Tom Herman takes a subtle shot at ISU

[HoustonHawkeye]

Come on people, you do know why ISU is handing out ALL of these offers. They are trying to build up their fan base. It is a 50 year plan. They figure if they offer 500 schollies, 10% of them will be so impressed that they will actually watch their games on TV and 2 of them might go to a game. Do this for 50 years and you have another 100 people at the games.

 

[Foxclone]

Can’t make isu relevant again if they never have been.

Opinions are like A holes. Everybody has one.

 

[Foxclone]

I'd be embarrassed as hell if Iowa threw out 400+ offers and was getting mocked nationally for it. But whatever twirls your beanie.

I guess if you're guilty you will feel that way. If you and I are out trying to sell something, and you choose put in standard effort and use your reputation. I go out and mass mail my message to the potential customer. Why are you offended if I get more response and generate more leads? That's just working harder and smarter. I don't fault anyone from doing that. Mock all you want and be embarrassed.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I guess if you're guilty you will feel that way. If you and I are out trying to sell something, and you choose put in standard effort and use your reputation. I go out and mass mail my message to the potential customer. Why are you offended if I get more response and generate more leads? That's just working harder and smarter. I don't fault anyone from doing that. Mock all you want and be embarrassed.

Why did they create target marketing then? Why aren't more schools practicing this genius approach? If it's working harder and smarter I would think that it would be common practice. I know I always feel special when I get mail addressed to 'current resident'. I can imagine the conversation 'Dad, I am their 400th offer this year, that makes me special'
'did you tell them how excited you were that a backup tackle on a 3-6 team would get an offer?' 'I told them that Dad, I also told them I was ready to commit'
'great son, what did they say?'
'They told me my spot was there if their first 37 choices don't commit, 3 kids have career ending injuries and 9 kids transfer out'
'wow son, so you're saying there's a chance'

 

[ClarindaA's]

Opinions are like A holes. Everybody has one.

When have they been relevant?

 

[David1979]

There are benefits and drawbacks to ISU's approach. The benefit is that you increase your chances of landing some good recruits by casting such a wide net but the downside is that there is no way they can thoroughly evaluate all of the guys they offer so you open yourself up to some major misses especially with the amount of early offers. I also think schools like Texas can use it against ISU with exactly what Herman says. Texas can come in and say, look we are looking for something very particular in players and it takes us time to really make sure we get the right guys and when we offer it means something. That is a persuasive argument to me. More persuasive than we offered first, because remember, Texas is still recruiting even though they haven't offered so the relationship can be just as long.

Also think it is funny that some fans think Texas is scared of ISU recruiting.

 

[ichawk24]

If you and I are out trying to sell something, and you choose put in standard effort and use your reputation. I go out and mass mail my message to the potential customer.

I think it is very accurate to compare the ISU scholarship offer methodology to junk mail that most people throw away unopened.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Opinions are like A holes. Everybody has one.

Ok then care to explain when they were relevant?

 

[RogerKint]

Opinions are like A holes. Everybody has one.

Looking back, when was clownville relevant? Go back as far as you’d like.

 

[Foxclone]

Why did they create target marketing then? Why aren't more schools practicing this genius approach? If it's working harder and smarter I would think that it would be common practice. I know I always feel special when I get mail addressed to 'current resident'. I can imagine the conversation 'Dad, I am their 400th offer this year, that makes me special'
'did you tell them how excited you were that a backup tackle on a 3-6 team would get an offer?' 'I told them that Dad, I also told them I was ready to commit'
'great son, what did they say?'
'They told me my spot was there if their first 37 choices don't commit, 3 kids have career ending injuries and 9 kids transfer out'
'wow son, so you're saying there's a chance'

Are you now besides mind reading, also tapping in on recruits conversations? You can make all kinds of assumptions on this and in the end, it doesn't matter to the coaching staff what you or me or anyone else thinks.

 

[Foxclone]

When have they been relevant?

In your eyes, never. But I don't really care.

 

[Foxclone]

I think it is very accurate to compare the ISU scholarship offer methodology to junk mail that most people throw away unopened.

I suppose you could look at it that way and it could be there is a lot more behind what they are doing than any of us geniuses have a clue on.

 

[Foxclone]

Ok then care to explain when they were relevant?

Back when Johnny Majors and Earl Bruce coached there.

