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Birth control pioneer Margaret Sanger "believed that people like me should be eliminated."

Ben Carson on Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 in a campaign stop in Exeter, N.H

Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans "should be eliminated"?
By Clay Wirestone on Monday, October 5th, 2015 at 5:32 p.m.

Despite being dead for 49 years, Margaret Sanger, founder of the organization that became Planned Parenthood, has a way of turning up in the news. Her latest appearance came during remarks by Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson at a retirement center in Exeter, N.H.

Answering a question at RiverWoods Retirement Community, Carson said that "Planned Parenthood, as you know, was founded by Margaret Sanger. . . . Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. She believed that people like me should be eliminated, or kept under control."

At a press conference later, he specified what he meant by "people like me." He said he was "talking about the black race."

Claims like this have been examined by PolitiFact before. Back in March, New Hampshire Rep. William O’Brien claimed Sanger was an "an active participant in the Ku Klux Klan." That claim was rated false.

And in 2011, businessman and GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said Planned Parenthood’s early mission was to "help kill black babies before they came into the world." That statement was rated Pants on Fire.

Carson’s statement pulls on the same threads.

Sanger was indeed a believer in eugenics, but the basic concept that humanity could be improved by selective breeding was an article of faith for many in the years before World War II. Winston Churchill, Herbert Hoover, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw and H. G. Wells all supported the movement. African-American leader W. E. B. Du Bois backed many of its principles as well.

Although the eugenics movement included some who had racist ideas, wanting to create some sort of master race, "only a minority of eugenicists" ever believed this, according to Jean H. Baker, who wrote the biography Margaret Sanger: A Life of Passion and is the Bennett-Harwood professor of history at Goucher College in Maryland

At the time that Sanger was active, Baker wrote, "the purpose of eugenics was to improve the human race by having people be more healthy through exercise, recreation in parks, marriage to someone free from sexually transmitted diseases, well-baby clinics, immunizations, clean food and water, proper nutrition, non-smoking and drinking."

It’s a far cry to equate eugenics with advocating the elimination of black people.

For Sanger, her ideas were a matter a public health. As late as 1957, she put her views this way in an interview with Mike Wallace: "I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world -- that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin -- that people can -- can commit."

Sanger was indeed a birth control activist, which means that she wanted women to be able to avoid unwanted pregnancies. She worked for women of all classes and races to have that choice, which she believed to be a right.

Quoted in an article about the false accusation that Sanger supported the Ku Klux Klan (she merely addressed a women’s auxiliary and later compared them to children because of their mental simplicity), Baker said Sanger actually opposed prejudice.

Sanger "was far ahead of her times in terms of opposing racial segregation," Baker wrote in an email. She worked closely with black leaders to open birth control clinics in Harlem and elsewhere."

Even authors who treat Sanger critically don’t believe she held negative views about African-Americans. Edwin Black wrote a comprehensive history of the eugenics movement, War Against the Weak, and is no fan of the activist’s beliefs. Ultimately, though, he writes, "Sanger was no racist. Nor was she anti-Semitic."

It’s also worth noting that Sanger died in 1966, six years before the Supreme Court established a nationwide right to abortion services in Roe v. Wade.

Those who point a finger at Sanger as a racist often cite a particular statement in claiming she harbored ill will toward black people. In a Dec. 10, 1939, letter, she wrote that "We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs."

But PolitFact Georgia debunked those who would read the statement as something sinister.

"Sanger’s correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears," the article says.

She attracted an impressive roster of supporters, including DuBois; Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of National Council of Negro Women; and the pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist Church. Eleanor Roosevelt also backed the effort.

"For Sanger to launch a genocidal plot behind their backs and leave no true evidence in her numerous writings would require powers just shy of witchcraft," the PolitiFact piece notes.

Finally, in 1966 Planned Parenthood gave its Margaret Sanger award to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The civil rights leader accepted, and sent his wife, Coretta, to accept. The speech he wrote for the occasion stated that ""There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts."

Sanger was still alive at that point, and her history and statements were well known (she had published an autobiography in 1938 and was never shy about sharing her opinions). If she had, in fact, been a supporter of eliminating black people, it’s doubtful King would have accepted that award.

Our ruling

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson said that birth control activist Margaret Sanger "believed that people like me should be eliminated." He later clarified that he meant African-Americans. While Sanger indeed supported the eugenics movement, substantial evidence shows that she was not racist and in fact worked closely with black leaders and health care professionals.

Carson’s statement bears no relation to historical reality. We rate the claim False.
 
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She was an advocate for sterilization of the "insane and feeble minded".

So in that regard, she was out to rid the world of Liberals in general.
 
Sanger would be the first eugenicist not to have a race preference in their end game.
This, unfortunately for the Devil there is MUCH more evidence that she was in fact a racist, then there is for her not being one. It's just not just her remarks, it's whom she kept company with.

