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Well you would know better than I would, him being an east coaster, I was just going off of HS resumes of the two. Wilcke was a 2x Iowa State champ with not really any big national results that I can recall. I don't think he placed at Fargo or anything. Which is different styles, but still. Falbo is a 2x Fargo AA, and I'm not sure of his state tournament results. Wilcke does have some decent collegiate results so far.. 13-3 RS year, and an 8th place finish at University FS nationals. One thing I'm a bit concerned of is his ability to make 184 in 2 years time. Morningstar said in an interview recently that Wilcke is big and that 184 will be a tough cut for him but manageable. I'm not sure if more time will exacerbate the difficulty of the cut or make it easier, but usually it tends to be the former. I'd say they are about equal in terms of recruiting 'tiers' in regards to when they come out of high school. I can't recall what wilcke was ranked at his weight but I think it was something like 8-15 range. Similar to Falbo. But its all just speculation until they're in the room anyways.

Wilcke was a University Freestyle AA in May (8th), was third at Folk Nationals and didn't place at Fargo as a senior, but that was up at 195 for whatever that is worth. Wilcke was also a 6th place freestyle Junior AA following his junior year of HS.
 
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Wilcke was a University Freestyle AA in May (8th), was third at Folk Nationals and didn't place at Fargo as a senior, but that was up at 195 for whatever that is worth. Wilcke was also a 6th place freestyle Junior AA following his junior year of HS.
Thanks for refreshing my memory, I had forgotten about his 6th place finish, he lost to teammate Mitch Bowman in that 5th place match.
 
I think Romero will be a 165 as a true FR, then 174 afterwards to replace BoJo. They will still have Martin at 184, who still has a redshirt available (which he may or may not use prior to his SR season, after NaTo, BoJo, and Snyder graduate next season). But your point still stands.

Either Warner is 184, and sits behind Martin for one year before starting (or forces Martin to the bench for his SR year). Or Warner goes 197 and either sits behind Moore for 2 years, or forces Moore to sit the bench for his JR and SR seasons.
Warner will be better then Moore. His RS year was nothing to brag about and he wouldn't have made the world team if Cassar didn't get hurt. Moore lost to Holloway 6-1 last time they wrestled. Moore is a good wrestler, just alittle overrated IMO.
 
Warner will be better then Moore. His RS year was nothing to brag about and he wouldn't have made the world team if Cassar didn't get hurt. Moore lost to Holloway 6-1 last time they wrestled. Moore is a good wrestler, just alittle overrated IMO.
I agree, I think Warner has the talent to be top 3 at 197 right away. Its not a very strong weight class currently, and there haven't been very many stud, top 10 p4p recruits recently in that range (Other than Snyder and Lance Benick, but Snyder is now at Hwt, and Benick doesn't appear to be on a roster anymore). Warner would be a huge get for Iowa, he could own that weight class for years.
 
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I think Romero will be a 165 as a true FR, then 174 afterwards to replace BoJo. They will still have Martin at 184, who still has a redshirt available (which he may or may not use prior to his SR season, after NaTo, BoJo, and Snyder graduate next season). But your point still stands.

Either Warner is 184, and sits behind Martin for one year before starting (or forces Martin to the bench for his SR year). Or Warner goes 197 and either sits behind Moore for 2 years, or forces Moore to sit the bench for his JR and SR seasons.
Romero wouldn't be needed at 165 if White ends up there. Great teams have depth that's what wins at a high level you can feel snubbed if you want but understand that's the game in college. I believe Warner has a higher stock than Moore tbh so I doubt he'd sit behind him.
 
Romero wouldn't be needed at 165 if White ends up there. Great teams have depth that's what wins at a high level you can feel snubbed if you want but understand that's the game in college. I believe Warner has a higher stock than Moore tbh so I doubt he'd sit behind him.
I don't actually think Warner would ever sit behind Moore, I was just putting out the possibilities of who may be benched if Warner went to tOSU.

Also: how likely is it that White eventually makes it to tOSU? And what does the time frame look like if that is a likely scenario? If that is the case I think Romero would redshirt and then fill in 174 for four years after BoJo graduates.
 
I don't actually think Warner would ever sit behind Moore, I was just putting out the possibilities of who may be benched if Warner went to tOSU.

