Not sure how they can say they look at strength of schedule, common opponents, How man above .500 teams a team has beat and so on and have these rankings. They all contradict one another in some form with these rankings. All of those things are just a big curtain so they can pick who they want and be subjective and then justify by saying ___________ (fill in the blank). The entire system is just way to flawed even if they follow their same system they used yesterday and the end results dont' produce what they want they can bump a team out and replace them with any 1 loss team. I would say college football would be better off with the BSC system picking the four teams but I think that system would have left out Ohio St last year. This current system however could leave an undeafeted B1G champ Iowa out and replace them with a 1 loss SEC or PAC team just because they pass the eye test in their opinion.
The Selection Process is Just One Big Contradiction
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I'll add for anybody that missed Long talking about why they picked the way they did last night. When Iowa came up he stated that they have a lot of questions about our offense and they feel it isnt consistent right now. He must have been refering to the 2nd half against Maryland. I guess all the more reason to put up as many points as possible this weekend and not let up in the 2nd half. It sounds like if they don't like what they see from our O we might want to get used to seeing 1 loss teams and maybe even a 2 loss team ranked ahead of us. I think this will be key if both us and MSU end up with 1 loss when deciding who goes to the Rose Bowl.
Just remember..tons of football to be played.
MSU and Iowa re in same boat. Go 13-0 and we are in. Lose, and we are VERY likely out. Its that simple.
MSU and Iowa re in same boat. Go 13-0 and we are in. Lose, and we are VERY likely out. Its that simple.
Doesn't the committee value conference championships?
Has anyone won a conference championship yet?
Has anyone won a conference championship yet?
I want to agree. It seems any explanation can contradicted. I will say this Iowa is new to the party and we have prove up
College football is nothing more than figure skating at this point
I think 9th is about right & I also have questions about our offense going forward. The foremost one being CJ's health. We are playing on the edge of a very slippery slope right now.....
I haven't seen many people complaining about being ranked 9th. What I have seen is "how" the Hawks got to 9th.
The reasoning behind it, and "how" other teams (i.e.. Alabama, Notre Dame) got to their rankings, seems to be the issue.
The reasoning behind it, and "how" other teams (i.e.. Alabama, Notre Dame) got to their rankings, seems to be the issue.
Why does anyone care where we are ranked right now? Win em all and beat the Buckeyes and see what happens. Anyone who thinks we are as good as LSU, Alabama or Ohio St right now is crazy. 9 is about right. Ohio St was 16 after the first rankings last year and made it in and won it all. Rankings mean nothing right now. A Big Ten schedule that doesn't include, OSU, MSU, Michigan or Penn St is going to count against a team as it should. Pair that with Nebraska being awful.
I would think there are more questions about the defense than about the offense. Saw ratings recently that showed ISU is the best offense the Hawks have faced, by a considerable margin (that will change with Indiana).
Curious as to which of the 8 teams ranked ahead of Iowa, that some of you can say, "oh yeah, Iowa could definitely beat them!" And the Big Ten had 3 teams in the top 9. How is that Big Ten bashing? Just curious.
Why is michigan relevant whaat have they won recently. We have owned penn state the last few years. You sound like a comittee member. What's our record against Michigan state the last 5 yrs. We can beat any team in the country. Yes our offense has been a little suspect but it's coming around. Out defense is as good as any body in the country. The comittee should be transparent and let people listen to their reasoning not participate but at least listen. I would take Wisconsin over pen state, Michigan and Michigan state.
They aren't putting an undefeated Big Ten champion behind 1 loss teams, they have Ohio St. in the top 4. Ohio St will be in the top four until they are beaten. If Iowa is undefeated and beats them in the championship game they will be in the top four. Just like if Michigan State beats them then wins the championship game they will be in the top four.
Back away from the ledge, the rankings are irrelevant at this point.
Back away from the ledge, the rankings are irrelevant at this point.
I think 9th is about right for now. We need to prove to them we deserve it the rest of the season.
What I do have a problem with is Notre Dame at #5. How can you say that "every week is a playoff," when they already had a shot at #1 and lost?
What I do have a problem with is Notre Dame at #5. How can you say that "every week is a playoff," when they already had a shot at #1 and lost?
Unless of course Florida would beat LSU in a very close SEC title game, Clemson and an big 12 team go undefeated, and we win the big ten over a one loss east team in a low scoring game, then yes we could end up behind a 1 loss LSU ahead of us saying the Florida and LSU have split 2 very close games and play in the mighty SEC and that Iowa beat no one who was at that level. So yes 1 loss teams could get in over us, is it likely not really but it's not a sure thing that us going unbeaten would put us in over the almighty SEC.
