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The next time someone talks about money from "Big Oil" in climate debate...

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Just remember that there is far, far, far, far, far, far more money avalanching into the pockets of those who are constantly ringing the alarm bell from the government. It isn't even close. Do they have a vested interest in making sure things sound as catastrophic as possible? You bet they do. For all the reasons that some folks question scientists like Richard Lindzen, Roger Pielke, etc and accuse them as being shills for "Big Oil"...except in this case, it actually does happen, and on a scale that absolutely dwarfs accusations against so-called skeptics. Take for example, Jagadish Shukla of George Mason University, of the recent flap about wanting to charge anyone who questions conclusions within climate science that he agrees with RICO statutes (HT: Warren Meyer at CoyoteBlog):

Several months ago, a lot of folks where shocked to find that the Clinton Foundation only spent $9 million in direct aid out of a total budget of $150 million, with the rest going to salaries and bonuses and luxury travel for family and friends and other members of the Clinton posse.

None of this surprised me. From my time at Ivy League schools, I know any number of kids from rich families that work for some sort of trust or non-profit that has nominally charitable goals, but most of whose budget seems to go to lavish parties, first-class travel, and sinecures for various wealthy family scions.

But this week comes a story from the climate world that demonstrates that making a fortune from your non-profit is not just for the old money any more -- it appears to be a great way for activists to build new fortunes.

The story starts with the abhorrent letter by 20 university professors urging President Obama to use the RICO statute (usually thought of as a tool to fight organized crime) to jail people who disagree with them in a scientific debate. The letter was authored by Jagadish Shukla of George Mason University, and seems to take the position that all climate skeptics are part of an organized coordinated gang that are actively promoting ideas they know to be wrong solely for financial enrichment. (I will give the near-universal skeptic reply to this: "So where is my Exxon check?!"

Anyway, a couple of folks, including Roger Pielke, Jr. and Steve McIntyre, both folks who get accused of being oil industry funded but who in fact get little or no funding from any such source, wondered where Shukla's funding comes from. Shukla gets what looks like a very generous salary from George Mason University of $314,000 a year. Power to him on that score. However, the more interesting part is where he makes the rest of his money, because it turns out his university salary is well under half his total income. The "non-profits" he controls pays him, his family, and his friends over $800,000 a year in compensation, all paid out of government grants that supposedly are to support science.

A number of years ago Shukla created a couple of non-profits called the Institute for Global Environment and Security (IGES) and the Center for Ocean Land Atmosphere Interactions (COLA). Both were founded by Shukla and are essentially controlled by him, though both now have some sort of institutional relationship with George Mason University as well. Steve McIntyre has the whole story in its various details.

COLA and IGES both seem to have gotten most of their revenues from NSF, NASA, and NOAA grants. Over the years, the IGES appears to have collected over $75 million in grants. As an aside, this single set of grants to one tiny, you-never-even-heard-of-it climate non-profit is very likely way higher than the cumulative sum total of all money ever paid to skeptics. I have always thought that warmists freaking out over the trivial sums of money going to skeptics is a bit like a football coach who is winning 97-0 freaking out in anger over the other team finally picking up a first down.

Apparently a LOT of this non-profit grant money ends up in the Shukla family bank accounts.

In 2001, the earliest year thus far publicly available, in 2001, in addition to his university salary (not yet available, but presumably about $125,000), Shukla and his wife received a further $214,496 in compensation from IGES (Shukla -$128,796; Anne Shukla – $85,700). Their combined compensation from IGES doubled over the next two years to approximately $400,000 (additional to Shukla’s university salary of say $130,000), for combined compensation of about $530,000 by 2004.

Shukla’s university salary increased dramatically over the decade reaching $250,866 by 2013 and $314,000 by 2014. (In this latter year, Shukla was paid much more than Ed Wegman, a George Mason professor of similar seniority). Meanwhile, despite the apparent transition of IGES to George Mason, the income of the Shuklas from IGES continued to increase, reaching $547,000 by 2013.

