No way we win this without him playing most of the second half. Perkins and Murray were key too
Toussaint MVP
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A lot of fans here said this week that he'll never start and can't run an offense
The bench played a key role on Defense led by Joe T
Reserves won the game. Joe T was great.
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I do think Fran stuck with the better players more this game than past games. So that was a positive.
Too wild, makes too many mistakes, his assist to turnover ratio is lower than other players. Just helping the "Fran knows best" crowd out. Unfortunately Fran won't learn anything from tonight. Not sure what Ulis needs to do to get more PT given CJ, Jbo and Connor are not exactly tearing it up.
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Well, if you look at his entire body of work, he has struggled to run the offense consistently. Love his toughness. I prefer Ulis, but its not a complete zero sum game, JT needs to be on the floor for at least moderate minutes. His defense and quickness are outstanding. If he keeps improving, I will gladly eat some crow.
Why be down on Fran? He played the guys that were playing best tonight. Joe T played like he belonged out there, instead of out of control.
Cj is hurt. But what were the minutes for Connor and JBo? A lot less than normal I suspect.
And he made less mistakes tonight than he normally does, thus more minutes. Is that so hard to understand?
Who were you putting ulis in for in the 2nd half? Cause the lineup that was in was working and there’s no way you put JoeT on the bench the way he played. He should have gotten a few more minutes in the first half but i was fine not seeing him the 2nd
I still think it was a mistake to not commit to touisant earlier in preseason. He’s worth sticking with and the quick hook Fran has with him messes with his psyche.
if this team is truly going to achieve something special we are going to need athletic guard play. There are matchups that Connor and Jbo are complete liabilities. I still don’t know what we have with Ulis but he has flashed. The Jbo can’t get past the logo offense is over in my book, move him to the 2.
if this team is truly going to achieve something special we are going to need athletic guard play. There are matchups that Connor and Jbo are complete liabilities. I still don’t know what we have with Ulis but he has flashed. The Jbo can’t get past the logo offense is over in my book, move him to the 2.
I noticed he let touissant continue playing-even after a few fouls-which I’m okay with.
Maybe Joey t figured out if he makes PMAC look good he gets more minutes? I kid, I kid.
He got more minutes because Connor and Jbo were awful. This has been a recurring theme all season but Fran just keeps playing the same guys and sitting the same guys. Iowa looks like a different team with quickness on the floor.
Im not trying to knock Connor and JBO but they shouldn't be on the floor together. They both just lack quickness and cause nightmares for us defensively.
You can't start an unathletic, 4 guard system in the B1G. The game is just too quick and physical. They both can add to the team but we need more athleticism and the point and physicality at the 4.
I'd keep Nunge on the bench at the start so he and 55 aren't getting gassed and need to sit simultaneously; I'd have keegan start. Joe T should start with JBO at the 2 and CJ on the bench so when Connor is coming in he's likely playing with a more athletic CJ. We are deep enough that this shouldn't be such an issue.
You can't start an unathletic, 4 guard system in the B1G. The game is just too quick and physical. They both can add to the team but we need more athleticism and the point and physicality at the 4.
I'd keep Nunge on the bench at the start so he and 55 aren't getting gassed and need to sit simultaneously; I'd have keegan start. Joe T should start with JBO at the 2 and CJ on the bench so when Connor is coming in he's likely playing with a more athletic CJ. We are deep enough that this shouldn't be such an issue.
I still contend you start Toussaint and bring Jordan off the bench leaving everything else the same. The starters are missing an initiator who can get defenses out of position and the second team is missing three point shooting
The minutes don’t even need to change much, just the rotations
I still wonder if Toussaint has wet shoes or why he keeps slipping all over the place every game. That said, he had some sweet dimes and some clutch points! More JoeT, Ulis and Perkins please!
Good post. CJ was not himself and am not sure why Fran played him. Iowa can go smaller but quicker and more athletic with Nunge, and some combination of Pmac, Ulis, Perkins, Joe T. and Murray. They haven't rebounded well going big and this type of lineup would give Joe T some high flyers to run with vs. well, the other guys. Two connections to Pmac tonight were huge.
I actually disagree here . I think tonight we may have seen Fran realize he has some nice pieces coming off the bench and gives us a nice boost. I see those guys getting more minutes going fwd
I like both of these above posts.
Whoops, I meant Uno & Gojo’s.
Whoops, I meant Uno & Gojo’s.
Also give credit to JBO for making those free throws at the end.
