If the Hawks want to win a team NCAA title this year they need to go with Kemerer at 141. This weight is wide open and Kemerer could win it as a true freshmen, definitely a high AA. He destroyed Martinez last weekend who was a round of 12 guy last year and a Southern Scuffle runner up losing a close one to Mayes of Mizzou. T&T needs to pull Kemerer’s RS and go with him at 141. Kemerer would at least major Grothus, Ryan, and Carton.
The state of 141 for the Hawks?
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You may be right, but we need to wait and see how Grothus comes along. If he gets healthy and makes the weight and looks good, I'd much rather wrestle a senior than a true freshman. Unfortunately we may not know a lot about Grothus until Jan--or even Feb if he needs time to adjust and settle. But it's pretty clear that the current starter is not getting the job done.
Kemerer looks fairly tall (5'9) - and I realize that Grothus is 5'10...how realistic would it be for Kemerer to drop down to 141? Is he a light 149er?
Iowa also needs 157 and 165 to wrestle with some smarts. Hope we can chalk up these stupid mistakes to it being early in the season. But I guess we all knew these were the weak spots in this lineup.
We have 3 weights where we are basically not competitive at. That will be difficult if not impossible to overcome at tournament time. Hopefully Grothus solves one of the weights. I don't have a lot of hope for the other two at this point.
I'm not saying it's the answer but if it's a true possibility I would also like to see Kem be at 141 for Midlands. I have no idea if he can make it but if it's a possibility that'd be the time to do it. Does anyone have a link to the teams that will be at Midlands this year?
I love it how he's just a 141 pounder because you've decided he's a 141 pounder. To think it is just that easy is incredibly short sighted.
I doubt he would major Grothus. At last count, Grothus was not far behind Sorensen and Kemerer isn't beating Sorensen.
I wouldn't be so sure Kemerer couldn't beat Sorensen. I assure you Kemerer vs Sorensen would be a very competitive close match.
I would agree that we should expect about 0 points from 157 and 165.
Hoping that Stoll will develop/commit and finish that snatch single from his Greco setups and be quite good by the end of the year. Maybe borderline AA or AA if things go really well.
Personally, I think those 3 weights have very little to do with our championship hopes and won't ruin our chances even if they score 0. At most, they bring us a few points.
141 will get us 0 unless Brody is able to be effective. If Brody gets down and is effective, could bring us a quite a few points.
I think our chances of a championship ride on the shoulders of the other 6 (and possibly Brody). They need to be wrestling really well with a bunch wrestling on Saturday night if we are to have a chance.
no more vine steins for you my friend.
It was only four years ago when Burak lost to a D3 opponent at the IC duals, and he was able to recover and make R12 that year at nationals. These young guys can show significant improvement in just a few months in the lineup.
Lol. Fandom.
Talking about a true freshman winning a NC based on his win over a guy that never AA'd. Achieving this ironically by dropping down a weight because he would at least major the last guy that was supposed to be dropping down a weight to win it all or at least AA. Added irony is that after almost 2 years of HR requests, Grothus has finally obliged and this past week was reported to be within range of making the requested weight. At least Grothus had the wins over the the guys on the upper half of the podium to give some credence to the NC and AA predictions. In the span of a little more than a week Kemerer went from "chasing Sorensen up to 157" then having more trouble than expected and "needs that redshirt year" back to "chasing Sorensen up to 157" and now "if the Hawks want to win a team NCAA title this year they need to go with Kemerer at 141".
Can'twait for next week.
Lol. Fandom.
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I think between 125, 133, 149, 174, 197, that it is not too much of a stretch to put us in for 75 points.
I think we need to come up with another 35+ from 141,157,165,184 & HWT to give us a chance. I don't think it is crazy if Grothus is healthy and wrestling well that we could get that from Grothus & Brooks alone. Would be nice to get at least a handful from the others.
I think we need a couple finalist and a champ to win. I think we have guys at 125,133,141(Grothus*),174,184 & 197 that can make make it to the finals and or win it.
I think we need to come up with another 35+ from 141,157,165,184 & HWT to give us a chance. I don't think it is crazy if Grothus is healthy and wrestling well that we could get that from Grothus & Brooks alone. Would be nice to get at least a handful from the others.
I think we need a couple finalist and a champ to win. I think we have guys at 125,133,141(Grothus*),174,184 & 197 that can make make it to the finals and or win it.
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Grothus would have 30 minutes of riding time on Kemdog. I don't know who would win the match but if it were a major it would be the other way around. Coop handled Kem last time they matched up and Coop isn't at Brody's imo.
I think you got that about right Papa. So what was your point you we're trying to make?
I may take some heat for this...