Devil once again, spreading lies.
 
They don't care if it is true or not. Just like they dont care about the truth regarding the sale of fetus parts. It is just an attack on abortion and PP.
And you're just arguing for killing babies, because most abortion seekers are irresponsible and self centered. No one is trying to complain about condoms or advocating against womens health. That is a hard line argument made by the liberals and it's as ridiculous as most of their ideas.
In the end, it's the complete disregard and disrespectful statistical nature of what planned parenthood really represents. Sorry, this article he posted is complete BS, and it's just trying to save face for the sociopathic woman who pioneered your campaigns to continue ripping life away.
 
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And you're just arguing for killing babies, because most abortion seekers are irresponsible and self centered. No one is trying to complain about condoms or advocating against womens health. That is a hard line argument made by the liberals and it's as ridiculous as most of their ideas.
In the end, it's the complete disregard and disrespectful statistical nature of what planned parenthood really represents. Sorry, this article he posted is complete BS, and it's just trying to save face for the sociopathic woman who pioneered your campaigns to continue ripping life away.

Please go into detail of what is BS in the article.
 
Please go into detail of what is BS in the article.
The entire premise of it. First off, anything Eugenics, as stated above by 23*43*, is almost automatically a push for racial agenda. Second, she very clearly had ties to KKK members and targeted her abortion clinics in black communities. Her statements alone make the entire article ridiculous and full of lies. There was someone else who used to talk like this. You may know him.

Also, you can spin this all you want, but if anyone else said this, besides your queen mother of racial intolerance and baby killing, you wouldn't be arguing whether that person was racist or not.

RACIST AND EUGENICIST STATEMENTS
BY MARGARET SANGER, THE FOUNDER OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD:


"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if

it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying
... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ...
[Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the
world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of
others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead
weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the
stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world,
it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying
for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing,
unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born
at all."
-- Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization , 1922. Chapter on "The
Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library
edition.

"Today eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most
adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and
social problems.
"I think you must agree ... that the campaign for birth control is not
merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims
of eugenics ... Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the
eugenic educator.

"As an advocate of birth control I wish ... to point out that the
unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly
the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the
inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this
matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-
minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be
held up for emulation.

"On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and
discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
-- Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda."
Birth Control Review , October 1921, page 5.

"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population
their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."

"Slavs, Latin, and Hebrew immigrants are human weeds ... a
deadweight of human waste ... Blacks, soldiers, and Jews are a menace to
the race."
"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent
Multiplication of this bad stock."
-- Margaret Sanger, Ap
 
So Politifact continues its efforts to supplant Media Matters as the primary dummy for the Democrat ventriloquists.
 
So Politifact continues its efforts to supplant Media Matters as the primary dummy for the Democrat ventriloquists.
They need to understand, that it is an opinion piece. This particular article that the appropriately named poster 'The Devil', posted, was nothing more than opinion. It completely steered clear of the very obvious, and hard evidence against Margaret "kill before they're born" Sanger.
 
Carson, once again is confused, according to the media fact-checkers it is Donald Trump that's a racist.
 
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"On the extermination of blacks: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon"

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
 
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Birth control pioneer Margaret Sanger "believed that people like me should be eliminated."

Ben Carson on Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 in a campaign stop in Exeter, N.H

Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans "should be eliminated"?
By Clay Wirestone on Monday, October 5th, 2015 at 5:32 p.m.

Despite being dead for 49 years, Margaret Sanger, founder of the organization that became Planned Parenthood, has a way of turning up in the news. Her latest appearance came during remarks by Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson at a retirement center in Exeter, N.H.

Answering a question at RiverWoods Retirement Community, Carson said that "Planned Parenthood, as you know, was founded by Margaret Sanger. . . . Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. She believed that people like me should be eliminated, or kept under control."

At a press conference later, he specified what he meant by "people like me." He said he was "talking about the black race."

Claims like this have been examined by PolitiFact before. Back in March, New Hampshire Rep. William O’Brien claimed Sanger was an "an active participant in the Ku Klux Klan." That claim was rated false.

And in 2011, businessman and GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said Planned Parenthood’s early mission was to "help kill black babies before they came into the world." That statement was rated Pants on Fire.

Carson’s statement pulls on the same threads.

Sanger was indeed a believer in eugenics, but the basic concept that humanity could be improved by selective breeding was an article of faith for many in the years before World War II. Winston Churchill, Herbert Hoover, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw and H. G. Wells all supported the movement. African-American leader W. E. B. Du Bois backed many of its principles as well.