Grant records are a real mess but it looks like from George Mason University press releases that IGES and its successor recently got a $10 million five-year grant, or $2 million a year from the government. Of that money:

  • approximately $550,000 a year goes to Shukla and his wife as salaries
  • some amount, perhaps $90,000 a year, goes to Shukla's daughter as salary
  • $171,000 a year goes as salary to James Kinter, an associate of Shukla at George Mason
  • An unknown amount goes for Shukla's expenses, for example travel. When was the last time you ever heard of a climate conference, or any NGO conference, being held at, say, the Dallas-Ft Worth Airport Marriott? No, because these conferences are really meant as paid vacation opportunities as taxpayer expense for non-profit executives.
I don't think it would be too much of a stretch, if one includes travel and personal expenses paid, that half the government grants to this non-profit are going to support the lifestyle of Shukla and his friends and family. Note this is not money for Shukla's research or lab, this is money paid to him personally.

Progressives always like to point out examples of corruption in for-profit companies, and certainly those exist. But there are numerous market and legal checks that bring accountability for such corruption. But nothing of the sort exists in the non-profit world. Not only are there few accountability mechanisms, but most of these non-profits are very good at using their stated good intentions as a shield from scrutiny -- "How can you accuse us of corruption, we are doing such important work!"
I am not making any claims in this thread about the science itself (I have gone round and round about that too many times on here), just pointing out that the narrative of altruistic, aloof, objective scientists vs greedy, jaded, paid-for skeptics is not even remotely accurate...in fact it is often completely the other way around. Remember that the next time you hear these folks talking about how disaster is imminent, and how evil our consumption is and how we should be happy to surrender our freedoms and live on much less...for the good of the planet.
 
Interesting... but again, like Hilary, it doesn't matter to the left what their heroes actually do... all that matters is that they BELIEVE the heroes agree with them philosophically.
 
I'm SHOCKED that these defenders of the world's environment would do so for financial gain!

SHOCKED!!!!

Great to see so much of it is Gov money. Yep...NO conflict of interest at all.
 
Reminds me a lot of Crichton's State of Fear. He pretty much described the warmist profit motive over ten years ago.
 
Well, there is an easy to fix this sort of corruption and you all know what it is. I highly doubt you guys want the government to step in and make MORE rules/laws to curb it though.

This is EXACTLY the type of thing most Republicans / Conservatives are up in arms about when it comes to "government spending". It's not so much social security checks and general welfare, although there certainly is fraud in those programs as well.

How about this idea - why don't BOTH sides go after this clown to shame him into stopping his "foundation" tricks?
 
Well, there is an easy to fix this sort of corruption and you all know what it is. I highly doubt you guys want the government to step in and make MORE rules/laws to curb it though.
This is a problem - everyone believes that MORE rules and laws will change the behavior when all that is really needed is to enforce the laws in place.

Money finds its way into the pockets of many to keep quiet and overlook discrepancies.
 
So the scientists who used govt money to determine that cigarette smoking caused cancer were no better than the cigarette company paid scientists who maintained that it didn't? Are you claiming that the govt pushed for that finding so that it could sieze control of the tobacco industry and everything we think we know about cigarettes is BS?

BTW - Pielke believes that the climate is changing and that man is likely responsible for much of it. So he doesn't get oil money. Pielke's schtick is that it won't be that bad.
 
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So the scientists who used govt money to determine that cigarette smoking caused cancer were no better than the cigarette company paid scientists who maintained that it didn't? Are you claiming that the govt pushed for that finding so that it could sieze control of the tobacco industry and everything we think we know about cigarettes is BS?

BTW - Pielke believes that the climate is changing and that man is likely responsible for much of it. So he doesn't get oil money. Pielke's schtick is that it won't be that bad.

a PRIVATE company can pay anybody they want to do whatever "research" they want, within the law anyway.

perhaps you'd be pissed off about this if "deniers" were getting government grants to pay themselves lavish $800,000 bonuses? I realize this is hard to grasp though.
 
Ahhh...so this is all about one guy who might or might not be gaming the system to make himself a fortune. Which, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with any of the hundreds of other scientists working in the field. Right?

If you want to know how it works for university attached climatologists you could listen to Andrew Dessler:

Texas A&M pays 10 months of my salary to teach. The other two months of my salary are paid out of grants for doing research, but the University sets the amount I receive during those two months equal to the monthly rate that the University pays me the other 10 months. Thus, the vast majority of my salary is completely disconnected with research.

So if Shukla and his family are violating govt regs on grant money, he and they should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Happy?
 
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So the scientists who used govt money to determine that cigarette smoking caused cancer were no better than the cigarette company paid scientists who maintained that it didn't? Are you claiming that the govt pushed for that finding so that it could sieze control of the tobacco industry and everything we think we know about cigarettes is BS?

