TR Olley

[DonHawkeye]

Did you guys happen to read the made up story that Foley published this week about a "readers" experience in Carver? Either he just made it up himself or it was some TheMat poster teeing him up. Absolute horse shat. Been to Carver hundreds of times and never once seen a scene remotely come close to anything he describe happen. I accidentally clicked on the article and couldn't help myself to see what slight he had on Iowa in the article and he outdid himself.

 

[IAChief32]

Did you guys happen to read the made up story that Foley published this week about a "readers" experience in Carver? Either he just made it up himself or it was some TheMat poster teeing him up. Absolute horse shat. Been to Carver hundreds of times and never once seen a scene remotely come close to anything he describe happen. I accidentally clicked on the article and couldn't help myself to see what slight he had on Iowa in the article and he outdid himself.
I can't even link to it is such drivel.

If you can't link to it, why did you post about it?

 

[SPOONER]

In a way, that's your fault, not his.

 

[DonHawkeye]

http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/18687 enjoy

 

[IAChief32]

Q: Does wrestling have a race problem? The best U.S. wrestler alive is either Kyle Snyder or Jordan Burroughs, who is black. Yet almost every Division I roster is exclusively white (or at least 85 percent white). As a minority in Carver-Hawkeye it was made very clear that I wasn't welcome by fellow fans. (Although I am Indian, I was asked repeatedly if I was here to blow something up. Security actually asked me to leave when I made it clear to the hick next to me he was one comment away from a trip to the hospital.)

I can list off five locker rooms right now I know no minority wrestler would feel comfortable in based solely on the public comments of his prospective teammates. Do coaches even care? And if not, how can the sport grow when the highest levels of wrestling aren't exactly welcoming?
-- Anil C.
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/18687

Ok there. I didn't post TR's answer because you can imagine what it contained.

 

[DayHawk18]

Uhh has he seen top level youth or high school wrestling tournaments? They are a majority white. California and Florida are states with a high minority population that wrestles but unfortunately they often have struggles academically. It's a sports that certainly becoming more diverse though and that's a great thing.

Iowa has always had black/Hispanic wrestlers on the roster and I have seen them speak highly about the environment. I'm curious what this guy's deal is? He probably talked some sh*t or some drunk idiot was talking sh*t to him. Come to another dual and I'm sure you'll love it.

Foley...please don't ever step foot in IC again. Thanks, from the entire cesspool.

 

[IAChief32]

Foley...please don't ever step foot in IC again. Thanks, from the entire cesspool.

I doubt he will. It's safer in Iran than it is in Iowa.

 

[DayHawk18]

I doubt he will. It's safer in Iran than it is in Iowa.

Way more f*** and freedom there!

 

[sunwarrior]

I'm sure I'll get ripped for this, but can someone tell me which part of Foley's answer everyone is taking issue with?

I absolutely can't stand the guy and think he has been very unfair in his criticism of Iowa's program/wrestlers, but I'm a little confused on the issue with this one.

I personally felt he did pretty well refraining from taking any shots at the program and didn't really even take sides politically at all besides voicing some opposition to racism. IMO

I've been to Carver countless times and have certainly never experienced anything remotely close to what the reader claimed, but are we really going to pretend like racism just doesn't exist in Iowa City?

 

[DayHawk18]

I'm sure I'll get ripped for this, but can someone tell me which part of Foley's answer everyone is taking issue with?

I absolutely can't stand the guy and think he has been very unfair in his criticism of Iowa's program/wrestlers, but I'm a little confused on the issue with this one.

I personally felt he did pretty well refraining from taking any shots at the program and didn't really even take sides politically at all besides voicing some opposition to racism. IMO

I've been to Carver countless times and have certainly never experienced anything remotely close to what the reader claimed, but are we really going to pretend like racism just doesn't exist in Iowa City?

I can agree with that. I saw no big deals with what he said.

My comment was more in response to his body of "work"

 

[DonHawkeye]

I'm sure I'll get ripped for this, but can someone tell me which part of Foley's answer everyone is taking issue with?

I absolutely can't stand the guy and think he has been very unfair in his criticism of Iowa's program/wrestlers, but I'm a little confused on the issue with this one.

