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MSNBC Host Says She’s Quitting Democrats Over Schumer’s Capitulation​


MSNBC host Symone Sanders-Townsend has suggested that she will leave the Democratic Party and change her registration to independent, citing her outrage at Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) for helping ensure the passage of a six-month government funding bill drawn up by Republicans.

“There’s actually little that the senate minority leader can say and the ten Democrats that voted with the Republicans can say to appease somebody like me,” she said during Saturday’s taping of The Weekend. “I’m going to change my registration to independent.”

Nine Democrats including Schumer—plus one independent who caucuses with the party—voted Friday in favor of cloture, which limited debate on the bill, bringing it to a vote for final passage.

The funding bill passed in a 54-46 vote, with all but one Republican senator in support. Sen. Angus King (I-ME), the independent who caucuses with the Democrats, and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) also voted in favor of the bill.

According to a CNN report, Schumer caving to Republicans so enraged House Democrats that some encouraged Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez to mount a primary challenge against him. (Ocasio-Cortez called Schumer’s vote “a tremendous mistake” though did not address a primary challenge.)

In the case of Sanders-Townsend, it prompted the MSNBC host and longtime Democratic strategist and political commentator to state that she was done with the party.

During the segment Saturday, Sanders-Townsend produced copy of the funding bill and listed off page numbers she said contained cuts to government spending.

“There’s not another option for Senate or House Democrats to effectively push back,” she later added. “This was it. They blew it.”

Sanders-Townsend then seemed to predict that the Democratic Senate leader’s concession to Republicans will trigger a splintering within the party akin to the GOP’s own insurgent Tea Party movement in the late 2000s.

“The Democratic Tea Party was born the same day Chuck Schumer took to that podium to read that very well crafted statement that told us he folded like a paper napkin,” she said.

In addition to a chorus from the progressive wing of the party, Schumer’s vote was heavily criticized by Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), the former House Speaker and centrist hardliner who has worked for years to sideline progressives like Ocasio-Cortez.

In a statement, Pelosi blasted the “false choice” between a government shutdown and backing the Republican bill, adding that supporting the GOP “instead of fighting is unacceptable.”

 
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CNN Poll: Democratic Party’s favorability drops to a record low​


The Democratic Party’s favorability rating among Americans stands at a record low, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, fueled in part by dimming views from its own frustrated supporters.

With many in the party saying publicly that their leaders should do more to stand up to President Donald Trump, Democrats and Democratic-aligned independents say, 57% to 42%, that Democrats should mainly work to stop the Republican agenda, rather than working with the GOP majority to get some Democratic ideas into legislation.

The survey was taken March 6-9, days before 10 Democratic senators — including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer — voted with Republicans in the chamber to advance a GOP-authored spending bill to avert a government shutdown, much to the chagrin of many other Democratic lawmakers and progressive critics.

The majority’s desire to fight the GOP marks a significant change in the party’s posture from the start of Trump’s first term. A September 2017 poll found a broad 74% majority of Democrats and Democratic leaners saying their party should work with Republicans in an attempt to advance their own priorities, and just 23% advocating for a more combative approach.

Democratic-aligned adults say, 52% to 48%, that the leadership of the Democratic Party is currently taking the party in the wrong direction. That’s another shift from eight years ago, when views on this metric were largely positive.

Among the American public overall, the Democratic Party’s favorability rating stands at just 29% – a record low in CNN’s polling dating back to 1992 and a drop of 20 points since January 2021, when Trump exited his first term under the shadow of the January 6 attack at on Capitol. The Republican Party’s rating currently stands at 36%.

That’s driven in part by relatively high levels of dissatisfaction within the Democratic Party. Just 63% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents report a favorable view of their own party, a dip from 72% in January and 81% at the start of President Joe Biden’s administration. The decline comes across ideological wings, with favorability ratings for the Democratic Party falling by 18 points among liberals and moderates alike since the start of 2021.

By contrast, 79% of Republicans and Republican leaners currently take a positive view of the GOP. Political independents as a group take dim views of both parties, with 19% rating the Democrats favorably and 20% saying the same of the Republicans.

Both the Democratic and the Republican parties are viewed by about half the public as having views and policies that are too extreme, rather than generally mainstream. That’s a change from 2022, when most Americans – 56% – called the Democratic Party’s positions mainstream. Views of the GOP have remained effectively unchanged over that time.