Although the eugenics movement included some who had racist ideas, wanting to create some sort of master race, "only a minority of eugenicists" ever believed this, according to Jean H. Baker, who wrote the biography Margaret Sanger: A Life of Passion and is the Bennett-Harwood professor of history at Goucher College in Maryland

At the time that Sanger was active, Baker wrote, "the purpose of eugenics was to improve the human race by having people be more healthy through exercise, recreation in parks, marriage to someone free from sexually transmitted diseases, well-baby clinics, immunizations, clean food and water, proper nutrition, non-smoking and drinking."

It’s a far cry to equate eugenics with advocating the elimination of black people.

For Sanger, her ideas were a matter a public health. As late as 1957, she put her views this way in an interview with Mike Wallace: "I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world -- that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin -- that people can -- can commit."

Sanger was indeed a birth control activist, which means that she wanted women to be able to avoid unwanted pregnancies. She worked for women of all classes and races to have that choice, which she believed to be a right.

Quoted in an article about the false accusation that Sanger supported the Ku Klux Klan (she merely addressed a women’s auxiliary and later compared them to children because of their mental simplicity), Baker said Sanger actually opposed prejudice.

Sanger "was far ahead of her times in terms of opposing racial segregation," Baker wrote in an email. She worked closely with black leaders to open birth control clinics in Harlem and elsewhere."

Even authors who treat Sanger critically don’t believe she held negative views about African-Americans. Edwin Black wrote a comprehensive history of the eugenics movement, War Against the Weak, and is no fan of the activist’s beliefs. Ultimately, though, he writes, "Sanger was no racist. Nor was she anti-Semitic."

It’s also worth noting that Sanger died in 1966, six years before the Supreme Court established a nationwide right to abortion services in Roe v. Wade.

Those who point a finger at Sanger as a racist often cite a particular statement in claiming she harbored ill will toward black people. In a Dec. 10, 1939, letter, she wrote that "We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs."

But PolitFact Georgia debunked those who would read the statement as something sinister.

"Sanger’s correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears," the article says.

She attracted an impressive roster of supporters, including DuBois; Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of National Council of Negro Women; and the pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist Church. Eleanor Roosevelt also backed the effort.

"For Sanger to launch a genocidal plot behind their backs and leave no true evidence in her numerous writings would require powers just shy of witchcraft," the PolitiFact piece notes.

Finally, in 1966 Planned Parenthood gave its Margaret Sanger award to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The civil rights leader accepted, and sent his wife, Coretta, to accept. The speech he wrote for the occasion stated that ""There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts."

Sanger was still alive at that point, and her history and statements were well known (she had published an autobiography in 1938 and was never shy about sharing her opinions). If she had, in fact, been a supporter of eliminating black people, it’s doubtful King would have accepted that award.

Our ruling

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson said that birth control activist Margaret Sanger "believed that people like me should be eliminated." He later clarified that he meant African-Americans. While Sanger indeed supported the eugenics movement, substantial evidence shows that she was not racist and in fact worked closely with black leaders and health care professionals.

Carson’s statement bears no relation to historical reality. We rate the claim False.
Wow, she still sounds like the scum of the earth.
 
I like that Carson felt the need to clarify he meant because he is african american. He must have been worried people would think "people like me" could have meant the insane and feeble minded.


So a brilliant pediatric neurosurgeon is feeble minded because he has suspicions about a woman's views due to her own words and the company she kept?

Huh
 
"On the extermination of blacks: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon"

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

The Sanger revisionists have this covered:

“…Sanger had written, ‘We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.’ Sanger meant that she didn’t want rumors to spread of nefarious intentions behind family planning.” http://www.trustblackwomen.org/2011...s/26-margaret-sanger-and-the-african-american
I don't know about you but I'm a little suspicious of a person that feels the need to reassure the public that they don't want to "exterminate" an entire race. But, other than that, Margaret Sanger seems like she was a complete POS.
 
The Sanger revisionists have this covered:

“…Sanger had written, ‘We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.’ Sanger meant that she didn’t want rumors to spread of nefarious intentions behind family planning.” http://www.trustblackwomen.org/2011...s/26-margaret-sanger-and-the-african-american
I don't know about you but I'm a little suspicious of a person that feels the need to reassure the public that they don't want to "exterminate" an entire race. But, other than that, Margaret Sanger seems like she was a complete POS.
I love their explanation of that. Yet, if a white male had said that, it would have been in no doubt whatsoever that he was being very racist. More like she didn't want to spread the TRUTH of her nefarious intentions behind family planning.
 
Actually, you thought he needed to clarify he was talking about being black not feeble minded.

Derp indeed
I don't think he needed to clarify. To me, it was obvious he meant because he was black. Carson is the one he apparently thought he needed to clarify.
 
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The entire premise of it. First off, anything Eugenics, as stated above by 23*43*, is almost automatically a push for racial agenda. Second, she very clearly had ties to KKK members and targeted her abortion clinics in black communities. Her statements alone make the entire article ridiculous and full of lies. There was someone else who used to talk like this. You may know him.

