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The Malignancy of Donald Trump

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Pretty astute observations. Yes, prepared for the incoming of laughing emojis from the turd faction.

In an interview with The New Republic's Greg Sargent, Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer outlined how Trump has even used the devastation from California's fires to lob attacks at his political opponents instead of trying to bring the country together.

"It does strike me as something novel about the right, certainly within the last 15 years... there is a combination of the malignancy of Donald Trump himself, who is constantly seeking ways to be in the headlines, the media environment in which we live that really favors this kind of outrage and negative emotion, and a conservative media ecosystem that takes that revved-up let's-make-everybody-angry dynamic and applies it to electoral politics," she said. "All those things come together to turn everything that happens into an opportunity for a fight."

The result of this, she says, is that "everything just feels worse all the time."

Hemmer also notes that conservatives have been laying the blame for natural disasters at the feet of people who live in urban areas for decades, such as when they used the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina to smear the city of New Orleans.

"There was a pastor, John Hagee, who said... 'Have you been to New Orleans? You see the way that they are, you see what sinful people they are, so God has sent this punishment against them,'" she recalls.

She adds, though, that Trump has made this dynamic worse because he now thinks that "every time a natural disaster happens, I can make political hay out of it."


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So, yeah, it's pretty obvious Trump wants this job simply because of the attention and adulation that comes with it. And, unfortunately, he's been able to get enough people who don't really care if their guy takes the job seriously or not.
 
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Pretty astute observations. Yes, prepared for the incoming of laughing emojis from turd faction.

In an interview with The New Republic's Greg Sargent, Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer outlined how Trump has even used the devastation from California's fires to lob attacks at his political opponents instead of trying to bring the country together.

"It does strike me as something novel about the right, certainly within the last 15 years... there is a combination of the malignancy of Donald Trump himself, who is constantly seeking ways to be in the headlines, the media environment in which we live that really favors this kind of outrage and negative emotion, and a conservative media ecosystem that takes that revved-up let's-make-everybody-angry dynamic and applies it to electoral politics," she said. "All those things come together to turn everything that happens into an opportunity for a fight."

The result of this, she says, is that "everything just feels worse all the time."

Hemmer also notes that conservatives have been laying the blame for natural disasters at the feet of people who live in urban areas for decades, such as when they used the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina to smear the city of New Orleans.

"There was a pastor, John Hagee, who said... 'Have you been to New Orleans? You see the way that they are, you see what sinful people they are, so God has sent this punishment against them,'" she recalls.

She adds, though, that Trump has made this dynamic worse because he now thinks that "every time a natural disaster happens, I can make political hay out of it."


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So, yeah, it's pretty obvious Trump wants this job simply because of the attention and adulation that comes with it. And, unfortunately, he's been able to get enough people who don't really care if their guy takes the job seriously or not.
To the extent that his turds claim the Dems control the weather ffs. Why don’t they brew up a thunderstorm to put out the fires?
 
Pretty astute observations. Yes, prepared for the incoming of laughing emojis from turd faction.

In an interview with The New Republic's Greg Sargent, Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer outlined how Trump has even used the devastation from California's fires to lob attacks at his political opponents instead of trying to bring the country together.

"It does strike me as something novel about the right, certainly within the last 15 years... there is a combination of the malignancy of Donald Trump himself, who is constantly seeking ways to be in the headlines, the media environment in which we live that really favors this kind of outrage and negative emotion, and a conservative media ecosystem that takes that revved-up let's-make-everybody-angry dynamic and applies it to electoral politics," she said. "All those things come together to turn everything that happens into an opportunity for a fight."

The result of this, she says, is that "everything just feels worse all the time."

Hemmer also notes that conservatives have been laying the blame for natural disasters at the feet of people who live in urban areas for decades, such as when they used the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina to smear the city of New Orleans.

"There was a pastor, John Hagee, who said... 'Have you been to New Orleans? You see the way that they are, you see what sinful people they are, so God has sent this punishment against them,'" she recalls.