Political independents remain likelier to see the Republicans as out of the mainstream – 57% call the GOP too extreme, while 48% say the same of the Democrats. But 16% of Democrats call their own party too extreme, while just 9% of Republicans say the same of the GOP.

The public continues to draw a distinction between Trump and his party. Americans are 9 points likelier to call the president too extreme than to say the same of the Republican Party as a whole, although that’s down from an 18-point gap in 2022.

Democrats, who overwhelmingly consider Trump too extreme, have yet to consolidate around any one-party leader to serve as a counterpoint. Asked in an open-ended question to name the Democratic leader they feel “best reflects the core values” of the party, 10% of Democratic-aligned adults name New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 9% former vice president Kamala Harris, 8% Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and 6% House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries. Another 4% each name former president Barack Obama and Texas Rep. Jasmine Crockett, with Schumer joining a handful of others at 2%.

More than 30% didn’t offer a name in response. “No one,” one respondent answered. “That’s the problem.”

Michigan Sen. Elissa Slotkin, who delivered the party’s response to Trump’s presidential address this month, remains largely unknown. A separate question finds that nearly three-quarters of Americans have never heard of her or have no opinion of her, with the remainder roughly split in their opinions. Slotkin is scarcely better known within her own party, although Democratic-aligned adults who do express a view of her are largely positive, 24% favorable to 6% unfavorable.

Ocasio Cortez’s stock in the party is especially high among those who describe themselves as liberal and those younger than 45, with roughly 1 in 6 within each of those groups calling her emblematic of the party’s values. No Democratic leader polled in the double digits among older adults or moderates on this metric.

Democratic-aligned adults’ views of their party and its leadership also divide sharply along demographic lines, the poll finds. Those who call themselves Democrats are far likelier than independents who lean toward the party to express favorable views of the Democrats (72% to 37%), and to say the party’s leaders are taking it in the right direction (53% to 34%).

And while the party leadership earns positive reviews from most Democratic-aligned women (57% of whom say they’re taking Democrats in the right direction), people of color (57%) and those without college degrees (60%), just 38% of men and 32% of White college graduates say the same.

By contrast, majorities across demographic lines say they want to see Democrats work to stop the Republican agenda, with little daylight between the views of those who describe themselves as Democrats, and those of independents who lean toward the party. The only remaining Democratic-aligned group to edge in favor of compromise are moderates: they say, 51% to 48%, that Democrats should mainly try to work with Republicans.

The CNN poll was conducted by SSRS from March 6-9 among a random national sample of 1,206 US adults drawn from a probability-based panel. Surveys were either conducted online or by telephone with a live interviewer. Results among all adults have a margin of sampling error of ±3.3 percentage points. Results among the 504 Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents have a margin of sampling error of ±5.0 percentage points.

 
her sense of self importance is amazing. nobody cares what she does, and it wouldn't matter anywho. and she is telling lies. these people in the media have democrat permanently imbedded in their DNA. I bet her ratings are horrible
 
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i don't really understand why i see trump supporters posts these types of comments

this person is leaving because the party leadership isn't fighting against trump enough. she's mad that the democrats are too accommodating to trump.

do you agree with her assessment? are you endorsing this? or this just "see something bad for democrat....post something bad for democrat" thing?
 
i don't really understand why i see trump supporters posts these types of comments

this person is leaving because the party leadership isn't fighting against trump enough. she's mad that the democrats are too accommodating to trump.

do you agree with her assessment? are you endorsing this? or this just "see something bad for democrat....post something bad for democrat" thing?

The more radical the D party continues to be, the better for R's.

Bernie 2028 :cool:
 
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The more radical the D party is, the better for R's.
but they're losing the "more radical" people...the people that want to fight trump on everything

the democrats are becoming (if we're setting this up as a binary more vs less radical) less radical
 
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i don't really understand why i see trump supporters posts these types of comments

this person is leaving because the party leadership isn't fighting against trump enough. she's mad that the democrats are too accommodating to trump.

do you agree with her assessment? are you endorsing this? or this just "see something bad for democrat....post something bad for democrat" thing?
no, it's that we believe she is telling lies. she will never leave the dem party. even if they leave her.
 