BTW - Pielke believes that the climate is changing and that man is likely responsible for much of it. So he doesn't get oil money. Pielke's schtick is that it won't be that bad.
Well I believe Chicago, Baltimore, etc are trying to reduce the human element of cause. Good for them.
 
McIntyre should stick to mathematics, because 'investigative journalism' is not his bag.

NUMEROUS places in his 'article', he has key facts incorrect, and 'cannot find' specific grants he alleges were paid by NSF, et al. Those records are generally easily found, provided they exist, because if you get grant money, part of your contract is providing a final report and accounting for what you did with it. Thus, most of what he has written seems fairly-tale-ish to me, because it goes against the fundamental structures of how grants work.

Additionally, he claims that some professors 'double dipped' on grant money; that also goes against every university policy I've ever seen, and the grant framework. If you get grant money for your salary, you do NOT get that money in addition to your university salary; you un-encumber the university money and are paid through the grant, but you still get your same salary. This is true of any faculty or grad student compensation; and most grad student salaries are 100% dependent on the grants, so when they run out, they don't have pay. But anyone who is on faculty is paid either way, but the grant CANNOT alter your income. That is both a grant and university policy.

NSF and other science funding for 'private entities' he alleges doesn't make much sense, because NSF doesn't just hand out bags of money to other entities to subcontract research - you apply directly to NSF for your funding, which requires a study project which meets NSF criteria.

The reason you don't see this in a major paper or anywhere, is that most of it is likely piecemeal or made up; he has no 'fact checking' on his blog and can say anything he wants. If this level of fraud has actually occurred, one would THINK that a major investigative journalist would want to get a Pulitzer for investigating it and uncovering it. There's too much BS and anecdotal information to try to follow all of this, but it simply doesn't add up with the basics of how I know grant processes and faculty funding work.
 
Ahhh...so this is all about one guy who might or might not be gaming the system to make himself a fortune. Which, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with any of the hundreds of other scientists working in the field. Right?

If you want to know how it works for university attached climatologists you could listen to Andrew Dessler:

Texas A&M pays 10 months of my salary to teach. The other two months of my salary are paid out of grants for doing research, but the University sets the amount I receive during those two months equal to the monthly rate that the University pays me the other 10 months. Thus, the vast majority of my salary is completely disconnected with research.

So if Shukla and his family are violating govt regs on grant money, he and they should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Happy?

Correct; key 'facts' on how faculty pay work at virtually ANY academic institution are wildly incorrect in his blog post.
 
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So if Shukla and his family are violating govt regs on grant money, he and they should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Happy?

Yes, how could I not be? That's the whole point of the thread as far as I'm concerned.
 
a PRIVATE company can pay anybody they want to do whatever "research" they want, within the law anyway.

Absolutely correct. The caveat is that when they go to publish their results in a journal, they have an obligation to disclose where their sources of funding came from. Generally, that is some government or charitable organization funding. I had NSF, Whittaker and one other source of funds for work I did in graduate school, and each time, you list with your submitted paper which organization funded your work, and which grant number it was. Additionally, ANY grant organization REQUIRED you to follow up after you used the funds to provide them accounting for what you DID with their money; you generally identify a 'paper in progress' and possible journals you would send it to (because they wanted that followup at the end of your grant duration, before you were ready to submit anything), and then you'd send them the submission details once you'd received an acceptance from a journal. We also send them pre-prints or reprints once the data were published, along with a 'thank you' for the funding.

ALL of that information is generally available, so no idea why Steve M 'cannot find' records of some of this stuff; most likely because many of his 'facts' are just made up crap and there never were any actual 'grants'.

If he's pointing out that some people started private entities, paid themselves a bunch of inflated salaries and then 'gave grants out' from private funds/donations - THAT CRAP HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. Typically, it is fake cancer organizations, with fancy names. But NO area of science/medicine is immune to people who run fake organizations to line their pockets, whilst pretending to 'fund' cancer research or climate science. Does that mean 'cancer' doesn't exist? Does that mean cancer researchers are all frauds? Far from it. It simply means there are unethical people out there who will make a buck off anything they can find people to donate money to. And that seems to be all that McIntyre is actually able to point out here.
 
Joe and tar, I would say you're missing the point, but I think you're both too smart for that. So I must conclude you're intentionally ignoring the point.

Just to clarify matters: The fact a scientist gets money from interests on one or the other side of an issue is not sufficient reason to reject whatever he says.
 
