Can we start a thread that Ogundele needs more PT? Just kidding but thought I would throw him in the mix to not be left out.
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Can we start a thread that Ogundele needs more PT? Just kidding but thought I would throw him in the mix to not be left out.
Nunge and JoeT were keys, but the entire bench played well and shot well.
The 4 starters other than Garza:
6/20 from the field and 2/11 from 3pt line.
No wonder Fran played the bench big minutes. Starters didn't play good defense or offense.
The 4 starters other than Garza:
6/20 from the field and 2/11 from 3pt line.
No wonder Fran played the bench big minutes. Starters didn't play good defense or offense.
Yes, and unfortunately he has a very hard time even getting a shot attempt off from 3 against most opponents.
During that 5 game stretch Iowa was getting ball movement off of Garza post ups but thats pretty much gone away.
I'd much rather have a dime for every idiot who comes on and says what you just did one out of every ten games. I'd be far richer than you.
Watching the game tonight, I was thinking that perhaps Fran needs to mix the first and second teams up for the reasons you mentioned. The D of the starting team has too many holes when the shots aren’t falling.
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Joe T showed that the more minutes he plays the more comfortable he gets with running the offense. He did a great job tonight, 10 points, 6 assists and only 1 turnover. A number of his passes were brilliant, and his defense was outstanding as well. Go Hawks !
Yeah, I think the rotations need to change.
Specifically less Connor and Jbo together. Theres no reason to have all the worst defenders out there at once when you actually have 4 or 5 pretty good defenders to utilize.
Mix the better defenders and shooters to cover up weaknesses on both ends.
I think Joe can be the POY if he has Garza's work ethic and fight. He is skill and a good shooter, but he never really fights like he's trying to be the best. He just have this calm and slow shooter demeanor; he hardly dives for loose balls, like he's trying not to get hurt for future pay day.
Fran will never in 10 million years change his starting 5 because in doing so he would have to acknowledge he isn't the genius he thinks he is. However, I agree with your post. There isn't a coach at the P5 level that would roll Jbo and Connor out there unless the other 3 guys are NBA lottery picks. Add another tweener athlete in CJ to the mix and you are so overmatched athletically against literally every team you need 2 of 3 guys making 3's and Garza getting 25 to have a chance.
Fran has to mix it up to find a group that can either play better d and/ or score outside of Garza and 3's for stretches. I would be fine seeing the starting 5 get blown up because they are painfully predictable on offense and the group does not compliment each other. I think guys could do more if they were not all accentuating each others weaknesses. Slow guy who can't get separation isn't going to help other slow guy who can't get separation get a clean look.
I don't know if it's ego or being delusional, but Fran can't sit there night after night watching these guys flounder on offense, play lazy d and clank shots up and think "this is exactly we talked about in the pre-game." People keep referencing needing a better effort and Fran is always saying they need to be more connected. No Fran, you just need quicker players who aren't overmatched athletically. You have them at your disposal. They sit next to you on the bench. You know, the guys who you told us could play multiple positions, score and defend. Play those guys more. Fran is the type of strategist that would order a horse cavalry charge against a column of tanks and then be perplexed why it didn't work.
Joe T kind of reminds my of my 6 month old puppy after being in the kennel while we go out to eat. We let her out of the kennel and she runs around all crazy-like for a good 3-4 minutes getting all that stored up energy out, then she finally settles down and is a pretty good dog. I feel he is kind of like that; you put him in the game and he goes 100mph, running into other players and a turnover here or there. But after he gets his energy out, he plays a pretty good ballgame.
Iowa’s offense is at its best when they move the ball up the court quickly before the other team can get set. They get easy transition baskets or pass the ball to the open player to knock down the shot. This keeps the defense moving and opens it up for Garza.
It seems like there has been more dribbling lately, which is easier to defend. This may be due to the other team’s defense as Indiana, Illinois and MSU are solid defensive teams. I also notice in multiple games the other team touching the ball after made baskets to slow down the transition game. I saw Kofi do that last night against Indiana. I think the officials need to call that more. The offensive player should never intentionally touch the ball after a made basket.
I'm not sure what would make you happy at this point. You hate on Fran in every single post. He literally benched his son the entire end of the game, and played Joe T more minutes than Jbo, and you still aren't happy.
