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The left's attacks on American policing is taking its toll

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Standards being lowered, not higher.

"The nation's and city's current social justice reckoning, officials said, is turning potential new candidates away from applying."

"According to the outlet, over the four months that Chicago offered its police entrance exam last year, around 3,800 people took it, compared to the 22,000 people who've sat for the exam in years prior."

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Hawkeye Swarm said:
"The nation's and city's current social justice reckoning, officials said, is turning potential new candidates away from applying."

"According to the outlet, over the four months that Chicago offered its police entrance exam last year, around 3,800 people took it, compared to the 22,000 people who've sat for the exam in years prior."

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There’s a lot more to it than that. But, yes, the liberal messaging has been terrible on this issue at a time when police need more not less support.
 
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BlackNGoldBleeder said:
There’s a lot more to it than that. But, yes, the liberal messaging has been terrible on this issue at a time when police need more not less support.
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Police need more support in that they need to be paid better, but in the mean time they need to be held to a higher standard to justify being paid better. I would support measures to increase pay for police on the condition that they be required to carry some sort of malpractice insurance and we get rid of qualified immunity.
It’s too easy for a stupid person on an ego trip to become a cop. Those people need to be weeded out early.
 
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My son is a cop in a very liberal city in America. To his surprise the uber liberal mayor is VERY supportive, especially after one of their own died in the line of duty a couple weeks ago. The POS governor not so much. She basically used the funeral as a way to give a campaign stump and everyone knew it. In short it really depends on who's in charge.
 
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BubsFinn said:
Police need more support in that they need to be paid better, but in the mean time they need to be held to a higher standard to justify being paid better. I would support measures to increase pay for police on the condition that they be required to carry some sort of malpractice insurance and we get rid of qualified immunity.
It’s too easy for a stupid person on an ego trip to become a cop. Those people need to be weeded out early.
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I am largely in agreement with that in terms of accountability. But if you want to rip into police unions, then you also need to do the same with the NEA, because there are plenty of bad teachers being protected as well.

What I meant was regardless of culture and politics, policing is a tough business. And given all we know about trauma and the impact it has on the brain, there’s a lot of police officers dealing with a myriad of mental health issues, especially related to PTSD, that go untreated and undiagnosed. The messaging from the left exacerbates all of that.

FTR, I also believe there’s a lot of trauma in poorer, more urban communities that go untreated and undiagnosed as well. @Rudolph does a phenomenal job of discussing those issues. The bottom line is we need more empathy and less tribalism in America.
 
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My son is a cop in a very liberal city in America. To his surprise the uber liberal mayor is VERY supportive, especially after one of their own died in the line of duty a couple weeks ago. The POS governor not so much. She basically used the funeral as a way to give a campaign stump and everyone knew it. In short it really depends on who's in charge.
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Thank you for sharing that. Regardless of partisanship, it really does depend on the person.
 
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My son is a cop in a very liberal city in America. To his surprise the uber liberal mayor is VERY supportive, especially after one of their own died in the line of duty a couple weeks ago. The POS governor not so much. She basically used the funeral as a way to give a campaign stump and everyone knew it. In short it really depends on who's in charge.
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Most communities are supportive of their police, when their police forces are engaged in the community, and have adequate management/oversight.

Cities where forces are poorly trained, or lack oversight and leadership are where that engagement breaks down, and police misconduct runs rampant. And the Blue Code Of Silence prevents any on the force from speaking out about it.

I've said it many times on here: Pay them more. A lot more.

But take misconduct payments directly out of their year-end bonuses. Each body-cam turned off is $50k that comes out of the bonus pool. Each incident of misconduct that needs to be settled costs them more. Municipal insurance payments for misconduct come out of their bonus pool - those payments get lower when the underwriter sees less risk, better oversight, fewer misconduct claims/payouts.

When they see the idiots on their force costing them actual money, they will be far more inclined to get those members off the force.
 
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I don't think anyone has mentioned this incident in California that happened shortly before George Floyd, but the video was just released this week.



A federal judge has unsealed a video taken by the California Highway Patrol that captures the death of Edward Bronstein, a 38-year-old man who was in their custody following a March 2020 traffic stop in Los Angeles County.
Bronstein is heard repeatedly telling officers, "I can't breathe," while pinned on the ground.

Those three words would tug at the world's conscience less than two months later when repeated by George Floyd before his death while being restrained by Minneapolis police.

Floyd's killing in May 2020 sparked national and global protests against police brutality and racial injustices, spurring a national reckoning over the way law enforcement treats Black Americans. The officer who killed Floyd, Derek Chauvin, was convicted of murder in April 2021.

The CHP video was released for use in a federal wrongful death lawsuit brought by Bronstein's family against the state of California, CHP and individual officers who were on scene when Bronstein died. No officers have been charged in connection with Bronstein's death.

The decision to unseal the video Tuesday was made because "the public's interest in the conduct of its peace officers outweighs other interests and any risk of particularized harm," US Magistrate Judge John McDermott explained in his order.

