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Trans surgeries increase risk of suicidal ideation and mental health disorders

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I have been saying for a long time that new research will show that gender affirming care is not beneficial and likely is more harmful. Now the research is coming in and it turns out i was right. here is the most recent research.

https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063?login=true. - i did not copy and paste the entire article, but I got the highlights for those who can't read the study.


While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable, mental health outcomes were assessed in a cross-sectional manner using diagnoses recorded before and after surgery within the database. Risk for mental health outcomes was assessed for all cohorts over two years following surgery, based on findings from the 2015 US Transgender Survey that high[1]lighted significant adverse mental health outcomes occurring within this timeframe [17].



Mental health outcomes were determined using validated tools administrated by the doctors and healthcare organizations, with the results recorded using corresponding ICD-10 codes.



Mental health outcomes in this study were assessed using clinician-verified International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10) diagnostic codes, as recorded in the EMRs within the TriNetX database. These diagnoses were established by healthcare professionals during clinical encounters and documented in the EMRs of participating healthcare organizations. This approach eliminates the reliance on self-report measures, ensuring that diagnoses such as depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder are based on clinical evaluations rather than patient-reported symptoms or survey items. By utilizing ICD-10 codes, we sought to enhance the validity and reliability of the data, addressing the limitations of bias and subjectivity inherent in self-reported mental health measures.



∙ Cohort A: Patients documented as male (which may indi[1]cate natal sex or affirmed gender identity), aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort B: Male patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort C: Patients documented as female, aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort D: Female patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort E: Transgender male patients who underwent masculinizing gender-affirming regardless of a previous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria

∙ Cohort F: Transgender female patients who underwent feminizing gender-affirming surgery regardless of a previ[1]ous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria.


Results

Our team identified 107 583 patients aged ≥18 with a previous diagnosis of gender dysphoria using the TriNetX Database United States Collaborative Network. Initially, Cohort A included 2774 male patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort B included 48 090 male patients with gender dysphoria but no gender-affirming surgery; Cohort C included 3358 female patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort D included 67 579 female patients with gender dysphoria but no gender[1]affirming surgery; Cohort E included 3790 transgender male patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria; Cohort F included 4643 transgender female patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria. The demographics for each cohort before and after propensity score matching is attached to the supplementary tables. After propensity score matching of cohorts A and B, each cohort had 2774 patients of similar race, ethnicity, and age at index (Supplementary document: Table S1). Compared to male patients with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only, those with gender affirmation surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders. However, neither cohort was at increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 1). Male patients with gender-affirming surgery had a 25.4% rate of depression, compared to 11.5% for those without surgery (RR 2.203, 95% CI 1.477-3.287, P < 0.0001). Male patients with surgery had 4.882 times the risk of anxiety (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001) compared to thosewho did not receive surgery (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.4% vs. 0.4%, RR 1.001, 95% CI 0.417-2.402, P = 0.9974). After propensity score matching of Cohorts C and D, each cohort had 3358 female patients of similar age at index, race, and ethnicity (Supplementary document: Table S2). Female patients with gender dysphoria and a history of gender-affirming surgery had significantly higher risks for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders compared to those with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only. However, neither group was at an increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 2). Females with gender-affirming surgery had a 22.9% rate of depression, compared to 14.6% for those without surgery (RR 1.563, 95% CI 1.422-1.717, P < 0.0001). Compared to those without surgery, females who had undergone gender-affirming surgery had a 1.478 times higher risk of anxiety (10.496% vs. 7.098%, RR 1.478, 95% CI 1.214-1.797, P < 0.0001), a 2.357 times higher risk of suicidal ideation (19.811% vs. 8.402%, RR 2.357, 95% CI 1.579-3.515), and a 2.712 times higher risk of substance use disorder (19.322% vs.7.123%, RR 2.712, 95% CI 1.439-3.217). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.3%)

(Table 2).