I personally felt he did pretty well refraining from taking any shots at the program and didn't really even take sides politically at all besides voicing some opposition to racism. IMO

I've been to Carver countless times and have certainly never experienced anything remotely close to what the reader claimed, but are we really going to pretend like racism just doesn't exist in Iowa City?

The shot was either making up the article in the first place or being stupid enough to let some anti-Iowa troll bait him into posting this made up experience.

It probably just kills him that Iowa City got the World Cup and he is gonna do his best to never let that happen again.

 

[artradley]

Q: Does wrestling have a race problem? The best U.S. wrestler alive is either Kyle Snyder or Jordan Burroughs, who is black. Yet almost every Division I roster is exclusively white (or at least 85 percent white). As a minority in Carver-Hawkeye it was made very clear that I wasn't welcome by fellow fans. (Although I am Indian, I was asked repeatedly if I was here to blow something up. Security actually asked me to leave when I made it clear to the hick next to me he was one comment away from a trip to the hospital.)

I can list off five locker rooms right now I know no minority wrestler would feel comfortable in based solely on the public comments of his prospective teammates. Do coaches even care? And if not, how can the sport grow when the highest levels of wrestling aren't exactly welcoming?
-- Anil C.
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/18687

Ok there. I didn't post TR's answer because you can imagine what it contained.

Somehow I suspect what actually happened is laughably dissimilar to his account. I know Iowa has some race issues -- but nothing like it was 40 years ago and certainly not to the level where "several" people would randomly accuse an Indian of being a terrorist.

The fact that security told him to leave gives a pretty good clue about his behavior at the time.

 

[sunwarrior]

The shot was either making up the article in the first place or being stupid enough to let some anti-Iowa troll bait him into posting this made up experience.

It probably just kills him that Iowa City got the World Cup and he is gonna do his best to never let that happen again.

Ahh yes. This makes sense. Not sure how I didn't gather that from the OP.

I guess I was just so pleasantly surprised that he didn't rip into Iowa City in his answer that I didn't consider this

Thanks for the pleasant responses everyone. I definitely realize Foley's anti-Iowa bias so I can totally see this now

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Who in the f*ck actually reads his blog. Please quit posting/linking that shit here. He's pure click bait/troll. I guarantee this is a made up story from an Iowa hating fan. The fact that he acknowledged that troll email at all shows Foley's motive. IDC how he responded to it, he's deliberately doing what he can do disparage Iowa without any evidence or corroboration of that bullshit story.

 

[JohnBasedow]

I refused to click on the link so I have only read the question asked. However, based on the first name and last initial I have just done a significant amount of digging online and I can't find any wrestler that meets these qualifications. The closest person I can find is a Greco wrestler from India but he never wrestled at Carver.

I'm not saying he doesn't exist, but I can't find anyone. Maybe it happened years ago but I doubt it. Foley is a hack.

 

[HerkHawl]

I'm sure I'll get ripped for this, but can someone tell me which part of Foley's answer everyone is taking issue with?

I absolutely can't stand the guy and think he has been very unfair in his criticism of Iowa's program/wrestlers, but I'm a little confused on the issue with this one.

I personally felt he did pretty well refraining from taking any shots at the program and didn't really even take sides politically at all besides voicing some opposition to racism. IMO

I've been to Carver countless times and have certainly never experienced anything remotely close to what the reader claimed, but are we really going to pretend like racism just doesn't exist in Iowa City?

Let's not pretend that but let's not ONLY name Carver and pretend like racism is ONLY a problem in Iowa.

 

[Czech Hawk]

If you are going to post this ass clown here, post it. I'm not so sensitive to read the satire he puts out, but I refuse to give it clicks. This post probably helped up the value and expect a follow up from his trash bag. Guy is a total waste. If he comes to Iowa in April, I expect a few people on here to let him know just how we feel about him personally. Not that he will care, but some reinforcement on how his stories suck. What would be great would be an impromptu interview with some questions about Iowa directly concerning these topics and a live feed to the big screen. So anyone in a higher place that could arrange that, if the troll bag shows his face.

