Am I the only one who can't stand to watch this conference play? This is not football. There is absolutely no defense that gets played in the entire conference. Poor tackling, poor coverage, and apparently not a single defensive coordinator who has a clue. From Baylor all the way down to Kansas, there is no defense being played. These basketball scores in football games, to me, are not fun to watch. I much prefer to watch the Big Ten, where real football is played. The best Big 12 teams would get handled against real teams. Just my opinion, or does anyone else agree?
The Hapless Big 12 Conference
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Ok. St. Won 70-53 today. That's not good offense. It's baaaaaaaad defense.
ISU played some good D to shut out UT who beat k state previous to that
Tell that to Texas. First time the Longhorns have been shut out by an unranked team since 1961. EDIT: I originally posted it was the first time they had been shut out by anybody in 14 years. As was quickly pointed out to me, that was a lie.
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I don't think Texas cared much for the cold. What was the temp at the game? Poor boys had chilly little fingers and couldn't even wear their mittens.
Did there used to be some 'rule' in the B12 about Texas never having to play up North in November?
Did there used to be some 'rule' in the B12 about Texas never having to play up North in November?
that was awesome, can't wait to hear sports radio here in Austin next week, ought to be fun
only two years really, or maybe three, they get good recruits, they have a nice stadium that seats 100K, they got a huge fan base and a huge campus, a lot of money, but they hired a coach so the could put him on a stage with a screen behind him and show films of Obama and mlk, behind him as a backdrop-they literally did this
Temp was in the 50s. Beautiful night. Wind was fairly mild, although it picked up a bit in the fourth quarter. I was wearing a windshirt and wasn't cold.
There always was a suspicion that Texas didn't have to play in the North, but I don't think there was much reality behind it. What was happening was that in the division setup, the schedulers wanted teams to be playing mostly, if not entirely, within their own division in the latter stages of the season. That meant the North teams played in the North and the South teams played in the South.
That was one of the first things I asked Demo Odems when he was at LBJ high here in Austin, he was at a track practice, I went up to him and asked him about the cold in Iowa, his response was something like, "I don't care, I just want to play!" I think Ray Jackson was there from the fab five of Michigan, Ray's dad was there. His dad I think was a track coach. I think Sed was there too.
Wasn't referring to one single game, but to the conference as a whole. Week in and week out, a horrible conference for defense and there's no disputing that.
I think a couple years ago somebody decided the big12 was gonna be a fun and gun conference, model teams after Oregon. Baylor is Oregon of a few years ago. It did not work for Texas Tech
Nebraska would have the Big12 wrapped up by now. That says all you need to know about how bad that conference is.
I do not understand how 70-53 happens. I really don't. How can a conference that prides itself on the speed and athleticism they claim is present throughout the conference state with a straight face that 70-53 is "better"? I would think that with all that speed and great athletes, that there is some sort of defensive concept that would prevail on staffs where teams actually...I dunno...TRY to figure out a way to stop the other team.
To me, that's bad defensive coaching.
Nik Schimonek...
"It's because of the offense,'' Shimonek said Monday afternoon. "When I was at Mildred we ran a spread offense and I played that for four years. It's what I'm used to playing.
"I don't back down from challenges,'' he said. "Logically, you have five years in college, and I didn't feel like spending three of those years learning a new system and getting my feet wet.''
Shimonek said when he accepted the scholarship to Iowa he felt he could learn the pro-style offense and be a successful quarterback for the Hawkeyes.
"I figured it wouldn't be too difficult of a transition,'' he said. "But you do something for years and you develop habits - your footwork, where your eyes look - and those habits are hard to break. I studied film all the time and worked hard to learn it. It's a very hard offense. My offensive coordinator told me it was one of the hardest offenses to learn. I am just a lot more comfortable in the spread.''
To me, the B12 simply hasn't found defensive coordinators smart enough and dedicated enough to slow these offenses down. What else could it possibly be? If players don't want to take the time to learn intricate offenses chances are defensive players are the same way with defensive schemes.
Defenses will eventually catch up, they ALWAYS do. Just like they did for the single wing, the pro set, the wishbone, the veer, the west coast, and the run and shoot. Sooner or later it comes down to blocking and tackling and fundamentals..."traditional football play" - because schematically, a solution is eventually found.