She adds, though, that Trump has made this dynamic worse because he now thinks that "every time a natural disaster happens, I can make political hay out of it."


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So, yeah, it's pretty obvious Trump wants this job simply because of the attention and adulation that comes with it. And, unfortunately, he's been able to get enough people who don't really care if their guy takes the job seriously or not.
Could you imagine if 9/11 happened under Trump? Instead of uniting the country, he’d likely use the tragedy to divide us further, blaming Democrats for being "soft on terror" or targeting blue cities with inflammatory rhetoric. Press conferences would focus on his greatness while deflecting blame, and dissenters would be branded unpatriotic. Rather than fostering resilience, he’d stir up fear, push conspiracy theories, and use the disaster to boost his political brand (imagine the merchandise).
 
Could you imagine if 9/11 happened under Trump? Instead of uniting the country, he’d likely use the tragedy to divide us further, blaming Democrats for being "soft on terror" or targeting blue cities with inflammatory rhetoric. Press conferences would focus on his greatness while deflecting blame, and dissenters would be branded unpatriotic. Rather than fostering resilience, he’d stir up fear, push conspiracy theories, and use the disaster to boost his political brand (imagine the merchandise).

One thing that is striking to me is that conservatives and liberals both used to have their own conspiracy theorists. Anti-Vaxxers used to be extreme liberals who where afraid the drug companies were out to get them. 9/11 truthers were extreme liberals who hated Bush. Anti-GMO people were extreme liberals.

Now all those conspiracy theorists are right wingers.

I wouldn't even call it conservative because there is nothing conservative about tearing down all of the old institutions that the country used to be able to trust.
 
Pretty astute observations. Yes, prepared for the incoming of laughing emojis from the turd faction.

In an interview with The New Republic's Greg Sargent, Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer outlined how Trump has even used the devastation from California's fires to lob attacks at his political opponents instead of trying to bring the country together.

"It does strike me as something novel about the right, certainly within the last 15 years... there is a combination of the malignancy of Donald Trump himself, who is constantly seeking ways to be in the headlines, the media environment in which we live that really favors this kind of outrage and negative emotion, and a conservative media ecosystem that takes that revved-up let's-make-everybody-angry dynamic and applies it to electoral politics," she said. "All those things come together to turn everything that happens into an opportunity for a fight."

The result of this, she says, is that "everything just feels worse all the time."

Hemmer also notes that conservatives have been laying the blame for natural disasters at the feet of people who live in urban areas for decades, such as when they used the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina to smear the city of New Orleans.

"There was a pastor, John Hagee, who said... 'Have you been to New Orleans? You see the way that they are, you see what sinful people they are, so God has sent this punishment against them,'" she recalls.

She adds, though, that Trump has made this dynamic worse because he now thinks that "every time a natural disaster happens, I can make political hay out of it."


Link


So, yeah, it's pretty obvious Trump wants this job simply because of the attention and adulation that comes with it. And, unfortunately, he's been able to get enough people who don't really care if their guy takes the job seriously or not.
He only ran for president a second time to stay out of prison. The vile nature of the man is the baggage he carries with him. People know who he is, and they don't care. For 49.9 percent of the voting population in 2024 the vile cruelty of the man is the point.
 
Could you imagine if 9/11 happened under Trump? Instead of uniting the country, he’d likely use the tragedy to divide us further, blaming Democrats for being "soft on terror" or targeting blue cities with inflammatory rhetoric. Press conferences would focus on his greatness while deflecting blame, and dissenters would be branded unpatriotic. Rather than fostering resilience, he’d stir up fear, push conspiracy theories, and use the disaster to boost his political brand (imagine the merchandise).
Isn’t this exactly what the Cheney-cons did?
 
Isn’t this exactly what the Cheney-cons did?
Um, that's a stretch. After 9/11, Bush's response wasn’t about division—it was about uniting the country. His approval rating hit 90%, the highest ever recorded, because he struck a balance between strength and compassion. Remember his speech at Ground Zero? Standing on the rubble with a megaphone, telling first responders and the country, “The people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon”? That moment wasn’t about partisanship—it was about rallying everyone together. I think American Flags sold out around the nation.

