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How ridiculous is this? Chairman of the oversight committee Chaffetz used this today in the Planned Parenthood hearing. I was streaming this on cspan and I couldn't make out the numbers, it just looked like PP performed more abortions then cancer screenings now.

Here is the clip:


Here is a more accurate graph from this article:
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It seems like Chaffetz is lying too. He says he pulled these numbers right from PP corp reports but he is just using a graph from some anti-abortion group.
 
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They only killed 327,000 babies in 2013? They be slackin'!

That's nothing compared to the number at hospitals, who receive federal funding, but no one wants to talk about that elephant in the operating room. Hell, we had a catholic hospital offer their abortion services after an abnormal ultrasound on our now 15 year old.
 
On the misleading scale, the first graph is a 10, but I'd also give the second graph a 2. Each of those things has nothing to do with the other.
 
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After he presents that misleading (that's understating it) graph, in a hearing sparked by misleading videos, and presents it as "his own", and she calls him out on it, shouldn't the adults in the room have stood up and said "enough"?

The GOP has gotten what it deserves with the religious right. A bunch of people who can't think for themselves. Congrats on the voting base. May it lead you to extinction (and may you lead them to extinction). Maybe then we can get a viable alternative to the Democrats.
 
So Jackie how many babies are we talkin' every year that are killed in the U.S.? Just curious as I do not know.
 
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How ridiculous is this? Chairman of the oversight committee Chaffetz used this today in the Planned Parenthood hearing. I was streaming this on cspan and I couldn't make out the numbers, it just looked like PP performed more abortions then cancer screenings now.

Here is the clip:


Here is a more accurate graph from this article:
abortion-chart-Fpo1.0.jpg

It seems like Chaffetz is lying too. He says he pulled these numbers right from PP corp reports but he is just using a graph from some anti-abortion group.

Huh, yeah, that top one looks like wunna them there right wing charts. They're sly devils.
 
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Baby killers UNITE!!! Forget arguing about keeping our women and men alive in wars, forget blacks killing blacks, or killing convicted murderers. Taking out babies must be our goal.

We shall march like Margaret Sanger wanted us to, and weed out those inferior minorities via abortion!!! We are libs, and we got dibs,...on your babies lives.
 
Baby killers UNITE!!! Forget arguing about keeping our women and men alive in wars, forget blacks killing blacks, or killing convicted murderers. Taking out babies must be our goal.

We shall march like Margaret Sanger wanted us to, and weed out those inferior minorities via abortion!!! We are libs, and we got dibs,...on your babies lives.


You're criticizing the wrong people.

But I suspect you already know that. And just prefer to stay dumb.
 
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After he presents that misleading (that's understating it) graph, in a hearing sparked by misleading videos, and presents it as "his own", and she calls him out on it, shouldn't the adults in the room have stood up and said "enough"?

The GOP has gotten what it deserves with the religious right. A bunch of people who can't think for themselves. Congrats on the voting base. May it lead you to extinction (and may you lead them to extinction). Maybe then we can get a viable alternative to the Democrats.

Misleading? - Never seen a two scale graph I guess.
Hope Dominos delivery is working out for you.
The missing # in either graph is the taxpayer aid which I now think is about $500 million and the amount PP's officers and employees contribute to the libtards..
 
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Misleading? - Never seen a two scale graph I guess.
Hope Dominos delivery is working out for you.
The missing # in either graph is the taxpayer aid which I now think is about $500 million.

Lol. Yes that red line looks like it's really representing the ~15% increase, compared to the pink line, which totally looks like it's representing the ~55% decrease.

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That's nothing compared to the number at hospitals, who receive federal funding, but no one wants to talk about that elephant in the operating room. Hell, we had a catholic hospital offer their abortion services after an abnormal ultrasound on our now 15 year old.


TMI dude.
 
I must have missed this. Was this when she tried to defend the $20million to the PAC.
Please expand.
Google it, I have nothing more to add. She told the rep his numbers were wrong, he told her they came from her report. The lawyer whispered in her ear where the numbers really came from and she called him on it for all to see he was wrong.
 
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God bless Jason Chaffetz, because he got his ass handed to him today. I don't totally dislike him. He goes on shows on MSNBC where he faces tougher than normal questioning and he doesn't shrink away from conflict. But, he violated a few prime rules today. One of them is you don't ask questions you don't know the answer to. He put up that graph and he thought he was going to hit a home run, and instead he was bumbling and mumbling to himself as he yielded the floor to Elijah Cummings.
 