Also, you can spin this all you want, but if anyone else said this, besides your queen mother of racial intolerance and baby killing, you wouldn't be arguing whether that person was racist or not.

RACIST AND EUGENICIST STATEMENTS
BY MARGARET SANGER, THE FOUNDER OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD:


"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if

it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying
... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ...
[Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the
world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of
others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead
weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the
stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world,
it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying
for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing,
unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born
at all."
-- Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization , 1922. Chapter on "The
Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library
edition.

"Today eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most
adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and
social problems.
"I think you must agree ... that the campaign for birth control is not
merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims
of eugenics ... Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the
eugenic educator.

"As an advocate of birth control I wish ... to point out that the
unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly
the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the
inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this
matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-
minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be
held up for emulation.

"On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and
discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
-- Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda."
Birth Control Review , October 1921, page 5.

"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population
their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."

"Slavs, Latin, and Hebrew immigrants are human weeds ... a
deadweight of human waste ... Blacks, soldiers, and Jews are a menace to
the race."
"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent
Multiplication of this bad stock."
-- Margaret Sanger, Ap

So basically, everything the article refuted, you just reposted.
 
So basically, everything the article refuted, you just reposted.
It didn't refute it at all, it reinterpreted what it wanted readers to believe that she meant. You open up abortion clinics and you target the black communities, and then you make statements such as cleaning out 'race waste', and inferior subject, and what do you think that means BABISCUIT?

Are you that wrapped up in this Liberal agenda, that you completely refuse to ignore the blatantly obvious?
 
Let's just imagine what the media "interpretation" would be if Ronald Reagan had said the same things.
 
I don't think he needed to clarify. To me, it was obvious he meant because he was black. Carson is the one he apparently thought he needed to clarify.


Look, we all know what Sanger's talk, actions, and company point to. I had to read up on her, to see who she was. It's pretty evident she didn't hold minorities in high regard.

Carson knows this, you know this, I know this, and everyone else on here knows it. PP was born from this woman's ill intentions and notions. Does PP do other things besides abortion, yes. However to gloss over its primary founders reasoning seems a little shady.
 
It didn't refute it at all, it reinterpreted what it wanted readers to believe that she meant. You open up abortion clinics and you target the black communities, and then you make statements such as cleaning out 'race waste', and inferior subject, and what do you think that means BABISCUIT?

Are you that wrapped up in this Liberal agenda, that you completely refuse to ignore the blatantly obvious?

Well, her clinics didnt target black communties so you have that problem with your argument.

And her thoughts shouldn't have anything to do with today's arguments on abortion. Tell me why they would even be relevant, even if she was as evil as you think?
 
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I struggle to understand how horny heteros can think of the women who made sure they could play risk free as anything but a hero. I don't think you guys are thinking with the right head here.
 
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Well, her clinics didnt target black communties so you have that problem with your argument.

And her thoughts shouldn't have anything to do with today's arguments on abortion. Tell me why they would even be relevant, even if she was as evil as you think?
They most definitely did, and her THOUGHTS, is exactly what the article was arguing against. So yes, it does have a hand in todays abortion, because it is what led the way.
 
Really? So if not, when did they start? Because they sure as hell target Black communities now.
The first ones also opened in Brooklyn and Harlem. Not hard to see, whom she thought was the biggest problem in regards to her eugenics efforts.
 
Is he saying it in 1922 or 1982?
What difference would it make? Republicans are still pilloried for resisting Social Security in 1932. Herbert Hoover is still blamed for 1928.

Tell me, please, when the statute of limitations ends on racism and other unfortunate attitudes that are not seen favorably by today's society. It would be a good guideline for future discussions.
 
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I struggle to understand how horny heteros can't think of the women who made sure they could play risk free as anything but a hero. I don't think you guys are thinking with the right head here.
It's called bukkake or anal, or on the stomach, or in the mouth. All of that is more fun than condoms.
 
I'm pro choice.......however, it makes me laugh watching certain posters doing everything they can to deny Sanger's intentions, and trying to say "what she really meant", when looking directly at her own words.

The woman was evil. Her intentions were ultimately race based, and she made no quarrel on what she "really" wanted. She wanted to do away with poor people, and people of color. She NEVER recanted any of her positions. To suggest that because she said what she said and wrote 90 years ago makes it somehow more acceptable is not a very good line of argument.

16 million black fetuses have been aborted since 1973. And Black women abort more fetuses daily, than any other race/ethnic group in the US. 40% of all PP clinics are located in lower income and black neighborhoods despite the fact that the black population makes up 17% of our populace.

Having said this, i think the push to defund PP completely is stupid at this point. But there are many entities that offer the same services, and more services in the US...and offer them for low cost or for free...Yet do not get the funding and assistance that PP does from the Federal Gov't.. I'm not sure I understand why PP is the golden goose for lawmakers.
 
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