The lawsuit, filed in the Central District of California, alleges officers used "excessive and objectively unreasonable" force against Bronstein, who was "unarmed, restrained, and surrounded by uniformed peace officers." That excessive force "was also a result of the negligent employment, negligent retention, and negligent supervision" of the officers by the CHP, the lawsuit says.

The lawsuit seeks unspecified compensatory damages and requests a jury trial.
The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office tells CNN it is reviewing the case, and CHP declined to comment, citing ongoing litigation.

Gov. Gavin Newsom's office did not reply to CNN's request for comment.

Luis Carillo, an attorney representing Bronstein's family, told CNN in a statement the officers who restrained him had no "reverence for human life."

"EVEN after he said he would 'willingly' obey the officers STILL BRUTALIZED HIM ANYWAY," Carillo said. "NOBODY should die this way. The family will always suffer the loss of love of Edward."

Bronstein said he couldn't breathe several times, video shows​

After the early morning traffic stop on March 31, 2020, the lawsuit alleges, Bronstein was taken into custody and transferred to the CHP Altadena Station where officers attempted to take a blood sample at the garage area of the station.

At the start of the nearly 18-minute video, Bronstein is placed on his knees by two officers while handcuffed behind his back. At least five uniformed officers are visible during various parts of the video.

Bronstein expresses multiple times that he will comply and questions why police officers are taking his blood sample.
"Have a seat and provide your arm. This is your last opportunity. Otherwise, you're going face down on the mat, and we're going to keep on going," an officer is heard saying.

Bronstein agrees but expresses some hesitancy by asking for "a minute," and is heard saying "I can't do it" when almost immediately officers bring him face down to the mat. Bronstein is seen screaming and crying while five uniformed officers are restraining him. One officer is seen appearing to place his knee onto Bronstein's neck, and Bronstein is heard repeatedly telling officers, "I'll do it willingly."

Less than a minute later, Bronstein says a combination of "I can't breathe" and "let me breathe" at least 12 times within a 30-second span.

Several uniformed officers tell him to stop moving and an off-camera voice is heard saying, "The more you move, the worse it's going to be bro."

Bronstein then yells out, "Put your leg down! I can't breathe!" He gradually stops speaking and can only be heard making grunting noises. About three minutes into the video, Bronstein appears to stop moving.

For several minutes, officers and what appears to be a medical professional are seen in the video continuing to check Bronstein for any sign of life while continuing to take his blood sample.

More than 12 minutes into the video, officers are instructed by an off-camera voice to "uncuff him." At the 14-minute mark, officers on site are still checking Bronstein for signs of life.

"Is that a pulse? ... Is he breathing? ... If he's got a pulse and he's not breathing, he still needs rescue," the same off-camera voice is heard saying.

During the last three minutes of the video, the medical professional and officers are seen administering medical aid to Bronstein, who appears unresponsive.

The Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner's office later determined Bronstein died from "acute methamphetamine intoxication during restraint by law enforcement." It listed the manner of death as "undetermined."
The trial date in the federal lawsuit is scheduled for December 13, court documents show.


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A federal judge has unsealed a video taken by the California Highway Patrol that captures the death of Edward Bronstein, a 38-year-old man who was in their custody following a March 2020 traffic stop in Los Angeles County.
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This country’s policing problem, like pretty much everything else, is a cultural mindset. While the elites hoard wealth and resources, we fight amongst ourselves. Bottom line, we under educate and over police. This is by design.
 
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There are a lot of issues at play here, it's not as simple as saying accountability or liability

I don't know why the police even bother in cities like Chicago where the State's Attorney won't prosecute
 
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A well publicized attack on Capitol police, probably Antifa

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BlackNGoldBleeder said:
There’s a lot more to it than that. But, yes, the liberal messaging has been terrible on this issue at a time when police need more not less support.
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I realize people’s ideas on this are too far gone, too lost to popular media, but the defund concept is just that—offering the community-based support policing needs.

But the real thing that would help policing? Dramatic, scale economic reform such that the extreme wealth concentration stuff gets corrected. Save from that type of societal commitment, it’s not going to get better for law enforcement or communities law enforcement supposedly is poised to serve.

And when the wealthy and privileged classes of people aren’t held accountable for shit? The message to the rest of us is a big, fat , fück off, law enforcement.

We’re too far gone, I’m afraid. The New Deal type of corrections—those that effectively laid the groundwork for all the wealth accumulated by boomers? Those who stand to “lose” from that type of stuff have done too good a job of convincing too great a segment of the masses that their cause should be adopted, the rest of society be damned.

It’s an iceberg we hit already in our past, and I’ll be damned if we aren’t hellbent on steering directly into it again. Pretty clear to me, we’re sinking. And, oddly, we have a surprising chunk of people basically fighting to lifeboat the select few. Fascinating to watch.
 
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Rudolph said:
I realize people’s ideas on this are too far gone, too lost to popular media, but the defund concept is just that—offering the community-based support policing needs.
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"Defund the Police" is the new "Death Panels". Political slogans that bear little or no resemblance to the original concept or proposal.