To assess gender disparities in mental health outcomes in transgender patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but lacked a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria, we compared Cohorts E and F. After propensity score matching, both cohorts included 3607 patients who were similar at index, in age, race, and ethnicity (Supplementary document:Table S3). Transgender men who had undergone gender[1]affirming surgery were at higher risk of most mental health issues compared to transgender women. Specifically, trans[1]gender men had a 1.58 times higher risk of anxiety (14.1% vs. 8. 9%, RR 1.580, 95% CI 0.845-2.134, P = 0.0002), a 1.186 times higher risk of suicidal ideation (5.5% vs. 4.6%, RR 1.186, 95% CI 0.97-1.449, P = 0.0358), and a 1.284 times higher risk of substance use disorder (14.4% vs. 11.2%, RR 1.284, 95% CI 1.137-1.45, P < 0.0001). Among the five outcomes, the relative risk was highest for depression among transgender men compared to transgender women (RR 1.783, 95% CI 1.327-2.389, P = 0.0298). Both cohorts were at the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 3)



Comparison with previous studies

When evaluating these findings within the context of previous research, it is crucial to recognize the limitations inherent in studies that rely primarily on survey data, such as those analyzed by Marano et al. and Almazan and Keuroghlian [13,23]. These studies, using data from the U.S. Transgender Sur[1]vey, underscore the psychosocial benefits of gender-affirming surgeries, including reductions in depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation, while emphasizing the importance of align[1]ing physical appearance with gender identity to improve mental health. However, survey-based studies are limited by self-reported data, which may introduce response bias and lack clinical validation, potentially limiting the generalizabil[1]ity of their findings [24]. Our study diverges by using a national database of de-identified clinical data, enabling a more comprehensive and representative examination of real[1]world mental health outcomes across diverse demographics. This approach allows us to capture more nuanced insights into mental health risks, particularly the heightened suscep[1]tibility to depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder in transwomen individuals’ post-surgery. This divergence from survey-based findings highlights the need for gender-sensitive mental health strategies that extend beyond the surgical intervention itself.


Conclusion

Our study reveals that both male and female patients with gender dysphoria who undergo gender-affirming surgery are at significantly higher risk for adverse mental health outcomes, including depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder, compared to those who do not undergo gender-affirming surgery. This trend persists even after controlling for confounding factors through propensity score matching. Notably, transgender men showed a greater relative risk for these mental health issues compared to trans[1]gender women following gender-affirming surgery. Despite the benefits of surgery in alleviating gender dysphoria, our findings underscore the necessity for ongoing mental health support for transgender individuals during their post-surgery trajectories. These results also highlight the critical need for gender-specific care tailored to the unique experiences of male and female populations, respectively, addressing both pre- and post-surgical mental health care to improve overall well-being and prevent any mental illness or diseases.
 
I have been saying for a long time that new research will show that gender affirming care is not beneficial and likely is more harmful. Now the research is coming in and it turns out i was right. here is the most recent research.

https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063?login=true. - i did not copy and paste the entire article, but I got the highlights for those who can't read the study.


While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable, mental health outcomes were assessed in a cross-sectional manner using diagnoses recorded before and after surgery within the database. Risk for mental health outcomes was assessed for all cohorts over two years following surgery, based on findings from the 2015 US Transgender Survey that high[1]lighted significant adverse mental health outcomes occurring within this timeframe [17].



Mental health outcomes were determined using validated tools administrated by the doctors and healthcare organizations, with the results recorded using corresponding ICD-10 codes.



Mental health outcomes in this study were assessed using clinician-verified International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10) diagnostic codes, as recorded in the EMRs within the TriNetX database. These diagnoses were established by healthcare professionals during clinical encounters and documented in the EMRs of participating healthcare organizations. This approach eliminates the reliance on self-report measures, ensuring that diagnoses such as depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder are based on clinical evaluations rather than patient-reported symptoms or survey items. By utilizing ICD-10 codes, we sought to enhance the validity and reliability of the data, addressing the limitations of bias and subjectivity inherent in self-reported mental health measures.



∙ Cohort A: Patients documented as male (which may indi[1]cate natal sex or affirmed gender identity), aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort B: Male patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort C: Patients documented as female, aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort D: Female patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort E: Transgender male patients who underwent masculinizing gender-affirming regardless of a previous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria

∙ Cohort F: Transgender female patients who underwent feminizing gender-affirming surgery regardless of a previ[1]ous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria.