 

[pablow]

The University of Iowa has a great tradition of equality for women and minorities. G. Alexander Clark was the first black in the history of this country to earn a law degree - in 1879 from the U.of Iowa College of law. A few years earlier the first woman in the USA graduated from law school - at Iowa. Iowa's Simon Roberts was the first black wrestler to win an NCAA title. Although not prefect, Iowa has been light years ahead of much of the country on race issues.

The US Supreme Court struck down the separate-but-equal nonsense in Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. The Iowa Supreme Court didn't take so long - it granted Blacks full access to schools 86 years earlier in Clark v. Board of Directors.

I've attended many dual meets at Carver. I always attend with black friends that wrestled in college at ISU and Iowa. Never a hint of problems - in fact everyone was very welcoming.

Foley is ignorant. He's from the east coast and he thinks Iowa is Mississippi. He should take the time to educate himself and quit being a such a fool.

 

[jammenz]

Your Herky is too mean. How about a kinder, gentler, smiling mascot?

 

[DonHawkeye]

Who in the f*ck actually reads his blog. Please quit posting/linking that shit here. He's pure click bait/troll. I guarantee this is a made up story from an Iowa hating fan. The fact that he acknowledged that troll email at all shows Foley's motive. IDC how he responded to it, he's deliberately doing what he can do disparage Iowa without any evidence or corroboration of that bullshit story.

I hear you. And I would normally not bring attention to this nutjob, but I am pretty sure this guy works for UWW. The same UWW that awards World Cups. Getting Iowa City to host World Team Trials and the World Cup is huge for Iowa City, HWC and the Hawks. Posting an article like this is an attack on all 3 and we know he has an agenda.

Maybe he should make up a story about his alma matter's home town I mean they did allowed a Neo-Nazi Jamboree there.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I hear you. And I would normally not bring attention to this nutjob, but I am pretty sure this guy works for UWW.

Wow I did not know that. How did he manage to get that position?

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

The University of Iowa has a great tradition of equality for women and minorities. G. Alexander Clark was the first black in the history of this country to earn a law degree - in 1879 from the U.of Iowa College of law. A few years earlier the first woman in the USA graduated from law school - at Iowa. Iowa's Simon Roberts was the first black wrestler to win an NCAA title. Although not prefect, Iowa has been light years ahead of much of the country on race issues.

The US Supreme Court struck down the separate-but-equal nonsense in Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. The Iowa Supreme Court didn't take so long - it granted Blacks full access to schools in 86 years earlier in Clark v. Board of Directors.

I've attended many dual meets at Carver. I always attend with black friends that wrestled in college at ISU and Iowa. Never a hint of problems - in fact everyone was very welcoming.

Foley is ignorant. He's from the east coast and he thinks Iowa is Mississippi. He should take the time to educate himself and quit being a such a fool.

Along these lines, I was interested to hear the commentary about Jack Trice during the ISU-Texas football game Thursday night. They mentioned that Trice was the second African American to play D1 football. Pretty sure they said the first was Frank Holbrook, for none other than the University of Iowa.

And as for racist behavior in Carver. . . . I've been watching meets and tournaments there since the place opened. I got nothing. That's not to claim that the U of I, the Carver crowd, Iowa City, or our state is perfect by any means, and race relations clearly have yet to reach an optimal level, but to single out Carver or Iowa fans as racist is just flat-out baloney.

 

[IAChief32]

Somehow I suspect what actually happened is laughably dissimilar to his account. I know Iowa has some race issues -- but nothing like it was 40 years ago and certainly not to the level where "several" people would randomly accuse an Indian of being a terrorist.

The fact that security told him to leave gives a pretty good clue about his behavior at the time.

Glad to hear u say this Art. I am your avg white dude...I have not heard that kind of language in public for many years. Even after 9/11, I never saw somebody from the Middle East or SW Asia called out. This doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen in people’s heads. I have been around the block...Iowa should be the least of TR’s concerns.

Also, I would have to ask which public statements by which wrestlers?

 

[dunkej01]

Glad to hear u say this Art. I am your avg white dude...I have not heard that kind of language in public for many years. Even after 9/11, I never saw somebody from the Middle East or SW Asia called out. This doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen in people’s heads. I have been around the block...Iowa should be the least of TR’s concerns.