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He made a point to remind people that this wasn’t a war against Islam but against terrorism, trying to stop scapegoating of Muslim-Americans. And let’s not forget, Congress worked with him—on both sides of the aisle—to pass measures like the PATRIOT Act and to create the Department of Homeland Security. Even NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time, standing with us.

Sure, the decisions after that—like Iraq—became polarizing, but immediately after 9/11? Bush made it about unity and shared grief, not political hay or finger-pointing. Comparing that to Trump is a stretch.
 
Could you imagine if 9/11 happened under Trump? Instead of uniting the country, he’d likely use the tragedy to divide us further, blaming Democrats for being "soft on terror" or targeting blue cities with inflammatory rhetoric. Press conferences would focus on his greatness while deflecting blame, and dissenters would be branded unpatriotic. Rather than fostering resilience, he’d stir up fear, push conspiracy theories, and use the disaster to boost his political brand (imagine the merchandise).
@NoWokeBloke have any evidence to dispute this other than a cowardly laughing emoji? Here's my evidence (keep in mind, I voted for Romney not Obama):

Obama after Bin Laden
When Obama announced the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011, his tone was steady, focused on the significance of the achievement for the country, and emphasized the collective effort. His speech, delivered in the White House Situation Room, highlighted the teamwork of intelligence agencies, the military, and allies, making it clear that this was a victory for the United States and its values. Obama emphasized that the operation was a result of a coordinated effort and expressed respect for the families who had suffered due to bin Laden's actions. It was a solemn moment, aimed at showing leadership and respect for the victims of 9/11 while acknowledging the gravity of the operation. Obama’s remarks centered on the country's unity in the face of terror.

Trump after al-Baddadi
On the other hand, when Trump announced the death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in 2019, his tone was more self-congratulatory. While the operation was undoubtedly significant, Trump's speech often shifted toward praising himself and his administration. He referred to the mission as "beautiful" and "very successful" multiple times, with an emphasis on his own role in making the decision and overseeing the operation. Unlike Obama, Trump frequently highlighted his personal involvement in the decision-making process, creating a narrative where the success was closely tied to his leadership rather than the broader collective effort of the military and intelligence agencies. Trump also used the opportunity to take a swipe at political adversaries, making the announcement more about reinforcing his own image than about the solemnity of the achievement.

In contrast to Obama’s more reserved and collective tone, Trump’s remarks leaned heavily into making it about himself, often framing the operation in terms of his leadership and personal decisions, rather than a broader national or global effort.
 
Um, that's a stretch. After 9/11, Bush's response wasn’t about division—it was about uniting the country. His approval rating hit 90%, the highest ever recorded, because he struck a balance between strength and compassion. Remember his speech at Ground Zero? Standing on the rubble with a megaphone, telling first responders and the country, “The people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon”? That moment wasn’t about partisanship—it was about rallying everyone together. I think American Flags sold out around the nation.

1694432514230


He made a point to remind people that this wasn’t a war against Islam but against terrorism, trying to stop scapegoating of Muslim-Americans. And let’s not forget, Congress worked with him—on both sides of the aisle—to pass measures like the PATRIOT Act and to create the Department of Homeland Security. Even NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time, standing with us.

Sure, the decisions after that—like Iraq—became polarizing, but immediately after 9/11? Bush made it about unity and shared grief, not political hay or finger-pointing. Comparing that to Trump is a stretch.
😂😂😂 so now the Cheney-cons are great unifiers. Anything Dumbya/Dick did in September-October 2001 was pretty much nullified by the next seven years. And there was no shortage of finger-pointing and questioning of patriotism from the Cheney-cons over those seven years.
 
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😂😂😂 so now the Cheney-cons are great unifiers. Anything Dumbya/Dick did in September-October 2001 was pretty much nullified by the next seven years. And there was no shortage of finger-pointing and questioning of patriotism from the Cheney-cons over those seven years.
So, in short (based on your deflection), you can't refute that Trump would have stood at ground zero making it all about himself while villainizing the Democrats rather than terrorism.