Yes, how could I not be? That's the whole point of the thread as far as I'm concerned.

NSF and other grant agencies are not this 'sloppy' with their money.

A more likely scenario is that Shukla and his buds ran a 'fake research' organization to collect people's cash (like fake cancer research organizations do all the time), and simply lined his pockets. Information on alleged "NSF grants" he may have made was all just a fake smokescreen to get people to give him more money - he never really received any funds (and from what I've read on SMs blog, he 'cannot find' any records of those grants - most likely because Shukla was 'playing people' to give him money on the basis of faked research funds and faked grants.

If they actually DID take any federal or other money and NOT dole it out for the grants they said they were doing, that's clearly a felony, and as this dates back nearly 30 years, I find it rather bewildering that the FBI would not have come knocking on their doors.

But running fake charities is 'the American Way'; it's just harder to do today than in the 1990s, because it's too easy to look things up on the internet now.
 
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Joe and tar, I would say you're missing the point, but I think you're both too smart for that. So I must conclude you're intentionally ignoring the point.

Just to clarify matters: The fact a scientist gets money from interests on one or the other side of an issue is not sufficient reason to reject whatever he says.

It absolutely is, when the 'scientists' do not disclose their funding sources, a la Willie Soon.

I see ZERO facts which support any research or scientists who did not report funding sources in the diarrhea of words that McIntyre has posted. Maybe you can find it and link it.
 
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Joe and tar, I would say you're missing the point, but I think you're both too smart for that. So I must conclude you're intentionally ignoring the point.

Just to clarify matters: The fact a scientist gets money from interests on one or the other side of an issue is not sufficient reason to reject whatever he says.

This would require, of course, that there is a "side" to a govt grant. I know all the conspiracy theorists claim that the govt hands out grants to those it knows will present the findings the govt needs to make a power grab...but a claim without proof is hardly evidence.
 
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Interesting thread. Koch Brothers, who are Big Oil, are the GOP's biggest financiers, yet it is the Dems who are owned. Not sure I'm drunk enough for that to make sense.
 
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McIntyre should stick to mathematics, because 'investigative journalism' is not his bag.

NUMEROUS places in his 'article', he has key facts incorrect, and 'cannot find' specific grants he alleges were paid by NSF, et al. Those records are generally easily found, provided they exist, because if you get grant money, part of your contract is providing a final report and accounting for what you did with it. Thus, most of what he has written seems fairly-tale-ish to me, because it goes against the fundamental structures of how grants work.

Additionally, he claims that some professors 'double dipped' on grant money; that also goes against every university policy I've ever seen, and the grant framework. If you get grant money for your salary, you do NOT get that money in addition to your university salary; you un-encumber the university money and are paid through the grant, but you still get your same salary. This is true of any faculty or grad student compensation; and most grad student salaries are 100% dependent on the grants, so when they run out, they don't have pay. But anyone who is on faculty is paid either way, but the grant CANNOT alter your income. That is both a grant and university policy.

NSF and other science funding for 'private entities' he alleges doesn't make much sense, because NSF doesn't just hand out bags of money to other entities to subcontract research - you apply directly to NSF for your funding, which requires a study project which meets NSF criteria.

The reason you don't see this in a major paper or anywhere, is that most of it is likely piecemeal or made up; he has no 'fact checking' on his blog and can say anything he wants. If this level of fraud has actually occurred, one would THINK that a major investigative journalist would want to get a Pulitzer for investigating it and uncovering it. There's too much BS and anecdotal information to try to follow all of this, but it simply doesn't add up with the basics of how I know grant processes and faculty funding work.
I bet he wiped his server.
 
This would require, of course, that there is a "side" to a govt grant. I know all the conspiracy theorists claim that the govt hands out grants to those it knows will present the findings the govt needs to make a power grab...but a claim without proof is hardly evidence.

And let's be serious....there are HUNDREDS of universities OUTside the USA, where faculty and researchers perform the same types of basic investigation, free of any US influence.

To assert 'the US government is behind this to get the answers they want' is truly mind-numbingly stupid. 'Buying off' the entire scientific establishment, covering dozens of fields of study which contribute to climate science, would certainly be a feat of fraud beyond the capability of anyone, regardless of funding levels.

I still cannot follow McIntyre's point in his whole rant...he seems to be trying to tie together 2 or 3 'conspiracy theories' all at once, succeeding on none.
 
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