Also: how likely is it that White eventually makes it to tOSU? And what does the time frame look like if that is a likely scenario? If that is the case I think Romero would redshirt and then fill in 174 for four years after BoJo graduates.
That was info I got from PBS I believe he is only supposed to be at notre dame for 1 year. As for the likely hood, it's a faith based thing. I don't know the young man personally I'm just hoping he can make the grades to get in because he is a talent.
 
I don't actually think Warner would ever sit behind Moore, I was just putting out the possibilities of who may be benched if Warner went to tOSU.

Also: how likely is it that White eventually makes it to tOSU? And what does the time frame look like if that is a likely scenario? If that is the case I think Romero would redshirt and then fill in 174 for four years after BoJo graduates.
OSU is probably the only school in the Big Ten that he has a chance at qualifying for.
 
Is it easier to make grades at Notre Dame than highschool?
 
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OSU is probably the only school in the Big Ten that he has a chance at qualifying for.
You might want to do your research before making that statement. Numbers are from CollegeApps website. Based on the numbers below, IA would've been easier to get accepted too.

IA
  • ACT Composite: 23 / 28
  • ACT English: 22 / 28
  • ACT Math: 22 / 28
  • SAT Critical Reading: 460 / 620
  • SAT Math: 540 / 700
  • SAT Writing: - / -
PSU
  • ACT Composite: 25 / 29
  • ACT English: 24 / 30
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 530 / 620
  • SAT Math: 560 / 670
  • SAT Writing: 540 / 640
MN
  • ACT Composite: 26 / 30
  • ACT English: 24 / 31
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 560 / 690
  • SAT Math: 620 / 750
  • SAT Writing: 570 / 680
tOSU
  • ACT Composite: 27 / 31
  • ACT English: 26 / 32
  • ACT Math: 26 / 31
  • SAT Critical Reading: 540 / 660
  • SAT Math: 620 / 730
  • SAT Writing: 560 / 660
 
You might want to do your research before making that statement. Numbers are from CollegeApps website. Based on the numbers below, IA would've been easier to get accepted too.

IA
  • ACT Composite: 23 / 28
  • ACT English: 22 / 28
  • ACT Math: 22 / 28
  • SAT Critical Reading: 460 / 620
  • SAT Math: 540 / 700
  • SAT Writing: - / -
PSU
  • ACT Composite: 25 / 29
  • ACT English: 24 / 30
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 530 / 620
  • SAT Math: 560 / 670
  • SAT Writing: 540 / 640
MN
  • ACT Composite: 26 / 30
  • ACT English: 24 / 31
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 560 / 690
  • SAT Math: 620 / 750
  • SAT Writing: 570 / 680
tOSU
  • ACT Composite: 27 / 31
  • ACT English: 26 / 32
  • ACT Math: 26 / 31
  • SAT Critical Reading: 540 / 660
  • SAT Math: 620 / 730
  • SAT Writing: 560 / 660
Those numbers look like ranges of scores of students admitted, for the whole student body. Not all that relevant to the exceptions the schools make or don't make to get athletes admitted. All schools make such exceptions; the question is how far each school will go to get an athlete eligible.

I'm not saying it's necessarily easier for an athlete to qualify at tOSU than other schools, but I don't think these overall numbers do much, if anything, to prove that it's not.
 
You might want to do your research before making that statement. Numbers are from CollegeApps website. Based on the numbers below, IA would've been easier to get accepted too.

IA
  • ACT Composite: 23 / 28
  • ACT English: 22 / 28
  • ACT Math: 22 / 28
  • SAT Critical Reading: 460 / 620
  • SAT Math: 540 / 700
  • SAT Writing: - / -
PSU
  • ACT Composite: 25 / 29
  • ACT English: 24 / 30
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 530 / 620
  • SAT Math: 560 / 670
  • SAT Writing: 540 / 640
MN
  • ACT Composite: 26 / 30
  • ACT English: 24 / 31
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 560 / 690
  • SAT Math: 620 / 750
  • SAT Writing: 570 / 680
tOSU
  • ACT Composite: 27 / 31
  • ACT English: 26 / 32
  • ACT Math: 26 / 31
  • SAT Critical Reading: 540 / 660
  • SAT Math: 620 / 730
  • SAT Writing: 560 / 660
Those numbers look like ranges of scores of students admitted, for the whole student body. Not all that relevant to the exceptions the schools make or don't make to get athletes admitted. All schools make such exceptions; the question is how far each school will go to get an athlete eligible.

I'm not saying it's necessarily easier for an athlete to qualify at tOSU than other schools, but I don't think these overall numbers do much, if anything, to prove that it's not.
 