Results

Our team identified 107 583 patients aged ≥18 with a previous diagnosis of gender dysphoria using the TriNetX Database United States Collaborative Network. Initially, Cohort A included 2774 male patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort B included 48 090 male patients with gender dysphoria but no gender-affirming surgery; Cohort C included 3358 female patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort D included 67 579 female patients with gender dysphoria but no gender[1]affirming surgery; Cohort E included 3790 transgender male patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria; Cohort F included 4643 transgender female patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria. The demographics for each cohort before and after propensity score matching is attached to the supplementary tables. After propensity score matching of cohorts A and B, each cohort had 2774 patients of similar race, ethnicity, and age at index (Supplementary document: Table S1). Compared to male patients with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only, those with gender affirmation surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders. However, neither cohort was at increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 1). Male patients with gender-affirming surgery had a 25.4% rate of depression, compared to 11.5% for those without surgery (RR 2.203, 95% CI 1.477-3.287, P < 0.0001). Male patients with surgery had 4.882 times the risk of anxiety (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001) compared to thosewho did not receive surgery (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.4% vs. 0.4%, RR 1.001, 95% CI 0.417-2.402, P = 0.9974). After propensity score matching of Cohorts C and D, each cohort had 3358 female patients of similar age at index, race, and ethnicity (Supplementary document: Table S2). Female patients with gender dysphoria and a history of gender-affirming surgery had significantly higher risks for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders compared to those with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only. However, neither group was at an increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 2). Females with gender-affirming surgery had a 22.9% rate of depression, compared to 14.6% for those without surgery (RR 1.563, 95% CI 1.422-1.717, P < 0.0001). Compared to those without surgery, females who had undergone gender-affirming surgery had a 1.478 times higher risk of anxiety (10.496% vs. 7.098%, RR 1.478, 95% CI 1.214-1.797, P < 0.0001), a 2.357 times higher risk of suicidal ideation (19.811% vs. 8.402%, RR 2.357, 95% CI 1.579-3.515), and a 2.712 times higher risk of substance use disorder (19.322% vs.7.123%, RR 2.712, 95% CI 1.439-3.217). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.3%)

(Table 2).





Comparison with previous studies

When evaluating these findings within the context of previous research, it is crucial to recognize the limitations inherent in studies that rely primarily on survey data, such as those analyzed by Marano et al. and Almazan and Keuroghlian [13,23]. These studies, using data from the U.S. Transgender Sur[1]vey, underscore the psychosocial benefits of gender-affirming surgeries, including reductions in depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation, while emphasizing the importance of align[1]ing physical appearance with gender identity to improve mental health. However, survey-based studies are limited by self-reported data, which may introduce response bias and lack clinical validation, potentially limiting the generalizabil[1]ity of their findings [24]. Our study diverges by using a national database of de-identified clinical data, enabling a more comprehensive and representative examination of real[1]world mental health outcomes across diverse demographics. This approach allows us to capture more nuanced insights into mental health risks, particularly the heightened suscep[1]tibility to depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder in transwomen individuals’ post-surgery. This divergence from survey-based findings highlights the need for gender-sensitive mental health strategies that extend beyond the surgical intervention itself.


Conclusion

Our study reveals that both male and female patients with gender dysphoria who undergo gender-affirming surgery are at significantly higher risk for adverse mental health outcomes, including depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder, compared to those who do not undergo gender-affirming surgery. This trend persists even after controlling for confounding factors through propensity score matching. Notably, transgender men showed a greater relative risk for these mental health issues compared to trans[1]gender women following gender-affirming surgery. Despite the benefits of surgery in alleviating gender dysphoria, our findings underscore the necessity for ongoing mental health support for transgender individuals during their post-surgery trajectories. These results also highlight the critical need for gender-specific care tailored to the unique experiences of male and female populations, respectively, addressing both pre- and post-surgical mental health care to improve overall well-being and prevent any mental illness or diseases.
You will never convince these dildos they are wrong about anything that makes them feel superior by, "knowing better than everyone else." It's all they have.
 
I have been saying for a long time that new research will show that gender affirming care is not beneficial and likely is more harmful. Now the research is coming in and it turns out i was right. here is the most recent research.

https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063?login=true. - i did not copy and paste the entire article, but I got the highlights for those who can't read the study.


