Thoughts on this ISU article regarding changing demographics? Made me mad
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No dog in the fight,but in the B1G footprint..People only think of Iowa. No offense to Iowa St. but from a sports perspective. They are an outpost of Big 12 country, so they are a big Meh! Just like Nebraska.
Universities track their alumni. Not hard to do, even if you aren't a member of the alumni association.
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ISU has grown by admitting more marginal academic qualifiers. Not a great way to grow your university. Iowa has pulled in more of the top end qualifiers from other states. And the higher tuition rates that go with them. I know which method increases your standing on a national level.
Blum gives ISU credit for 50k+ attendance while dinging Iowa for not selling out, which is a weird comparison. 50k attendance isn't something to brag about. When is the last time Iowa DIDN'T have 50k at a game? 50 years ago?
Blum gives ISU credit for 50k+ attendance while dinging Iowa for not selling out, which is a weird comparison. 50k attendance isn't something to brag about. When is the last time Iowa DIDN'T have 50k at a game? 50 years ago?
LOL, I've always gotten a kick out of the Notre Dame alumni numbers. They graduate just over 2,000/yr. If we assume the average graduate lives to 78 you're looking at about 110,000 actual alumni TOTAL at any given time.
Most of their fans have no direct connection to the University.
Believe it or not there are Hawk fans that attend or attended ISU and that remained Hawk fans.
Wonder how they account for kiddies that are fans and I know a number of people who never went to ISU and claim to be fans, although I would call them highly casual fans.
I met one guy that went to Iowa for engineering that was an ISU fan. I was always like WTF to you go to Iowa for engineering for when ISU is supposedly THE engineering school.
There is some carryover from the Fry era yet. Iowa was a cinderella type in the 80s so still some recognition by the older crowd from that. Helps also the unis are like the Steelers and Iowa generally recognized as a tough physical team throughout the years.
Couldn't disagree more. Hilton is fantastic.
The experience and noise level at Trice is very poor compared to Kinnick.
I went to a 4 year college. I am a farmer. Grew up an Iowa fan, graduated from ISU, never swayed my loyalty what so ever while in college. I wore Iowa gear to class all the time. I had classes with football players didn't bother me at all. I still have the Iowa State Daily newspaper article they did on me about being a loyal die hard hawk fan going to school in ames. GO HAWKS!!
My take is, ISU is saying “look at me big brother I’ve grown up (enrollment) now you must recognize that I’m bigger and better.” Based on the fact that you’re automatically a fan of ISU when you attend and can’t be a fan if you don’t attend.
What they fail to see is brand recognition and many times kids grow up fans because their parents were and took them to games though they may never attend the school itself (so called tavern hawks). I don’t hear them say that about any other school, just Iowa, why is that. What about all the Jayhawk basketball fans, Notre Dame football fans etc. oh that’s right, only try to pick on big brother.
What they fail to see is brand recognition and many times kids grow up fans because their parents were and took them to games though they may never attend the school itself (so called tavern hawks). I don’t hear them say that about any other school, just Iowa, why is that. What about all the Jayhawk basketball fans, Notre Dame football fans etc. oh that’s right, only try to pick on big brother.
Not sure why all the negativity. They are just putting out facts. As a person that grew up an Iowa fan and went to ISU, I am amazed how ISU can be in the top 25 in attendance with teams that have performed so poorly. I think that has more to do with the game day experience that the university has focused on improving than it has to with demographics. It wasn't that long ago ISU couldn't get 40k in that stadium and now they are consistency in the mid 50k's and bumping up to 60k. The first game of 2015, when ISU opened up with the south end zone expansion, they had a sell out of 61,500, and Iowa had under 60,000 at their game that day. I never thought I would see that in my life time. It hasn't happened since, but it wouldn't take too many bad years at Iowa and a few good years at ISU that ISU could be drawing more fans. This is a crazy thought from were attendance was just 10 years ago.
He does have a point though. In the Des Moines Metro (including the surrounding towns), the number of Iowa St fans have definitely increased in comparison to 20 years ago.
Very true. And why the electoral college is a complete joke
How many people think of themselves as Irish and Catholic? That is the Notre Dame fanbase.
ISU is going broke on their larger enrollment. It was a stupid decision and most certainly did not have student best interest in mind.
Good for them on improving their athletics. How much does their athletics department take from the university budget? How much do they return to the university. Are they self sufficient?
UNI should be absorbed into Iowa and Iowa State. No reason for taxpayers to continue paying for those athletics teams.
ISU is going broke on their larger enrollment. It was a stupid decision and most certainly did not have student best interest in mind.
Good for them on improving their athletics. How much does their athletics department take from the university budget? How much do they return to the university. Are they self sufficient?
UNI should be absorbed into Iowa and Iowa State. No reason for taxpayers to continue paying for those athletics teams.
This map makes no sense, many people attend a university and are not fans of the athletic teams. Tracking where graduates live after graduating has nothing to do with anything other than tracking where graduates live after graduating.
No correlation with fandom whatsoever.
I am a UNI grad, grew up and continue to be a diehard hawk fan. The majority of the people I knew at uni were exactly the same way.
This map is a prime example of taking some data point and manipulating it to insinuate some larger trend that actually has no existence in reality.
No correlation with fandom whatsoever.
I am a UNI grad, grew up and continue to be a diehard hawk fan. The majority of the people I knew at uni were exactly the same way.
This map is a prime example of taking some data point and manipulating it to insinuate some larger trend that actually has no existence in reality.
I don't think I am the first to point this out, but ISU is benefiting greatly from the large population growth of Des Moines. Not only is it a good destination for their graduates, but only being 30 minutes away makes it easy to go up for the game. There are other factors, but if they were 90 minutes from Des Moines, I doubt they would be as successful in drawing in fans during the years that they have had a below average football product.
Well, down in southern Iowa it's hard to find Cyclone fans. They are outnumbered about 5-1 it seems like.
I don't have time to read this thread. All I know is this from ISU fan .... you simply can NOT be a legitimate fan unless you graduate from "said University". When you say Huh? Can you explain this to me? They can't.
In other words ISU has absolutely no fans outside of those that went to ISU. Now - that is sad.
In other words ISU has absolutely no fans outside of those that went to ISU. Now - that is sad.
That's their bread and butter, sheer marketing momentum. Like the so called Tavern Hawkeye, Notre Dame has a legion of Parish Irish that feeds their bank coffers.
All that red looks good on a map, but there is literally zero population in the majority of those counties. Also, I would venture to say that UNI terroritory doubles as Hawkeye football country.
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In hoops, it’s the clownsNo dog in the fight,but in the B1G footprint..People only think of Iowa. No offense to Iowa St. but from a sports perspective. They are an outpost of Big 12 country, so they are a big Meh! Just like Nebraska.
Major shift underway.....those numbers will continue to climb and attendance at ISU games will surpass Iowa in under 10 years. Two small market teams fighting for what market share can be had. The team that will probably suffer the most is UNI.
Apples & Oranges.....ND is the flagship Catholic University in the U.S. That brings support up exponentially