Just need to find coaches smart enough and dedicated enough to figure it out, and then recruit and develop players who want to learn how to do it.
To me, that's bad defensive coaching.
Nik Schimonek...
"It's because of the offense,'' Shimonek said Monday afternoon. "When I was at Mildred we ran a spread offense and I played that for four years. It's what I'm used to playing.
"I don't back down from challenges,'' he said. "Logically, you have five years in college, and I didn't feel like spending three of those years learning a new system and getting my feet wet.''
Shimonek said when he accepted the scholarship to Iowa he felt he could learn the pro-style offense and be a successful quarterback for the Hawkeyes.
"I figured it wouldn't be too difficult of a transition,'' he said. "But you do something for years and you develop habits - your footwork, where your eyes look - and those habits are hard to break. I studied film all the time and worked hard to learn it. It's a very hard offense. My offensive coordinator told me it was one of the hardest offenses to learn. I am just a lot more comfortable in the spread.''
To me, the B12 simply hasn't found defensive coordinators smart enough and dedicated enough to slow these offenses down. What else could it possibly be? If players don't want to take the time to learn intricate offenses chances are defensive players are the same way with defensive schemes.
Defenses will eventually catch up, they ALWAYS do. Just like they did for the single wing, the pro set, the wishbone, the veer, the west coast, and the run and shoot. Sooner or later it comes down to blocking and tackling and fundamentals..."traditional football play" - because schematically, a solution is eventually found.
Just need to find coaches smart enough and dedicated enough to figure it out, and then recruit and develop players who want to learn how to do it.
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Kansas State shutout Texas last year.
Also shut out by Oklahoma in 2004
Texas losing to a team like ISU is likely to get their coach fired.
By the standards of some on HR, yes, I lied. What I said apparently was wrong. Heard it on a post-game wrapup. I would apologize for making a mistake, but since this was a lie and not a mistake, no apology.Lone Clone got caught fibbing. shocker.
Yeah. Most Cyclone fans I know made a mistake. They don't apologize either. Too bad for them.
By the standards of society you were wrong, no apology expected from you, the surprise would be if you actually did apologize.
I usually apologize when I'm wrong. I always admit it.
Clearly, what I should have done was either check the record, or perhaps more likely, have said I heard a post-game comment to that effect instead of presenting it as factual.
Shimonek is saying the Iowa pro-style system was a lot harder to learn than the spread? Hmmm interesting. I always figured being under center would be their big problem.
It's not the drops. It's the reads and and the timing that the issue. Spreads are often designed to go to receiver X quick instead of reading a defense and making a throw to X space at the right moment. Also many spreads are in the shotgun which allow QBs with bad feet work get away because they don't have to worry about the rush as much.
That is why so few spread guys succeed at the NFL. Where if you just key on a receiver even the most average of NFL DBs will pick you off once or twice.
and yet, knowing what you posted was incorrect, you have still yet to edit it.
watch all your clone brethren lurkers around here see your post and tell anyone who will listen the glorious news of the vaunted ISU D. Whoa nelly!
Good win for ISU. That Iowa QB looks mych better than Richardson.
Now back to the topic at hand; I agree the Big XII is, for the most part, un-watchable. I grew up a Big 10 fan so I much prefer hard hitting defense than basketball on turf a la the Wac of the 80's.
Now back to the topic at hand; I agree the Big XII is, for the most part, un-watchable. I grew up a Big 10 fan so I much prefer hard hitting defense than basketball on turf a la the Wac of the 80's.
So Lone Clone I believe is still correct, they key point is the Un-Ranked team part. Last year Kansas State was 11 when they shut them out and then OU was ranked 2 when they played. So it's not the first time since '61 they got shut out, it's that this is the first time the opponent was Un-Ranked since '61 and shut them out.
That's an interesting point. I never have done that. Never occurred to me. Do other people expect that? I always thought editing out errors after you were called on them was kind of a weasel way to duck responsibility for screwing the pooch.
Yeah, but I said it was the first shutout in 14 years, too, and that was clearly wrong.
I guess ISU beating Texas means Rhoads gets a raise and another 5 yr. contract extension. Shutting out Texas is about as exciting as beating UNI and Kansas. Wait ISU did that. Who's more excited KC Royal fans or ISU fans?
You mean the same Nebraska that let up 55 to Purdue? I don't think so.