 

[Foxclone]

Looking back, when was clownville relevant? Go back as far as you’d like.

I couldn't tell you as I am not a big fan of the circus or McDonalds. I have been a fan since I was a 12 and that was 45 years ago. I had family go to Iowa and Iowa State and they are both very good schools. On the athletic side I have seen ISU when the school valued football and then when they didn't. It took until Dan Mac came in and started the change. Rhoades tried but still wasn't the right fit. Campbell gets it and is making it happen. It's only makes the rivalry that much better.

 

[Jim4edwards]

I think it is very accurate to compare the ISU scholarship offer methodology to junk mail that most people throw away unopened.

Yet the mail just keeps coming.. somebody must be reading it

 

[cidhawkeye]

Are you now besides mind reading, also tapping in on recruits conversations? You can make all kinds of assumptions on this and in the end, it doesn't matter to the coaching staff what you or me or anyone else thinks.

Having been recruited for football and having had children go through the football recruiting process I may have some insight on what the athlete thinks. As far as what the ISU coaching staff thinks, I have no clue other than to look at it as some of the people that I know in the field think. I am also fairly certain the ISU coaches don't care, nor should they. They have you here to fight their battles for them. Carry on.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Back when Johnny Majors and Earl Bruce coached there.

I would think that relevant would include being ranked more than once during that era but we all have different standards.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I couldn't tell you as I am not a big fan of the circus or McDonalds. I have been a fan since I was a 12 and that was 45 years ago. I had family go to Iowa and Iowa State and they are both very good schools. On the athletic side I have seen ISU when the school valued football and then when they didn't. It took until Dan Mac came in and started the change. Rhoades tried but still wasn't the right fit. Campbell gets it and is making it happen. It's only makes the rivalry that much better.

Honest question, do you think if someone went back and perused the message boards after CPR's first and 2nd years we would be reading many of the same thoughts as you are putting out here? It is similar to Iowa fans and their 'this is the year the offense changes to being a little more wide open' It is said often but it really hasn't been reality.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Opinions are like A holes. Everybody has one.

yes they are......and facts are facts!

 

[danny14]

No matter how many you offer, you have to build rapport with the recruits. There are only so many hours in a day to make contacts. Wasting a lot of time going head to head with Ohio State, Penn State, SEC teams and regional powers, when you dip into their areas, is not using time wisely. Iowa has offered about 135 the last two years to get their 20. They have offered about 75 so far, and you could probably eliminate 30-35 already, due to their increased offers from top schools. They have 3 commitments and probably have a fighting chance for the remaining 40 they have on their list. A lot of their commits will come from the remaining 60 that they will probably offer as the year goes along, not yet offered. Why would Iowa want to waste time with 500 offers?

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I guess if you're guilty you will feel that way. If you and I are out trying to sell something, and you choose put in standard effort and use your reputation. I go out and mass mail my message to the potential customer. Why are you offended if I get more response and generate more leads? That's just working harder and smarter. I don't fault anyone from doing that. Mock all you want and be embarrassed.

You're not selling some 9.99 ASOT crap.
If you're not regularly keeping in touch with kids, it won't matter how many you talk to....
You think they REGULARLY keep in touch with 400+ kids? At 15 minutes a week/kid that would be 100 hours a week.

 

[ClarindaA's]

In your eyes, never. But I don't really care.

No, objectively, one of the worst programs in history. So, tell us, in your eyes, when have the cyclones been relevant?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Back when Johnny Majors and Earl Bruce coached there.

See being relevant means you go 60-62-1 in 11 years. 0-4 in bowl games 2 best seasons both were 8 wins and only one season finished ranked 19th and funniest part is the year they finished ranked didn’t even make a bowl game. Gotcha....

 

[ichawk24]

No, objectively, one of the worst programs in history. So, tell us, in your eyes, when have the cyclones been relevant?

They won the MVC in 1912 with a 2-1-1 record.

 

[RogerKint]

They won the MVC in 1912 with a 2-1-1 record.

How do you suppose they got all their offers out back then? Telegraph? Horse and Buggy? Morse Code?

I am sorry. I have been giving foxclown a hard time about relevancy. I take it all back.

 

[Foxclone]

Having been recruited for football and having had children go through the football recruiting process I may have some insight on what the athlete thinks. As far as what the ISU coaching staff thinks, I have no clue other than to look at it as some of the people that I know in the field think. I am also fairly certain the ISU coaches don't care, nor should they. They have you here to fight their battles for them. Carry on.