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Could you imagine if 9/11 happened under Trump? Instead of uniting the country, he’d likely use the tragedy to divide us further, blaming Democrats for being "soft on terror" or targeting blue cities with inflammatory rhetoric. Press conferences would focus on his greatness while deflecting blame, and dissenters would be branded unpatriotic. Rather than fostering resilience, he’d stir up fear, push conspiracy theories, and use the disaster to boost his political brand (imagine the merchandise).

We already know what Trump did when 9/11 happened and his business was real estate and self promotion. He bragged about having the tallest building and made up stories about Muslims. It's not hard to imagine what he would do if his business was politics and self promotion.
 
@NoWokeBloke have any evidence to dispute this other than a cowardly laughing emoji? Here's my evidence (keep in mind, I voted for Romney not Obama):

Obama after Bin Laden
When Obama announced the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011, his tone was steady, focused on the significance of the achievement for the country, and emphasized the collective effort. His speech, delivered in the White House Situation Room, highlighted the teamwork of intelligence agencies, the military, and allies, making it clear that this was a victory for the United States and its values. Obama emphasized that the operation was a result of a coordinated effort and expressed respect for the families who had suffered due to bin Laden's actions. It was a solemn moment, aimed at showing leadership and respect for the victims of 9/11 while acknowledging the gravity of the operation. Obama’s remarks centered on the country's unity in the face of terror.

Trump after al-Baddadi
On the other hand, when Trump announced the death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in 2019, his tone was more self-congratulatory. While the operation was undoubtedly significant, Trump's speech often shifted toward praising himself and his administration. He referred to the mission as "beautiful" and "very successful" multiple times, with an emphasis on his own role in making the decision and overseeing the operation. Unlike Obama, Trump frequently highlighted his personal involvement in the decision-making process, creating a narrative where the success was closely tied to his leadership rather than the broader collective effort of the military and intelligence agencies. Trump also used the opportunity to take a swipe at political adversaries, making the announcement more about reinforcing his own image than about the solemnity of the achievement.

In contrast to Obama’s more reserved and collective tone, Trump’s remarks leaned heavily into making it about himself, often framing the operation in terms of his leadership and personal decisions, rather than a broader national or global effort.
He's a narcissist...that's what they do.
 
We already know what Trump did when 9/11 happened and his business was real estate and self promotion. He bragged about having the tallest building and made up stories about Muslims. It's not hard to imagine what he would do if his business was politics and self promotion.
Holy Crap! You're right...I had forgotten about that. I was too busy reading critic reporting in a SCIF.

On the day of the 9/11 attacks, Trump called into a television station and said: "40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan... And now it’s the tallest."
 
I think the simplest way to describe the malignancy of Trump is that he brings out the worst in both his supporters and his detractors. The anger, the conspiracies', the alternative realities, acceptance of violence, dragging his party and supporters into the gutter. Then his detractors - even if they're often on the right side - can take the opposition too far into hatefulness, always going exactly opposite sometimes the land into irrationality, some of the TDS stuff.

Just a true poison.
 
OP sited a college professor. Shocking that he would voice an opinion negative towards Republicans. Shocking I tell you.

Funny how professors are so damn smart, but never step up in leadership roles. Instead spend all their time bashing the decisions of those who are in positions of power.
 
Liberals are just crying because Trump did such a beautiful job taking out some of the baddest men on the planet. Some of the military said they had never even seen such a beautiful operation.

If Obama would have been in the White House they never would have even known where Soleimani and Baghdadi were….let alone be able to plan an operation to get them! Obama couldn’t even imagine the intelligence and planning that things like that take!
 
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He only ran for president a second time to stay out of prison. The vile nature of the man is the baggage he carries with him. People know who he is, and they don't care. For 49.9 percent of the voting population in 2024 the vile cruelty of the man is the point.
It's what White Nationalists crave...a White Merica.