I will be surprised if the Big XII has any unbeaten teams at the end of the season, even barring major upsets. Among the games remaining for the unbeatens in the final month:
Okie State -- TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma
TCU -- At Okie State, at Oklahoma, Baylor
Baylor -- Oklahoma, at Okie State, at TCU.
If you look at PPG Wisconsin is rated ahead of ISU and we held them to 6 points at their place. I think you also have to take into consideration when you're saying "best offense" you are basing it on pure statistics, and the fact that ISU plays in a conference that doesn't necessarily put emphasis on strong defenses might skew things a bit.
The selection process is flawed but its better then what they had. The problem is in their explanations because they will say one thing for one team and then another thing for another team. The rankings will look a lot different though even after this weekend.
I'm tired of people saying Iowa can't beat anyone in the top 10. Our own fans are saying it. Guys have you watched Iowa football under Kirk? How many times have we gotten blown out? It doesn't happen very much with kirks system and philosophy. We can play with anyone in the top 10 and make it a competitive game, and under the format in a one game situation, we can beat any of them. We play SEC style football which is why I'm surprised at all the nation's vitriol towards Iowa. We play physical football based in stout defense and running the ball. The style that championship teams like Alabama and LSU play. It's a rarity that a spread team wins the title. The no defense big xii will get beat around by the defense heavy sec and big ten teams. Stanford is the only Pac xii team built to compete. We're in great shape right now playing the kind of football you have to to be a championship team. And personally, I think we match up really well with either Ohio state or Michigan state if we get to that point.
But to say we can't beat the top 10 teams is completely unfair to our kids and simply not true.
But to say we can't beat the top 10 teams is completely unfair to our kids and simply not true.
Did the committee get the top 4 right at the end of the season last year? This is the second year of it. I think they are one for one. How is the system flawed?
I think anyone can pick it apart here and there. Let's face it, when you put this together 5 weeks before the games end it is meant to be a starting point and be fluid. Last year Ohio State was 16th in the first release. So much football to be played. I do like having a committee more so than a computer program or a bunch of faceless names voting. Should it be more than 4 teams? Probably going that way. For now it is better than what we had so I feel it is going the right direction. The biggest problem I see is the ever increasing influence by ESPN and their ever increasing driving of their agenda.
I am not concern about the rankings at this point. However, if and it is a huge IF (as I think Indiana beats Iowa) Iowa were to go undefeated and win the B1G championship. The "their offense isn't electric" enough to be in the playoff argument holds no weight. Seems like an excuse more than a valid reason...
I read all these posts and one thing sticks in my mind. Getting past OSU. Sure Iowa could win. That's about where my optimism stops. Anyone who has watched both teams all year and still thinks Iowa would win, well God love ya! I myself cannot see it. Don't mean to be a downer but it would take more than Iowa playing lights out to beat the Buckeyes. Best hope for MSU beating them first.
There are 4 spots in the playoff with 5 power conferences. That is an inherent mathematical problem. There will always be controversy with this system. Also, you might as well add Notre Dame as a conference since they are able to pick and choose whether they are an "independent" or a "conference member" depending on which sport they are playing.
The existing system could potentially leave 2 (or more) of the Power 5 conferences out of the playoff.
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Win out and you're in
If I hear this one more time, I think I am going to puke. Or actually the phrase win out. Oh sure, that applies to Iowa, Oklahoma St., TCU & Baylor last year but it never applies to the Alabama, Ohio St., USC's of the world. Its why towards the end of the year when all this b.s. starts I want to start watching NFL football more.
That is what's so asinine to me about the current system and the lack of vision. PLAYOFFS ARE SO FREAKING FUN. March Madness, NFL playoffs, NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs, MLB playoffs etc. etc. etc. Even casual or non fans tune into playoffs of every sport because the intensity is ridiculous.
The only reason that college football doesn't have a legit playoff system is because the blue bloods want to keep a stranglehold on the money they get from media bias and working the system. It goes completely against the spirit of sport and pisses me off.
Most of this debate would cease immediately if D1 simply went to a straight 16 team playoff. It is fundamentally corrupt to use partially arbitrary criteria to select only four teams for a playoff, when in any given year there are at least a dozen teams who might arguably be the best. There should be objective criteria established for selection and also enough slots added to reasonably assure that the best team is in the playoff and has a shot at the title. This is simple, and I agree with the other posters who suggested the reason it has not been done is money and corruption.