I think he gets his upper body (lean) too far out over his feet and just tries to go too fast at times
Yep exactly. Unless you stagger minutes, but Fran typically likes to bring in the entire bench at about the same time. In that case it makes perfect sense for both units to swap JBo and Joe T for the reasons you mentioned. They can both still get close to 20 mins a game depending on the matchups.
Yes, I think this is better plan---the starters might be the worse defensive unit at any P5 school.
If JBO plays, you have to hide him on defense by playing better defenders at the 2,3,4 positions.
Connor you don't have to hide on defense, but you have to have 2-3 scorers out there because defenses
don't have to cover Connor on offense. In Connor's best shooting game, he's not going to beat anyone, so there
is no reason to guard him.
I though PMAC looked better than CMAC this game PMAC at least adds length on the wing in the zone.
Iowa needs both Wings to be 6'8 or better to be able to help inside and still get out to defend the corner
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Nunge played really well.
I think Ulis also deserves some minutes...he plays better defense than either cmac or JBo and he runs the team pretty well.
JoeT, Nunge, Pmac, Perkins, Ulis and garza won this latest game. Also give a hand to JBO---he is a free throw closer.
To be fair, before tonight that's what he was this season. He was tremendous tonight. Iowa doesn't win without him. Hopefully starts him on a real good run of play, as Iowa could certainly use what he brings to the table.
I hope you are right but I am not that optimistic. The starting 5, when not making 3's, is a very offensively challenged lineup and are flat bad on D. Not knocking their effort, just stating the obvious that they are too slow.
I don't disagree but what is Jbo doing? I would rather have a guy who makes some mistakes trying to make plays than a guy who doesn't make mistakes who can't make plays. Garza makes some really poor decisions but overall he makes way more good ones. Joe T. gets over-scrutinized in my opinion. He was on the floor tonight with the right mix of players who can play fast. Agree he needs to play more consistently, but when all else fails, he can get into the paint and get something to the rim vs. living behind the arc.
I thought uhlis and Perkins would get more PT after the Rutgers game. But hopefuly this seals the deal with Fran regarding who needs to be on the floor when we need defense and quickness.
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I was glad he was in at the end of the game but he’s a shooter who can’t get open to shoot.
I hope my Joe karma doesn't kick in. Whenever I think he has turned the corner and lobby for more PT, his next game usually results in me eating crow. Joe wants to push the ball and having him on the floor with Pmac and some combination of the bench guys is best case scenario. In a half court grinding game Connor is a better option but Iowa hasn't been in many of those games lately and likely won't be until Wisconsin.
We are 3-0 in conference play when Connor gets limited minutes. There isn't a coach in the conference that would pick him top 8 out of our players. Good job on Fran sticking with the hot players. Keep Connor under 10 minutes a game and we will make a run.
Prior to the last 3 games. Bohannon had a stretch of 5 games where he made 27-43 3-pointers and averaged 6 assists a game. It was as good a 5-game stretch as any guard will have in the country this year. For better or worse, Bohannon's game is largely fueled by making 3's. When he's not making them, his effectiveness diminishes.
For Toussaint, 1 TO in 21 minutes will almost always mean he made a positive impact, even if he doesn't score much. If he can take care of the ball, he does enough other stuff to make an impact. Made 3-4 2-pointers, got to the line 6 times, had 6 assists. If he just continues making the easy play good things will happen for him. I have also been shocked with how well Ulis and Perkins have played in their limited minutes. If Frederick has to sit more with his injury, those 2 will get more minutes.
I agree JBO and Connor are both just way to easy to guard and are bad defenders.
I think tonight demonstrates how big of a difference there is between the 4 starting guards and bench guards defensively.
Nobody in the big ten I would rather have on the line at crunch time, but his shooting woes won't change until Fran gets him off the ball so he can roam to an open spot in a secondary break or off a feed from Joe T or Perkins. Fran could benefit Joe W, Jbo and CJ by getting a guard on the floor who can create some open looks for them. Without this, I don't see Iowa's 3 point shooting improving.
I doubt it very much but we'll see. Even in this game he waited too long in the second half to bring in the players that turned the first half around.
I've been a Joe T proponent from the beginning.
He still has control issues, but tonight he was absolute money!
It should be clear to Fran that Joe T, Perkins and Uhlis need more floor time. And those minutes come mostly from Bohannon and Connor.
He still has control issues, but tonight he was absolute money!
It should be clear to Fran that Joe T, Perkins and Uhlis need more floor time. And those minutes come mostly from Bohannon and Connor.
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