It's both sad and funny people could be manipulated so easily.
 
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@NoWokeBloke have any evidence to dispute this other than a cowardly laughing emoji? Here's my evidence (keep in mind, I voted for Romney not Obama):

Obama after Bin Laden
When Obama announced the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011, his tone was steady, focused on the significance of the achievement for the country, and emphasized the collective effort. His speech, delivered in the White House Situation Room, highlighted the teamwork of intelligence agencies, the military, and allies, making it clear that this was a victory for the United States and its values. Obama emphasized that the operation was a result of a coordinated effort and expressed respect for the families who had suffered due to bin Laden's actions. It was a solemn moment, aimed at showing leadership and respect for the victims of 9/11 while acknowledging the gravity of the operation. Obama’s remarks centered on the country's unity in the face of terror.

Trump after al-Baddadi
On the other hand, when Trump announced the death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in 2019, his tone was more self-congratulatory. While the operation was undoubtedly significant, Trump's speech often shifted toward praising himself and his administration. He referred to the mission as "beautiful" and "very successful" multiple times, with an emphasis on his own role in making the decision and overseeing the operation. Unlike Obama, Trump frequently highlighted his personal involvement in the decision-making process, creating a narrative where the success was closely tied to his leadership rather than the broader collective effort of the military and intelligence agencies. Trump also used the opportunity to take a swipe at political adversaries, making the announcement more about reinforcing his own image than about the solemnity of the achievement.

In contrast to Obama’s more reserved and collective tone, Trump’s remarks leaned heavily into making it about himself, often framing the operation in terms of his leadership and personal decisions, rather than a broader national or global effort.
Of course, trump is a very low self-respect self-image narcissist overall. He knows he is a lousy golfer, father, business person, prez etc but the says he is great, just more of his lies
 
Pretty astute observations. Yes, prepared for the incoming of laughing emojis from the turd faction.

In an interview with The New Republic's Greg Sargent, Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer outlined how Trump has even used the devastation from California's fires to lob attacks at his political opponents instead of trying to bring the country together.

"It does strike me as something novel about the right, certainly within the last 15 years... there is a combination of the malignancy of Donald Trump himself, who is constantly seeking ways to be in the headlines, the media environment in which we live that really favors this kind of outrage and negative emotion, and a conservative media ecosystem that takes that revved-up let's-make-everybody-angry dynamic and applies it to electoral politics," she said. "All those things come together to turn everything that happens into an opportunity for a fight."

The result of this, she says, is that "everything just feels worse all the time."

Hemmer also notes that conservatives have been laying the blame for natural disasters at the feet of people who live in urban areas for decades, such as when they used the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina to smear the city of New Orleans.

"There was a pastor, John Hagee, who said... 'Have you been to New Orleans? You see the way that they are, you see what sinful people they are, so God has sent this punishment against them,'" she recalls.

She adds, though, that Trump has made this dynamic worse because he now thinks that "every time a natural disaster happens, I can make political hay out of it."


Link


So, yeah, it's pretty obvious Trump wants this job simply because of the attention and adulation that comes with it. And, unfortunately, he's been able to get enough people who don't really care if their guy takes the job seriously or not.
He's basically the dope you see on a message board like this trying to score political points wherever they can.

Except that he's the goddamn president of the United States.
 
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I'm with the sentiment of the OP that it's disgusting this is political. At the same time, it's not as if every school shooting isn't turned into a discussion about gun control, race or religion within hours of it happening.

The guy who saved people on the subway by choking out an assailant who died later was immediately labeled a racist (and tried) because he happened to be white and the perp happened to be black.

Hurricanes get met with "oh well that state is red..." Murders in cities are shrugged off with "well, they've been voting Dems for decades, this is what you get..."

Trump didn't start this, and he won't end it either obviously. It's 4 years until the next presidential election, it would be nice to take maybe a 2-3 year break from everything having to be political in some way.