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How ridiculous is this? Chairman of the oversight committee Chaffetz used this today in the Planned Parenthood hearing. I was streaming this on cspan and I couldn't make out the numbers, it just looked like PP performed more abortions then cancer screenings now.

Here is the clip:


Here is a more accurate graph from this article:
abortion-chart-Fpo1.0.jpg

It seems like Chaffetz is lying too. He says he pulled these numbers right from PP corp reports but he is just using a graph from some anti-abortion group.
A chart manipulated to convey data in an ideological way? Gasp. Are you new to politics? It's not like the numbers are inaccurate, nor the underlying proposition: abortions are up, and other services are down.
 
A chart manipulated to convey data in an ideological way? Gasp. Are you new to politics? It's not like the numbers are inaccurate, nor the underlying proposition: abortions are up, and other services are down.
Isn't that logical? If you abort in week 10, you don't need your life saved in week 20 because you already took care of the problem.
 
Isn't that logical? If you abort in week 10, you don't need your life saved in week 20 because you already took care of the problem.
I don't know. I haven't paid much attention at all to this issue, I didn't watch the proceedings today, I don't really have a strong position on the abortion issue...I just thought that the level of outrage against this silly graph was sort of funny considering how much this sort of thing goes on all the time (and since the actual underlying data and contention was not actually inaccurate). What it all means in the grand scheme of things, I don't really know.
 
I don't know. I haven't paid much attention at all to this issue, I didn't watch the proceedings today, I don't really have a strong position on the abortion issue...I just thought that the level of outrage against this silly graph was sort of funny considering how much this sort of thing goes on all the time (and since the actual underlying data and contention was not actually inaccurate). What it all means in the grand scheme of things, I don't really know.
I appreciate and share your weak position on this issue.
 
Clearly the chart was misleading, and the source of the data was wrong but that doesn't mean the data itself was wrong (I don't know)........ but both sides do this so I'm not sure why some on here are pretending that it's just the religious right or something. Shit, this stuff happens at work all the time. It's called bias and incompetence.

In the end PP should pay the piper for some of their actions. People defend them like they are the only source for women's health and that everything they do good protects them from doing some bad things. Where were these people to defend all the good things Halliburton does?

Politics is rife with hypocrisy and false outrage. In the end if people expect justice on one side of the aisle they have to give it on the other.

I don't expect total defunding of PP forever, but to let them go altogether will beget similar actions when the shoe is on the other foot. That's why the US has a broken government.
 
Who's criticizing?

You.

With your whiny baby post about all the troubles of the world and people rushing to save the right to abortion.

Hint: People are doing that because the other Party is spending inordinate amounts of time and money on an idiotic witch hunt, instead of focusing on the real issues facing the world.


But of course you know this, you're just a difficult prick, who picks your ideology over what is good for the country.
 
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Google it, I have nothing more to add. She told the rep his numbers were wrong, he told her they came from her report. The lawyer whispered in her ear where the numbers really came from and she called him on it for all to see he was wrong.

I did. All I could find was a MSNBC link about the "misleading graph".
I looked again at the whole exchange and she doesn't dispute the #'s just where they came from. Mumbles about not seeing the slide before, etc, etc...
You really live in an alternate universe don't you...
 
I don't know. I haven't paid much attention at all to this issue, I didn't watch the proceedings today, I don't really have a strong position on the abortion issue...I just thought that the level of outrage against this silly graph was sort of funny considering how much this sort of thing goes on all the time (and since the actual underlying data and contention was not actually inaccurate). What it all means in the grand scheme of things, I don't really know.

For being somewhat well thought out most of the time I'm baffled by this response from you. The level of outrage is being portrayed because that dishonest chart could be the main factor in a government shutdown or not allowing those on Medicaid to use Planned Parenthood if they choose to. That's why there is outrage. This isn't some Sean Hannity/Chris Matthews show where numbers and graphs are manipulated to appeal to the masses.
 
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How ridiculous is this? Chairman of the oversight committee Chaffetz used this today in the Planned Parenthood hearing. I was streaming this on cspan and I couldn't make out the numbers, it just looked like PP performed more abortions then cancer screenings now.

Here is the clip:


Here is a more accurate graph from this article:
abortion-chart-Fpo1.0.jpg

It seems like Chaffetz is lying too. He says he pulled these numbers right from PP corp reports but he is just using a graph from some anti-abortion group.

Typical right winger, ignorant and misinformed. BAU in the wingnut echo chamber of lies and hatred.
 