Buuuuuuuuut, maybe T&T should give Andrew Long a call... ;-)
Or while we're on the topic of second chances, I'd love to see Gross give it another try.
Buuuuuuuuut, maybe T&T should give Andrew Long a call... ;-)
Or while we're on the topic of second chances, I'd love to see Gross give it another try.
Tough to tell who's being serious these days but for the record, Andrew Long was out of D1 eligibility 3 years ago and Gross is already at another D1.
Then coop must really be struggling because BG isn't a great wrestler. A great kid. Yes. The type of wrestler Iowa needs to be successful. No.
Grothus will go down as the most talked about /loved wrestler from Iowa in the last 10 years (that includes Metcalf) that hasn't AA or done anything the only time he's been to the big show (2014) on HR! I'm really trying to understand, please help me? I'm just a dumb country boy, hoping Jordan Rogers will wake up one morning and figure it all out and be are next NC at 184. Should I give up on my hopes or keep hanging on like you all do? Sincerely Hopeless
Kinda like Collica. Guess after the beating Sorenson put on him that 149 isn't his weight either. Maybe they need a weight in between 149 and 157. That is where he would be unstoppable.
From 2013-2014. We only remember the wins.
#8 David Habat (Edinboro) W‐Pin 1:38
#2 Jason Tsirtsis (Northwestern) W‐D 3‐2
#3 Josh Kindig (Oklahoma State) W‐D 9‐5
#7 Eric Grajales (Michigan) W‐D 17‐14 (TB1)
Remind me, was Kindig good?
...and if I remember right, those four gentlemen finished NCAAs like this:
1. Tsirtsis
2. Kindig
3. Grajales
4. Habat
And that is why we need to wait and see Brody at 141 before we pull any shirts.
Unless Turk can AA it doesn't make sense to pull his shirt regardless of what happens with Brody. Doing so would only have potential impact in duals and wouldn't benefit the Hawks toward a team NC. I don't think Turk is at that level yet and therefore I don't think Brands will put him on the mat.
Wasn't it like a week ago that Turk underperformed at a tourney (event though he beat Seth Gross) and we were calling him "overhyped"? Now he's so good, we're ready to pull the shirt off him, cause he's a surefire AA. I love Turk and what he brings, he's got fantastic upside and he's going to get better, but there's a reason Brands doesn't pull guys redshirts. Guys tend to have better results when they can wrestle unattached and develop for a year. He'll be that much better next year and we'll have him for 3 more years after that. We've gotta hope that Brody performs at the weight and if he can't then Ryan's going to be our guy for a year. It is what it is at this point.
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I think it's fairly obvious to everyone (including you, MT, despite your snark) that folks would not be so high on Grothus if we had Logan Stieber in the lineup at 141 with another 4 years of eligibility. We are high on Grothus as a potential alternative to our current starter at 141, who is unlikely to score more than a point at NCAAs. The scope of adoration for Grothus is therefore limited to one specific opportunity in one particular year at one particular weight. The confidence that folks have in Grothus to score 15+ points at NCAAs is far less than they have in Gilman or Clark or Sorensen to do the same at their respective weights. And no one is comparing him to Lincoln Mac or Tom Brands or Barry Davis. The nature of problem solving is to identify the problem, identify the potential available solutions, and draw some conclusions about the subsequent outcomes of each solution. Every time I do the math, Grothus looks like a better alternative than the scenario without him. Period.
Thank you Tarp, well done, was hoping more of the stfu Mike from some of you. Now, does this apply to Jordan Rogers, he has won a few frosh/soph tournaments?
No.......doesn't apply to Jordan Rodgers! He wrestles in Halloween Clown Colors. Doesn't work for him.Thank you Tarp, well done, was hoping more of the stfu Mike from some of you. Now, does this apply to Jordan Rogers, he has won a few frosh/soph tournaments?
Thank you, now I feel all is well in Hawk Nation, I can sleep well tonight!
Throwing this out for discussion:
Odds that Grothus makes 141 and wrestles at least one match: 75%
Odds that Grothus wrestles B1Gs @141 and qualifies for NCAAs: 50%
Odds that Grothus wins at least one match at NCAAs: 40%
Odds that Grothus places top 8 at NCAAs: 25%
Odds that Grothus makes the finals at NCAAs: 10%
Odds that Grothus is the champ @141: 5%
Odds that Grothus makes 141 and wrestles at least one match: 75%
Odds that Grothus wrestles B1Gs @141 and qualifies for NCAAs: 50%
Odds that Grothus wins at least one match at NCAAs: 40%
Odds that Grothus places top 8 at NCAAs: 25%
Odds that Grothus makes the finals at NCAAs: 10%
Odds that Grothus is the champ @141: 5%