/Rant. Back to senseless bickering
 
I'm with the sentiment of the OP that it's disgusting this is political. At the same time, it's not as if every school shooting isn't turned into a discussion about gun control, race or religion within hours of it happening.

The guy who saved people on the subway by choking out an assailant who died later was immediately labeled a racist (and tried) because he happened to be white and the perp happened to be black.

Hurricanes get met with "oh well that state is red..." Murders in cities are shrugged off with "well, they've been voting Dems for decades, this is what you get..."

Trump didn't start this, and he won't end it either obviously. It's 4 years until the next presidential election, it would be nice to take maybe a 2-3 year break from everything having to be political in some way.

/Rant. Back to senseless bickering

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Um, that's a stretch. After 9/11, Bush's response wasn’t about division—it was about uniting the country. His approval rating hit 90%, the highest ever recorded, because he struck a balance between strength and compassion. Remember his speech at Ground Zero? Standing on the rubble with a megaphone, telling first responders and the country, “The people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon”? That moment wasn’t about partisanship—it was about rallying everyone together. I think American Flags sold out around the nation.

1694432514230


He made a point to remind people that this wasn’t a war against Islam but against terrorism, trying to stop scapegoating of Muslim-Americans. And let’s not forget, Congress worked with him—on both sides of the aisle—to pass measures like the PATRIOT Act and to create the Department of Homeland Security. Even NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time, standing with us.

Sure, the decisions after that—like Iraq—became polarizing, but immediately after 9/11? Bush made it about unity and shared grief, not political hay or finger-pointing. Comparing that to Trump is a stretch.
Ohh, so in the end, that’s all war crimes really are; just some ‘polarizing decisions’.

Who knew?
 
Ohh, so in the end, that’s all war crimes really are; just some ‘polarizing decisions’.

Who knew?
List the war crimes that occurred on 9/12 please. Additionally, list the war crimes associated with OEF. (I caveated OIF which has nothing to do with OEF and 9/12, despite what we were told).
 
Pretty astute observations. Yes, prepared for the incoming of laughing emojis from the turd faction.

In an interview with The New Republic's Greg Sargent, Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer outlined how Trump has even used the devastation from California's fires to lob attacks at his political opponents instead of trying to bring the country together.

"It does strike me as something novel about the right, certainly within the last 15 years... there is a combination of the malignancy of Donald Trump himself, who is constantly seeking ways to be in the headlines, the media environment in which we live that really favors this kind of outrage and negative emotion, and a conservative media ecosystem that takes that revved-up let's-make-everybody-angry dynamic and applies it to electoral politics," she said. "All those things come together to turn everything that happens into an opportunity for a fight."

The result of this, she says, is that "everything just feels worse all the time."

Hemmer also notes that conservatives have been laying the blame for natural disasters at the feet of people who live in urban areas for decades, such as when they used the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina to smear the city of New Orleans.

"There was a pastor, John Hagee, who said... 'Have you been to New Orleans? You see the way that they are, you see what sinful people they are, so God has sent this punishment against them,'" she recalls.

She adds, though, that Trump has made this dynamic worse because he now thinks that "every time a natural disaster happens, I can make political hay out of it."


Link


So, yeah, it's pretty obvious Trump wants this job simply because of the attention and adulation that comes with it. And, unfortunately, he's been able to get enough people who don't really care if their guy takes the job seriously or not.

With all due respect, this just reflects the feeling of older generations over time.

It sounds like the Greatest Generation saying the Silent Generation is ruining the world, then the Silent Generation saying Boomers are ruining society, then the Boomers saying Gen X is ruining the world and so on. "The world is going to hell and it is the next generations fault" has been going on for a LONG time. It did not just appear 15 years ago.

Each party takes advantage of tragedies to lob grenades at the other side. Unfortunately, that's politics.

As far as the seeking publicity thing,,,,that is also quite pervasive in society and has been for a LONG time. The rise of Social Media has certainly contributed to that over the past 15-20 years. I could certainly see her point from that aspect.

It is a good read, but I think the blame (if there is any) cannot be attributed to 1 party or 1 person.
 
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