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You might want to do your research before making that statement. Numbers are from CollegeApps website. Based on the numbers below, IA would've been easier to get accepted too.

IA
  • ACT Composite: 23 / 28
  • ACT English: 22 / 28
  • ACT Math: 22 / 28
  • SAT Critical Reading: 460 / 620
  • SAT Math: 540 / 700
  • SAT Writing: - / -
PSU
  • ACT Composite: 25 / 29
  • ACT English: 24 / 30
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 530 / 620
  • SAT Math: 560 / 670
  • SAT Writing: 540 / 640
MN
  • ACT Composite: 26 / 30
  • ACT English: 24 / 31
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 560 / 690
  • SAT Math: 620 / 750
  • SAT Writing: 570 / 680
tOSU
  • ACT Composite: 27 / 31
  • ACT English: 26 / 32
  • ACT Math: 26 / 31
  • SAT Critical Reading: 540 / 660
  • SAT Math: 620 / 730
  • SAT Writing: 560 / 660


Athletes aren't held to the same standards as Joe Student. These numbers are irrelevant.
 
The numbers aren't irrelevant, the numbers are ranges and based on a 25/75 percentile. Do some athletes get special consideration, sure but not as much as back in the day. There have been several studs that are in lower division colleges because no matter how much a coach wants that athlete, they couldn't get them through the admission office. There are athletes who's attending their 2nd or 3rd choices because of their scores.

Obviously admissions wouldn't allow White into tOSU or Pixley into IL and so on. Schools like tOSU, PSU and etc aren't going to enroll an athlete with a 17 ACT just because he excels on the mat. If that same athlete can get a 20-21, that might be something they can work with. I'm not naive enough to think that student athlete consideration doesn't happen but I'm also not going to dismiss numbers because it doesn't benefit my stance in a conversation.
 
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Without any quantifiable data on the athletes being accepted when they are below the 25th percentile, then it is hard to make a claim either way for which school is supposedly harder or easier to get in. I have to imagine that other variables play a role as well, such as GPA, community service, extracurricular participation in school, the sport the athlete is being recruited for, level or 'tier' of recruit, prominence of said sport at the particular university (i.e. Football at Alabama, Basketball at Kentucky), as well as how much pull the head coach has with admissions. Other factors come into play as well, depending on the year, the admission standards may be a bit higher or lower depending on a lot of things, such as the number of applicants, size of current student population, as well as the average scores and GPA for each class. AKA some years the admissions standards may be slightly up or down.
 
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Without any quantifiable data on the athletes being accepted when they are below the 25th percentile, then it is hard to make a claim either way for which school is supposedly harder or easier to get in. I have to imagine that other variables play a role as well, such as GPA, community service, extracurricular participation in school, the sport the athlete is being recruited for, level or 'tier' of recruit, prominence of said sport at the particular university (i.e. Football at Alabama, Basketball at Kentucky), as well as how much pull the head coach has with admissions. Other factors come into play as well, depending on the year, the admission standards may be a bit higher or lower depending on a lot of things, such as the number of applicants, size of current student population, as well as the average scores and GPA for each class. AKA some years the admissions standards may be slightly up or down.

Sometimes ya got to cut through the fog, take a chance, and just say it: tOSU and Kentucky cheat.
 
I have seen Falbo wrestle in person a few times. I guess he could be a 184 in college, but his frame seems to be more well suited for 174. He has a very quick initial burst, but not terribly athletic. Competition he wrestles during the year is very weak. I would think at Iowa he is not getting much in the way of money. Not that I know, but I wouldn't doubt he is a very good student from where he comes from - maybe he qualifies for some academic aid. That is purely speculation on my part.

I wouldn't write off Wilcke just because Falbo is making a visit. I don't think he is the type of recruit that is going to come in right off the bat and make an impact at those weights. He's got some tools, but more likely a project at the top schools.

To add to my speculation, TOM has Falbo committed to Army at this time so odds are he is an excellent student. IMO these are great recruits to get that may not be top 10 or top 25 ranked wrestlers of their class. Sometimes they can get academic aid and in general shows the type of character and work ethic that predicts relative success in college wrestling. Great kids to add after you add a "superstar" or two.
 
You might want to do your research before making that statement. Numbers are from CollegeApps website. Based on the numbers below, IA would've been easier to get accepted too.

