The missed Out of Bounds call Cost WI the Na'tl Championship
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With 1:53 left in the NCAA championship game and Duke beating Wisconsin 63-58, the Badgers' Bronson Koenig missed a layup and the ball fell out of bounds.
Initially the refs ruled that it touched no one, but there was suspicion it hit Duke's Justise Winslow, so they went to an official review. Here's what they saw:
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/12634445/did-refs-get-wrong-crucial-bounds-review-duke-wisconsin
The final decision: Not enough evidence to overturn the call, giving the Blue Devils the ball. Tyus Jones promptly hit a 3-pointer, putting Duke up eight instead of Wisconsin, potentially, pulling to within one possession.
Duke went on to win 68-63, and the decision drew the ire of a number of NBA players.
This post was edited on 4/7 5:40 AM by OnceAhawk
Initially the refs ruled that it touched no one, but there was suspicion it hit Duke's Justise Winslow, so they went to an official review. Here's what they saw:
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/12634445/did-refs-get-wrong-crucial-bounds-review-duke-wisconsin
The final decision: Not enough evidence to overturn the call, giving the Blue Devils the ball. Tyus Jones promptly hit a 3-pointer, putting Duke up eight instead of Wisconsin, potentially, pulling to within one possession.
Duke went on to win 68-63, and the decision drew the ire of a number of NBA players.
This post was edited on 4/7 5:40 AM by OnceAhawk
I think it's funny that a team that regularly gets the benefit of the calls and plays an extremely physical style is now complaining about refs and physical play of the other team.
Too bad, deal with the treatment that every other team gets when playing you.
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Too bad, deal with the treatment that every other team gets when playing you.
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The announcers kept saying to watch the ball to see if it was misdirected....and its possible to see a smidge, but not overwhelmingly convincing. But watching this video, I noticed something different....watch Winslows hand and fingers - clearly his middle finger is bent when grazed by the ball. This was a huge blown call. Its unfathomable that they could go to the monitors and still miss it.
Gasser not getting called out of bounds and Wisky winning B1G title has been vindicated. It's over for Wisky & Bo. As close as he'll ever get...
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How you can complain that one call cost you "the game" after pissing away a 9 point lead later in the second half is beyond me...
You choked, dudes...you too crybaby Bo...get over it.
Read the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel this morning...no mention at all of a bad call costing the game.
You choked, dudes...you too crybaby Bo...get over it.
Read the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel this morning...no mention at all of a bad call costing the game.
Higgins did not officiate this game. It was Joe De Rosa, Pat Driscoll, and a black guy I'm not familiar with. Driscoll officiates a lot of Big 10 games and my opinion is he's not good. It seems to me he can be influenced by coaches and not our coach.
I think he's weak. I can't believe these 3 refs are the best the NCAA can come up with.
I hate it when a game is called one way for the first half and then it is called completely different the second.
Coach K obviously told his guards to drive the ball and lean into the Wisky players initiating the contact. The problem is when Wisky had the ball Duke initiated contact and never got the calls in the second half.
I think the difference in the game (other than the way the officials called the game) was Duke's guards were so much more active than Wisconsin's. Duke's guards won the game for them in the second half.
Think about how much better Duke's guards are better than Wisky's and how much better Wisky's guards are than Iowa's.
Iowa won't compete with the top 15 teams in the country until we get better at the guard position.
I think he's weak. I can't believe these 3 refs are the best the NCAA can come up with.
I hate it when a game is called one way for the first half and then it is called completely different the second.
Coach K obviously told his guards to drive the ball and lean into the Wisky players initiating the contact. The problem is when Wisky had the ball Duke initiated contact and never got the calls in the second half.
I think the difference in the game (other than the way the officials called the game) was Duke's guards were so much more active than Wisconsin's. Duke's guards won the game for them in the second half.
Think about how much better Duke's guards are better than Wisky's and how much better Wisky's guards are than Iowa's.
Iowa won't compete with the top 15 teams in the country until we get better at the guard position.
These were the only calls I had problems with. Winslow 2 charges, steps out of bounds, fingertip ball out of bounds. Those 4 were HUGE. The foul disparity sure was bad, but it really was the 4 calls.
That was 7 or 8 extra points (I think Winslow hit both free throws, maybe just 1 on the block called) not counting the foul disparity.
Nice call out on the guards also. As I was expecting Wisconsin would need Jackson to break them down in a similar manner to the second half of Kentucky. However Jackson on two separate occasions was lazy with the ball and had a turnover, missed an easy layup (those are just what I remember - sure there was more from him). Dekker couldn't drive past anyone last night. Allen/Jones > anyone on Wiscy at slashing to hoop.
Of course the kid was out of bounds on the other end because the Wisconsin player pushed him out of bounds. The right call puts a 80% free throw shooter to the line.
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They missed the OB call. The idea that it cost Wisconsin the game, though, is a bit of a stretch.
John Higgins wasn't in the crew that worked last night's game.
I hate Duke, OK? But the idea that Wisky was only called for two fouls in the first half is ludicrous.
The key to the game wasn't officiating. The keys to the game were (1) Wisconsin couldn't handle Duke's guards, and (2) Decker had a bad night.
I just don't understand the replay aspect of college basketball? Why use it, if you can't get it right? I mean they went to the monitor 2-3 times last night and didn't overturn a single call? The time duke's PG went into the wisky defender and got bailed out with a foul??? I just hate that, if the offensive player initiates contact, its a no call. I hate how officials bail these guards flying through the air out of control.
The officials last night were very odd in their calls. It seems like Driscoll was lost most of the evening and struggled to be consistent in his calls. Derossa was also lost and seemed every 50/50 call went against Wisky in the 2nd half. I just can't believe that you can have that much a disparity in calls in the 2nd half.