Also, I would have to ask which public statements by which wrestlers?

TR could have EASILY omitted the Carver identifier. The intellectual that he claims to be, knows that an "anonymous" email to his mail bag could very possibly not be true. A journalist would confirm the story before pushing a slanderous piece. He chose to leave it, which either means he is not the intellectual he espouses to be, is not nearly the journalist his employers should want on staff OR he (or the intermat editor) wanted this reaction.

I think he and intermat push the envelop with this column to stay relevant or better to keep the wrestling on line community from not forgetting about them. Flo is crushing them in all respects and I dont see them taking their foot of their throat....ever.

Seriously, if intermat didnt have rankings would you ever go there? Most of their posted articles are regurgitations of other peoples work. What little banter they have behind their pay wall is similar to what other wrestling outlets are doing too, because their obvious to the community.

Lastly, the one thing that is consistent with TR relative to iowa wrestling is that he consistently points out issues and rarely shows the positives. Maybe he was face mushed by someone in black and gold and has yet to deal with the horror of it?

 

[rossel 33]

Foley's answer comes across as reasonable. But that's not likely the point.

The whole thing has the stench of trolling. Given his past posts, It's safe to say that Foley dislikes Iowa. What better way to trash Iowa than to give a negative and probably made up story some publicity. It happens on themat forums frequently.

Jmho, but I think there are a lot of active jackals (mostly PSU fans) on some forums who go to great lengths to tear down Iowa. Probably done in hopes that potential recruits will be swayed.

 

[IAChief32]

TR could have EASILY omitted the Carver identifier. The intellectual that he claims to be, knows that an "anonymous" email to his mail bag could very possibly not be true. A journalist would confirm the story before pushing a slanderous piece. He chose to leave it, which either means he is not the intellectual he espouses to be, is not nearly the journalist his employers should want on staff OR he (or the intermat editor) wanted this reaction.

I think he and intermat push the envelop with this column to stay relevant or better to keep the wrestling on line community from not forgetting about them. Flo is crushing them in all respects and I dont see them taking their foot of their throat....ever.

Seriously, if intermat didnt have rankings would you ever go there? Most of their posted articles are regurgitations of other peoples work. What little banter they have behind their pay wall is similar to what other wrestling outlets are doing too, because their obvious to the community.

Lastly, the one thing that is consistent with TR relative to iowa wrestling is that he consistently points out issues and rarely shows the positives. Maybe he was face mushed by someone in black and gold and has yet to deal with the horror of it?

You said it better than I did, fo sho. The guy is a virtue signaling douche...not a column goes by without it.

One of the great things about sports is that it brings everybody together even if just for a couple of hours. If he was indeed a Hawk fan, than the only color that matters is black and gold.

 

[Hawk_82]

Its funny because anyone who has spent any time in Iowa City knows that there is more diversity here than in probably any other city in Iowa. Out of all the places to see racism, Iowa City is probably the last place you would see it.

I was also curious on the numbers so I pulled them up
The Iowa wrestling team very closely matches the U of I, Iowa City, and the state of Iowa racial profile

I pulled the wrestling info from the official wrestling website
Wrestlers - U of I - State of Iowa - Iowa City
Black wrestlers are 5.5% of team compared: 3% - 3.1% - 3.75%
Asian wrestlers are 2.76% of team compared: 4.2% - 1.8% - 5.6%
Hispanic wrestlers are 5.5% of team compared: 6.5% - 5% - 2.9%
White wrestlers are 86% of team compared to: 82.5% - 88% - 85%

The iowa wrestling team has more diversity than the state of iowa in all categories.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Neo Hawk had a good reply in the comments section.

DonHawkeye, gotta give credit when credit is due, that's a punny (since I can't use the f word on this forum) thread title.

 

[El-Jefe]

You said it better than I did, fo sho. The guy is a virtue signaling douche...not a column goes by without it.

One of the great things about sports is that it brings everybody together even if just for a couple of hours. If he was indeed a Hawk fan, than the only color that matters is black and gold.

Sign says ESPN but applies equally well to Foley.