On the misleading scale, the first graph is a 10, but I'd also give the second graph a 2. Each of those things has nothing to do with the other.
Sure, the first chart was a bold manipulation, but if the numbers are correct, PP does less than half of the non-abortion services than the did 10 years ago - the services they say government funding goes to. If the numbers are correct, they obviously don't need as much funding and I assume people can easily find the services elsewhere. Again, if the numbers are correct, abortions now constitute 25% of their function as opposed to 10%.
 
The other issue is that many "services" are pretty straightforward effort wise compared to an Abortion, so the "unit of measure" here being services helps minimize the picture a bit.

Would stopping by to pick up a Condom be equal to 1 service, for example, and be equal to 1 abortion using this measure? Perhaps. Depends how they decide to track it.
 
Sure, the first chart was a bold manipulation, but if the numbers are correct, PP does less than half of the non-abortion services than the did 10 years ago - the services they say government funding goes to. If the numbers are correct, they obviously don't need as much funding and I assume people can easily find the services elsewhere. Again, if the numbers are correct, abortions now constitute 25% of their function as opposed to 10%.

These abortions are legal and health related right?

Isn't this supposed to be about fetus profit?
 
I don't know. I haven't paid much attention at all to this issue, I didn't watch the proceedings today, I don't really have a strong position on the abortion issue...I just thought that the level of outrage against this silly graph was sort of funny considering how much this sort of thing goes on all the time (and since the actual underlying data and contention was not actually inaccurate). What it all means in the grand scheme of things, I don't really know.
I am basically pro-choice. I don't think Roe should be repealed (although I think the reasoning behind it was beyond flawed).

But you're seeing in this and other threads the extent to which defenders of abortion will go to avoid confronting the real issues. Denying the science is just a starting point for them. They're also trying to dismiss the videos because the camera was turned off when somebody went to take a whiz.

In other words, they are no more interested in an honest discussion, and no more capable of having one, than the "God's gonna getcha!" people at the other extreme.
 
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You.

With your whiny baby post about all the troubles of the world and people rushing to save the right to abortion.

Hint: People are doing that because the other Party is spending inordinate amounts of time and money on an idiotic witch hunt, instead of focusing on the real issues facing the world.


But of course you know this, you're just a difficult prick, who picks your ideology over what is good for the country.
Oh, look at you getting all angry. Blunt truth isn't for everyone Slieb. The other side could always just back off and get to those world issues you speak of btw. Your party seems to ignore those issues most of the time though.
 
Oh, look at you getting all angry. Blunt truth isn't for everyone Slieb. The other side could always just back off and get to those world issues you speak of btw. Your party seems to ignore those issues most of the time though.

I'm not a democrat. I've never voted for a D for President.

Also, so the Ds are supposed to abandon protecting a constitutionally protected right, which is under attack from the Rs, to focus on the "real issues" in the world, but you don't fault the Rs for creating the situation in the first place?

I don't remember when you came back, but obviously your hiatus didn't cause you to become any more reasonable. You should try it again.
 
For being somewhat well thought out most of the time I'm baffled by this response from you. The level of outrage is being portrayed because that dishonest chart could be the main factor in a government shutdown or not allowing those on Medicaid to use Planned Parenthood if they choose to. That's why there is outrage. This isn't some Sean Hannity/Chris Matthews show where numbers and graphs are manipulated to appeal to the masses.
Dishonest charts are used all the time. We ended up with ObamaCare through the use of a plethora of dishonest charts, and assertions, and reports. Just about everything that gets debated on the hill has a collection of junk like that chart accompanying it. This is absolutely nothing new...it is just another day in DC.
 
I'm not a democrat. I've never voted for a D for President.

Also, so the Ds are supposed to abandon protecting a constitutionally protected right, which is under attack from the Rs, to focus on the "real issues" in the world, but you don't fault the Rs for creating the situation in the first place?

I don't remember when you came back, but obviously your hiatus didn't cause you to become any more reasonable. You should try it again.
You have the anger of a lib, and I suspect that you need a hiatus yourself. That constitutional right by the way, is forcing people to pay for baby yanking, despite what their personal beliefs are in considering that topic.
There is a big reason for people to have issue with that. It goes far beyond just getting birth control and checkups.
The real issues have been getting ignored by most of the world regardless. I among others have tried pointing out those very issues, but it's as if we are speaking another language to people.
Pick a topic and we can discuss all you want. This one seems to bring out a fierceness in you that is far from useful at this point.
 
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