The hand checking was awful in the 2nd half and even on out of bounds plays Duke's guards would 2 hand shove the Wisky players away and no call?? I don't know the solution but the NCAA needs to find better officials, have them enforce the game more or something. It is getting hard to watch now a days.
The officials last night were very odd in their calls. It seems like Driscoll was lost most of the evening and struggled to be consistent in his calls. Derossa was also lost and seemed every 50/50 call went against Wisky in the 2nd half. I just can't believe that you can have that much a disparity in calls in the 2nd half.
The hand checking was awful in the 2nd half and even on out of bounds plays Duke's guards would 2 hand shove the Wisky players away and no call?? I don't know the solution but the NCAA needs to find better officials, have them enforce the game more or something. It is getting hard to watch now a days.
Coach K mentioned in his halftime interview about how Wisky had so few fouls, I guess he got his wish in the second half.
This and other obvious calls that weren't reversed this year, the only thing I can think of is the refs are looking at the same thing we are, but on a very small monitor as opposed to the 50 inch screen we're watching. I have been shocked, as have the announcers of the games, when some calls don't get changed. There have been more obvious ones than this
I think this just shows how poor officiating in college basketball is. Wisconsin played that style the entire season and was the least penalized team. They played that style the entire first half and only had 2 fouls, then all of a sudden Duke gets down by 9 and everything is a foul on Wisconsin in the 2nd half. Refs are deciding the flow and outcomes of too many games now.
Yes, Duke got more calls to go their way in the 2nd half. The one call I remember as being a turning point was when Winslow made an obvious charge with a lot of time left in the 2nd half, which would have been his 4th foul when Okafor was on the bench with 4. If he had gotten that foul then, he couldn't have been nearly as aggressive the rest of the game and WI probably wins going away.
I agree with you 100 percent. when they blew the video up for us TV viewers, it was clear the ball was off Duke but the refs said there was nothing there and kept the call the same: Ball went to Duke
Again, I understand refs missing calls BUT the video replay is there for a purpose: to get the call right. SO, why did the refs not see what everyone else saw?
WI should have been down by 5, 63-58, 1:53 left in the game,with the ball under their basket. Instead, Duke was awarded the ball and they went down, hit a 3, extending their lead to 8.
HUGE, pivotal point in the game; WI ended up with the ball at the end of the game down 5; they should have only been down 2 (if the refs get this call right), despite the fact that Dekker (0-6 from 3) and Hayes (how many missed layups/bunnies?) had off nights
WI should have been down by 5, 63-58, 1:53 left in the game,with the ball under their basket. Instead, Duke was awarded the ball and they went down, hit a 3, extending their lead to 8.
All you could say was "ball game." I am just glad I am not a Badgers fan; I would be sick.
HUGE, pivotal point in the game; WI ended up with the ball at the end of the game down 5; they should have only been down 2 (if the refs get this call right), despite the fact that Dekker (0-6 from 3) and Hayes (how many missed layups/bunnies?) had off nights
fair enough. Bo does work the officials all game and normally has them in his back pocket. Vs Duke? Not so much.
I keep thinking about the Iowa/WI game 2 seasons ago; Gabe gets fouled on one end, no foul; Hayes backing into Gabe on the other end, a foul on Iowa. Fran, of course, gets tossed.
Karma is a bee-otch
It's kind of embarrassing for the NCAA when the TV commentators all agree that Winslow touches the ball last, but the original decision is upheld and Duke retains the ball. The average fan begins to wonder why that is and if it means something shady is going on.
duke's guards (2 freshman) were outstanding; hard to believe but 4 freshmen scored 60 of Dukes 68 points
I guess Coach K has the "one and done" system down; might make the players looking at KY consider Duke instead because you will be better coached at Duke
if this had happened to Iowa....just imagine....
being down by 5 with the ball with just under 2 minutes was very manageable vs Duke; however, when Duke was awarded the ball and Jones nails the 3 moments later, that 8 point (3 possession) lead is much harder to overcome when you have 90 or so seconds left in the game
I completely agree. I'm merely suggesting that it's pretty funny that one of the two teams (the other being MSU) in the B1G that benefit the most from this now has people complaining (not necessarily just Bo or the team, though a bit of that) that the refs are favoring the other team.
I'm not a Duke fan at all, and had that exact same game been played against the likes of a team that I don't hate, I'd be all over the "why do the refs favor Duke?" bandwagon. It's just funny that, as another poster put it, Bo got Bo'd.
Good post. My thoughts on the last paragraph. College basketball IS getting harder to watch. The best teams every year play very physical. Answer? Other teams go to this style to try and be competitive. Result? Many more teams being physical and refs allowing it "so the game flows smoother". Watching today's front line players, who are built like DE's, back a player down and and shoot a two foot shot, and guards driving to the basket covering the ball with two arms like a RB isn't pretty. Nobody wants to see it, but more fouls need to be called and players sitting until they learn to play defense with feet and quickness. Not hips, hands, arms, shoulders, etc.
I said it in another thread, but the biggest reason Wisconsin lost was their defense of ball screens, and specifically, Kaminsky. Instead of hedging the screen and forcing the guard to give up the ball (or at least retreat way around it), he was dropping way off and allowing the guard to shoot before Koenig could recover. They gave up several 17 foot wide open jump shots as a result of this, and it nearly cost them the Kentucky game as well.
Ok Bo, So Wisky didn't foul at all in the second half ( like apparently they didn't in the first either) but Winslow and Okafor should have fouled out 3 times each? Makes sense
This is the same Wisconsin team and coach that get so many calls that led to Fran getting ejected right?