IA
  • ACT Composite: 23 / 28
  • ACT English: 22 / 28
  • ACT Math: 22 / 28
  • SAT Critical Reading: 460 / 620
  • SAT Math: 540 / 700
  • SAT Writing: - / -
PSU
  • ACT Composite: 25 / 29
  • ACT English: 24 / 30
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 530 / 620
  • SAT Math: 560 / 670
  • SAT Writing: 540 / 640
MN
  • ACT Composite: 26 / 30
  • ACT English: 24 / 31
  • ACT Math: 25 / 30
  • SAT Critical Reading: 560 / 690
  • SAT Math: 620 / 750
  • SAT Writing: 570 / 680
tOSU
  • ACT Composite: 27 / 31
  • ACT English: 26 / 32
  • ACT Math: 26 / 31
  • SAT Critical Reading: 540 / 660
  • SAT Math: 620 / 730
  • SAT Writing: 560 / 660
What you posted is about as relevant as what type of tp Brands uses. OSU is the dirtiest program in the conference. Only Penn State rivals them and that is only due to their handling of the Sandusky case. OSU is the school most likely to give athletes a "chance".
 
That Colorado kid is tough. He had a pretty one sided win over Coleman at Fargo.

Colorado is on the rise big time. They have a ton of cadet and younger guys that are tougher than nails and placing high at national tournaments. It would be great to get our foot in the door there.

I believe there are a couple different clubs in Colorado run by x training center guys. I thought I heard TC Dantzler. Anyone from out that way shine some light on this?
I live in Colorado and agree that some of the wrestling programs and potential recruits are getting better, however; it is extremely top heavy and there is a lot of god awful wrestling across the state....I have to remember I am coming from one of the best wrestling states in the country, but overall Colorado does not produce many D1 athletes in any sports, especially for its population.
 
I live in Colorado and agree that some of the wrestling programs and potential recruits are getting better, however; it is extremely top heavy and there is a lot of god awful wrestling across the state....I have to remember I am coming from one of the best wrestling states in the country, but overall Colorado does not produce many D1 athletes in any sports, especially for its population.
Too many herb heads reproducing?:D
 
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Love it. God gives us brains and God gives us strong bodies, but usually not both.
I was born rich, drop dead good looking, 187 IQ and super athletic and the women called me the hose. Now I'm broke, ugly as hell, 78lbs weakling, dumber than dirt and the women call me peanut. You really don't know what you have till it's gone.
 
could one of you guys at practice set up a stream so I can see.
Done deal. You're welcome..........

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I was born rich, drop dead good looking, 187 IQ and super athletic and the women called me the hose. Now I'm broke, ugly as hell, 78lbs weakling, dumber than dirt and the women call me peanut. You really don't know what you have till it's gone.

Me too. Only my women refers to me as Chumley.
 
Dear 6 pound 9 ounce Jesus, lying in ur little manger I would like to thank you for giving us Iowa Hawkeye Wrestling! I would also like to ask that you dealer a commitment from Warner and Berge today. Help them on there path to seeing the light and heaven that is Iowa Wrestling!

Amen

P.S. My the Cubs bats be mighty and there Balls plentiful. Amen.
 
Dear 6 pound 9 ounce Jesus, lying in ur little manger I would like to thank you for giving us Iowa Hawkeye Wrestling! I would also like to ask that you dealer a commitment from Warner and Berge today. Help them on there path to seeing the light and heaven that is Iowa Wrestling!

Amen

P.S. My the Cubs bats be mighty and there Balls plentiful. Amen.
"He was a grown man! He had a beard!"

"Shut up Chip"

One of the all-time funniest scenes
 
Can anyone put names to it? I recognize Lee, the HWT from Epworth, Esmoil from WL(?) and who I can only guess is Sammy Brooks' younger bro on the far left. ;-)

Murin is two left of Lee. Berge is right ofLee. Warner is to the left of Costello (Epworth HWT)
 
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Photo on Aaron Costello's twitter with his parents. His mom's sporting a Hawkeye pullover. The caption under the photo read, "I'll be back." Fairly confident he's coming over to the Hawks.

On a less positive note. I was looking at Berge's twitter account and noticed he follows Tom Ryan and has a picture of the Buckeyes winning their national title. He also follows Jacob Warner. I hope I'm just being paranoid. Really would love both of those boys to be Hawks. Hawkeye nation would go ape sh#t over these two.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
 
Yo Todd what's the lowdown (your Opinion) on Mr Warner? Big smiles all around the photo. +1
Thanks TC
 
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