsider unjust policing and a legal system that favors the rich. You think people living shorter lives is fine if corporations can pollute the air we breathe and water we drink. They’re job creators, after all! A country that produces millions of people that think like you is exceptional, but not in the way you mean.
 
Clearly @LafesterMacintosh is the inarticulate, giggling jackass aspect of NC’s psyche.


I agree that there are things about America that are exceptional, but as a whole? Our outdated infrastructure? Healthcare system that can plunge people into poverty? The leading cause of death for children here (guns) being entirely preventable but we don’t do anything about it? Our prison industrial complex? Our declining life expectancy? These things make us pretty average. Of course one side tries to remedy these blights to truly make America exceptional, but the other fights us at every turn.

And admit it @hawkedoff - you think people eating shit and dying in the gutter just because they got sick is a fair price to pay for insurance companies making their shareholders money. Profits over people. You think dead preschoolers is dandy as long as you can buy an AR-15 at a moment’s notice. You think jails packed disproportionately with black people is totally cool if it saves you from having to reconsider unjust policing and a legal system that favors the rich. You think people living shorter lives is fine if corporations can pollute the air we breathe and water we drink. They’re job creators, after all! A country that produces millions of people that think like you is exceptional, but not in the way you mean.
You are a brainwashed fool
 
Sigh...In my best Jeff Foxworthy voice:

If someone asks you what a woman is and your first three words are "Well, uhhh, um", you might be woke.

If someone asks you when the country was founded and you ask back "Technically? Or what our oppressors taught us in school", you might be woke.

If you use the word "patriarchy" more than once a decade, you might be woke.

If you ever tweeted the words "Make him famous" you might be woke.

If you equate words to violence, you're definitely woke.

If you treat every slight offense as the worst thing to ever happen, you might be woke.

If you think a social worker instead of a cop should be sent to the projects to deal with a domestic dispute, you're probably a woke idiot.

If you keep calling people "courageous" for being a little different, you're probably woke.

If you constantly yell at people for "where they get their news from", you're probably woke or a far right lunatic.

If you're
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...you're a goddamned woke fool.

Hope this helps.
 
I was expecting a “we’re exceptional! Just shut up!” out of you.

So I was pretty close.
Maybe you should step off the we are so evil because insurance companies and profit screed. It is ridiculous

Maybe take a real hard look at the truth with insurance companies or the fact that our country subsidizes the rest of the world's so call universal health systems. Nothing is free and the US funds most of it.

So yes we are exceptional
 
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