Well, you too carry on the fight mighty warrior!

 

[Foxclone]

Honest question, do you think if someone went back and perused the message boards after CPR's first and 2nd years we would be reading many of the same thoughts as you are putting out here? It is similar to Iowa fans and their 'this is the year the offense changes to being a little more wide open' It is said often but it really hasn't been reality.

CPR was cutting his head coaching teeth with previous recruits from Chizik. There was lots of skepticism about his own recruiting and development of players. I can tell you from my opinion that the thoughts are much different. There was doubt in year 1 with CMC . But there were glimpses of good things to happen in the first year. Not unlike Ferentz's first year at Iowa. The quality of recruits are continuing to get better each year and it is showing with this coaching staff.

 

[Foxclone]

See being relevant means you go 60-62-1 in 11 years. 0-4 in bowl games 2 best seasons both were 8 wins and only one season finished ranked 19th and funniest part is the year they finished ranked didn’t even make a bowl game. Gotcha....

You have to start somewhere. I know Iowa sucked for 20 years and weren't relevant during that time period.

 

[relishingwinning18]

I couldn't tell you as I am not a big fan of the circus or McDonalds. I have been a fan since I was a 12 and that was 45 years ago. I had family go to Iowa and Iowa State and they are both very good schools. On the athletic side I have seen ISU when the school valued football and then when they didn't. It took until Dan Mac came in and started the change. Rhoades tried but still wasn't the right fit. Campbell gets it and is making it happen. It's only makes the rivalry that much better.

Let me get this right? You are a 57 year old man, trolling Iowa's message board? Lord, shoot me if my life ever starts going down this road.

 

[RogerKint]

N

Let me get this right? You are a 57 year old man, trolling Iowa's message board? Lord, shoot me if my life ever starts going down this road.

No kidding. Get a hobby. Try watercolors or put puzzles together. How about tying me some flies for fly fishing? I am exclusively barbless. Help me out little brother.

 

[Foxclone]

N

No kidding. Get a hobby. Try watercolors or put puzzles together. How about tying me some flies for fly fishing? I am exclusively barbless. Help me out little brother.

Sorry not into fly fishing or golf or bowling. Don't gamble or smoke. I enjoy amateur sports, I homebrew beer and I do have a sense of humor as I put up with you Boneheads.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Sorry not into fly fishing or golf or bowling. Don't gamble or smoke. I enjoy amateur sports, I homebrew beer and I do have a sense of humor as I put up with you Boneheads.

Perhaps you should get into cyclonefanatic.

 

[cidhawkeye]

CPR was cutting his head coaching teeth with previous recruits from Chizik. There was lots of skepticism about his own recruiting and development of players. I can tell you from my opinion that the thoughts are much different. There was doubt in year 1 with CMC . But there were glimpses of good things to happen in the first year. Not unlike Ferentz's first year at Iowa. The quality of recruits are continuing to get better each year and it is showing with this coaching staff.

I think you would have been in the minority of ISU fans at that stage, there was an awful lot of the 'local boy coming home to raise us up to new levels' ' the state will be ours' ramblings. I am sure there are archives somewhere demonstrating that.

 

[Foxclone]

Perhaps you should get into cyclonefanatic.

Perhaps not. I don't go there.

 

[Foxclone]

I think you would have been in the minority of ISU fans at that stage, there was an awful lot of the 'local boy coming home to raise us up to new levels' ' the state will be ours' ramblings. I am sure there are archives somewhere demonstrating that.

No I was one of the excited optimistic fans when Rhoads was hired. It took 2 plus seasons to see he was in deeper water than he was accustomed to.

 

[cidhawkeye]

No I was one of the excited optimistic fans when Rhoads was hired. It took 2 plus seasons to see he was in deeper water than he was accustomed to.

He was a game ahead of Cmc at that time, same type of bowl win, recruiting rankings within 10 or so places. Huge upsets(not as big as this years but historic for ISU) national media attention over his locker room speech. What gave you those qualms because you would have been in the pretty small minority of ISU supporters at that time. The majority including Jamie thought otherwise even giving him 10 more years. So if it sounds like the same thing we read in that situation you can understand that.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Perhaps not. I don't go there.

That's why I said "get into".