You may recall that reasonable ObamaCare health care initiatives that were widely supported by the medical community were warped by Republicans into hysterical nonsense for short-term political gain (and, of course, fund raising)

... and it really doesn't matter if the idea of community based policing had been labeled "Reform the Police" or some other similar slogan. It was bound to be twisted into something it wasn't and then spoon fed to the LIV.
 
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We could start by telling the truth about police interactions with minorities. The lies have been bold and stunning and any opposition with truth is quickly shouted down.
 
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"Defund the Police" is the new "Death Panels". Political slogans that bear little or no resemblance to the original concept or proposal.

You may recall that reasonable ObamaCare health care initiatives that were widely supported by the medical community were warped by Republicans into hysterical nonsense for short-term political gain (and, of course, fund raising)

... and it really doesn't matter if the idea of community based policing had been labeled "Reform the Police" or some other similar slogan. It was bound to be twisted into something it wasn't and then spoon fed to the LIV.
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Very true. Obamacare was modeled very closely after "Romneycare" in Massachusetts but because it was promoted by Obama, Mitch McConnel and his republicans would not support it. And they used misinformation like "death panels" in their efforts.

Policing is part of overall pubic safety and it all needs to be overhauled to put people in the right positions for their duties as well as leveraging technology much more widely.
 
Hawkeye Swarm said:
Standards being lowered, not higher.

"The nation's and city's current social justice reckoning, officials said, is turning potential new candidates away from applying."

"According to the outlet, over the four months that Chicago offered its police entrance exam last year, around 3,800 people took it, compared to the 22,000 people who've sat for the exam in years prior."

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Chicago Police Department Lowers Hiring Standards To Combat Staffing Shortage | NEWSRADIO 1040 WHO

The Chicago Police Department is one of several law enforcement agencies lowering hiring standards amid a staffing shortage.
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Great. Now do teachers.
 
BubsFinn said:
Police need more support in that they need to be paid better, but in the mean time they need to be held to a higher standard to justify being paid better. I would support measures to increase pay for police on the condition that they be required to carry some sort of malpractice insurance and we get rid of qualified immunity.
It’s too easy for a stupid person on an ego trip to become a cop. Those people need to be weeded out early.
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While there are places police are paid poorly, in most cases they make significantly more money than other public employees. The issue isn't pay, it's training.
 
Tfxchawk said:
We could start by telling the truth about police interactions with minorities. The lies have been bold and stunning and any opposition with truth is quickly shouted down.
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Please, illuminate us all.
 
Rudolph said:
I realize people’s ideas on this are too far gone, too lost to popular media, but the defund concept is just that—offering the community-based support policing needs.

But the real thing that would help policing? Dramatic, scale economic reform such that the extreme wealth concentration stuff gets corrected. Save from that type of societal commitment, it’s not going to get better for law enforcement or communities law enforcement supposedly is poised to serve.

And when the wealthy and privileged classes of people aren’t held accountable for shit? The message to the rest of us is a big, fat , fück off, law enforcement.

We’re too far gone, I’m afraid. The New Deal type of corrections—those that effectively laid the groundwork for all the wealth accumulated by boomers? Those who stand to “lose” from that type of stuff have done too good a job of convincing too great a segment of the masses that their cause should be adopted, the rest of society be damned.

It’s an iceberg we hit already in our past, and I’ll be damned if we aren’t hellbent on steering directly into it again. Pretty clear to me, we’re sinking. And, oddly, we have a surprising chunk of people basically fighting to lifeboat the select few. Fascinating to watch.
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Rudy, sometimes I don’t know what is more prodigious—your intellectual acumen or your hooping skills.

I’m still taller and better looking, though. 😉
 
Hawkeye Swarm said:
Standards being lowered, not higher.

"The nation's and city's current social justice reckoning, officials said, is turning potential new candidates away from applying."

"According to the outlet, over the four months that Chicago offered its police entrance exam last year, around 3,800 people took it, compared to the 22,000 people who've sat for the exam in years prior."

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Chicago Police Department Lowers Hiring Standards To Combat Staffing Shortage | NEWSRADIO 1040 WHO

The Chicago Police Department is one of several law enforcement agencies lowering hiring standards amid a staffing shortage.
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Wtf would want to be a cop in chicago now or 5 years ago????
 
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BubsFinn said:
Police need more support in that they need to be paid better, but in the mean time they need to be held to a higher standard to justify being paid better. I would support measures to increase pay for police on the condition that they be required to carry some sort of malpractice insurance and we get rid of qualified immunity.
It’s too easy for a stupid person on an ego trip to become a cop. Those people need to be weeded out early.
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many of them need to quit being smart ass pricks and people might care more.
 
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I’m all for accountability for cops….when do we get that same “cry” for accountability for local DAs that keep letting scumbags out quicker than the average turnstile. I know if I’m a cop and keep seeing and arresting the same scum, I might take some liberties.
 
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