Did everyone here realize we are roasting our guys that have us at the number 8 team in the country and a current 2-3 seed in the Big Dance? Connor, JBo, Weiskamp, CJ are all very good players. Last night was about matchups. Perkins, JT, Patrick, Nunge fit that bill better is all. Be happy we are where we are
Illinois did this numerous times. Fran was screaming for a technical after the 3rd time in the first half. The officials had given the warning already as well.
I agree, everyone wants a change. As long as Fran continues to dish out minutes to all our guys, be happy with the win.
I'm not a big Joe T fan, but credit where it's due, he did play well overall last night. A little disturbing he made his first 4 free throws and then missed two, again. But at least Fran learned and JBo The Closer in at the end.
And how about Ulis? I think the kid is now 17 of 18 at the Free Throw line spread out over the entire season playing sporadic minutes. I see a trend. Yowser.
Is leading the conference in scoring and being a top 5 efficiency in the country "floundering"?
I want Fran to add more athleticism to the mix too but the picture you're painting isn't accurate.
Right now Fran has every aspect of the offense and defense tailored to Luka.
The shooters are out there to keep the floor spaced and Connor to get him the ball. We play zone so he doesn't have to be in ball screens.
The real problem is defense, that zone is scouted to a T and getting destroyed.
Fran needs to adjust line ups and play more man imo.
Totally agree. They're doing it on purpose and will keep doing it until you call a tech.
If I'm Fran I'm hammering that into officials head before it even starts.
The problem with this that our most efficient offensive players/ shooters are our worst defenders. Adjusting the lineups will take offense away, but put better defense out there. It is not as easy as you think. And everything should be tailored to Luka. If we go man with Luka he will get into foul trouble or get beat a ton by quicker or more athletic bigs. Our Zone D needs adjusted if anything. Move guys around or play a match up zone more. But you do not abandon it if it has been working.
I wouldn't necessarily look at it as a problem,.. We basically have the luxury of being able to field two entirely different teams and various shades of gray in between,.. This should make us hard to plan for pre-game, and hard to adjust to in-game,.. We need to use this to our advantage...
Yep, with the caveat those guys still have to perform when they're in. We know Keegan can get his near the basket, I think the question is can Perkins or Ulis. I know those guys aren't going to be hunting shots, but it would sure be nice if the Defense had to see them as a threat.
I'd take either shooting over Connor. That said, neither Perkins or Ulis have really played enough to worry all that much about it. But they sure look the part in the early stages of their careers.
Yes, everyone is well aware of this captain obvious.
The zone hasn't been working at all. Opposing big ten coaches have this zone scouted now and are destroying it with corner 3s. You can't just give up open 3s all game long and expect to beat anyone
Luka struggles in man but if the zone continues to be as awful as it has the last two games the trade off of keeping him out of foul trouble is no longer going to be worth it.
We continued in the zone even with Luka and JBO on the bench last night which was really bizarre to me.
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Giving up a contested corner 3 is still better than a lay up. I see why we kept the zone with those guys in. the press was really sharp looking last night with the second unit. hard to switch into a man with a diamond 3/4 court press. The last few possessions for MSU we went into a 1-3-1 and morphed into a match-up man mid possession. It was kind of a cool defense actually. and Fran will never go soley zone or man. He switches it up all the time.
They've been giving up mostly wide open 3s out of the normal 2-3. Illinois especially had it scouted to perfection. It was like a shooting drill.
I agree the 1-3-1 was better, allot of that was because of the personnel.
Yes they have. But if they go man they get beat off the dribble so bad that they give up the wide open 3 and the driving lanes.
I don't think anyone is roasting any players. I'm just watching the 118th ranked defense and thinking there may be some changes that need to be made if we have any hopes of being successful in March.
Thats why Fran needs to mix the better defenders in with the better offensive players.
Figure out where that balance is.
If you play a Toussaint or Ulis with JBO then you can hide JBO on a weaker player in man and have someone to get shots for him on offense.
Like you said, the real problem is playing Luka in man because you really don't want him to foul.
I get the conundrum, but I will say with Nunge coming on it makes the idea more feasible.
Finally JT hit those close up shots. He has been so close so many times, last night they finally dropped for him. Makes him even more of a threat. Good job JT
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