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but they're losing the "more radical" people...the people that want to fight trump on everything

the democrats are becoming (if we're setting this up as a binary more vs less radical) less radical
wrong. they are moving towards wayyyyyy more radical, AOC and jazz hands crockett. this is how the party is moving and why it is dying. nobody wants radical leftists running the country. I am repubber so I am glad they are screwing up.
 
The D base is shrinking.
if you say so...but the second article posted doesn't agree

democrats and republicans are within 7 percentage points of favorability...and that's largely driven by internal satisfaction (high for republicans, low for democrats)

also from the article you posted:
"Political independents remain likelier to see the Republicans as out of the mainstream – 57% call the GOP too extreme, while 48% say the same of the Democrats. But 16% of Democrats call their own party too extreme, while just 9% of Republicans say the same of the GOP."

democrats are leaderless and not happy about it...i don't think anyone would disagree
 
i don't really understand why i see trump supporters posts these types of comments

this person is leaving because the party leadership isn't fighting against trump enough. she's mad that the democrats are too accommodating to trump.

do you agree with her assessment? are you endorsing this? or this just "see something bad for democrat....post something bad for democrat" thing?
That is too complicated for them to understand.

The extent of their thought processes upon reading the headline is: "DEMS BAD LOL"
 
if you say so...but the second article posted doesn't agree

democrats and republicans are within 7 percentage points of favorability...and that's largely driven by internal satisfaction (high for republicans, low for democrats)

also from the article you posted:
"Political independents remain likelier to see the Republicans as out of the mainstream – 57% call the GOP too extreme, while 48% say the same of the Democrats. But 16% of Democrats call their own party too extreme, while just 9% of Republicans say the same of the GOP."

democrats are leaderless and not happy about it...i don't think anyone would disagree
I think there are very few independents, I think people pretty much go dem or repubber. like it or not. I wish we had a third or fourth option.
 
The democrat party needs to throw out the old faces and the younger but "been there too long" faces. Then they needs to take a pro-America strategy. Talk about loving America instead of hating it, wrap the flag around them and point to America's greatness and not its faults. When someone from the party does something embarrasing or takes a stupid stance, call them out. Protect WOMEN and trans people and not just transpeople at the expense of biological women (regardless of what you say that is Americans view of it).

Remember JFK, be more of a democrat like him, and less of a person who is in govt for the insider trading and Insta opportuinies. Be willing to flex American muscles, dump the academics (they are all viewed as snobby assholes by the general public at this point) and remember your blue collar roots. Be pro-trade union but in a realistic manner. Start talking about the AI tranistion and your plans for setting up every American for success in a world where LESS work will be required of them.

Stop allowing your city streets to be open drug use areas and toliets, it is bad for business. Move these unsightly homeless people outside of the cities and get them some help there. We the People do not want to see or smell them. We want to spend our dollars at well run businesses without being hassled and annoyed by people who can't even care for themselves.

It may sound harsh but DO YOU WANT TO WIN or do you want to keep losing? You can't move the country forward from the losers seat, so, lets get to work...who's coming with me!
 
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The democrat party needs to throw out the old faces and the younger but "been there too long" faces. Then they needs to take a pro-America strategy. Talk about loving America instead of hating it, wrap the flag around them and point to America's greatness and not its faults. When someone from the party does something embarrasing or takes a stupid stance, call them out. Protect WOMEN and trans people and not just transpeople at the expense of biological women (regardless of what you say that is Americans view of it).

Remember JFK, be more of a democrat like him, and less of a person who is in govt for the insider trading and Insta opportuinies. Be willing to flex American muscles, dump the academics (they are all viewed as snobby assholes by the general public at this point) and remember your blue collar roots. Be pro-trade union but in a realistic manner. Start talking about the AI tranistion and your plans for setting up every American for success in a world where LESS work will be required of them.

Stop allowing your city streets to be open drug use areas and toliets, it is bad for business. Move these unsightly homeless people outside of the cities and get them some help there. We the People do not want to see or smell them. We want to spend our dollars at well run businesses without being hassled and annoyed by people who can't even care for themselves.

It may sound harsh but DO YOU WANT TO WIN or do you want to keep losing? You can't move the country forward from the losers seat, so, lets get to work...who's coming with me!
This is good. I am a republican and will support this message.
 
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