While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable, mental health outcomes were assessed in a cross-sectional manner using diagnoses recorded before and after surgery within the database. Risk for mental health outcomes was assessed for all cohorts over two years following surgery, based on findings from the 2015 US Transgender Survey that high[1]lighted significant adverse mental health outcomes occurring within this timeframe [17].



Mental health outcomes were determined using validated tools administrated by the doctors and healthcare organizations, with the results recorded using corresponding ICD-10 codes.



Mental health outcomes in this study were assessed using clinician-verified International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10) diagnostic codes, as recorded in the EMRs within the TriNetX database. These diagnoses were established by healthcare professionals during clinical encounters and documented in the EMRs of participating healthcare organizations. This approach eliminates the reliance on self-report measures, ensuring that diagnoses such as depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder are based on clinical evaluations rather than patient-reported symptoms or survey items. By utilizing ICD-10 codes, we sought to enhance the validity and reliability of the data, addressing the limitations of bias and subjectivity inherent in self-reported mental health measures.



∙ Cohort A: Patients documented as male (which may indi[1]cate natal sex or affirmed gender identity), aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort B: Male patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort C: Patients documented as female, aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort D: Female patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort E: Transgender male patients who underwent masculinizing gender-affirming regardless of a previous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria

∙ Cohort F: Transgender female patients who underwent feminizing gender-affirming surgery regardless of a previ[1]ous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria.


Results

Our team identified 107 583 patients aged ≥18 with a previous diagnosis of gender dysphoria using the TriNetX Database United States Collaborative Network. Initially, Cohort A included 2774 male patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort B included 48 090 male patients with gender dysphoria but no gender-affirming surgery; Cohort C included 3358 female patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort D included 67 579 female patients with gender dysphoria but no gender[1]affirming surgery; Cohort E included 3790 transgender male patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria; Cohort F included 4643 transgender female patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria. The demographics for each cohort before and after propensity score matching is attached to the supplementary tables. After propensity score matching of cohorts A and B, each cohort had 2774 patients of similar race, ethnicity, and age at index (Supplementary document: Table S1). Compared to male patients with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only, those with gender affirmation surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders. However, neither cohort was at increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 1). Male patients with gender-affirming surgery had a 25.4% rate of depression, compared to 11.5% for those without surgery (RR 2.203, 95% CI 1.477-3.287, P < 0.0001). Male patients with surgery had 4.882 times the risk of anxiety (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001) compared to thosewho did not receive surgery (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.4% vs. 0.4%, RR 1.001, 95% CI 0.417-2.402, P = 0.9974). After propensity score matching of Cohorts C and D, each cohort had 3358 female patients of similar age at index, race, and ethnicity (Supplementary document: Table S2). Female patients with gender dysphoria and a history of gender-affirming surgery had significantly higher risks for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders compared to those with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only. However, neither group was at an increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 2). Females with gender-affirming surgery had a 22.9% rate of depression, compared to 14.6% for those without surgery (RR 1.563, 95% CI 1.422-1.717, P < 0.0001). Compared to those without surgery, females who had undergone gender-affirming surgery had a 1.478 times higher risk of anxiety (10.496% vs. 7.098%, RR 1.478, 95% CI 1.214-1.797, P < 0.0001), a 2.357 times higher risk of suicidal ideation (19.811% vs. 8.402%, RR 2.357, 95% CI 1.579-3.515), and a 2.712 times higher risk of substance use disorder (19.322% vs.7.123%, RR 2.712, 95% CI 1.439-3.217). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.3%)

(Table 2).

To assess gender disparities in mental health outcomes in transgender patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but lacked a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria, we compared Cohorts E and F. After propensity score matching, both cohorts included 3607 patients who were similar at index, in age, race, and ethnicity (Supplementary document:Table S3). Transgender men who had undergone gender[1]affirming surgery were at higher risk of most mental health issues compared to transgender women. Specifically, trans[1]gender men had a 1.58 times higher risk of anxiety (14.1% vs. 8. 9%, RR 1.580, 95% CI 0.845-2.134, P = 0.0002), a 1.186 times higher risk of suicidal ideation (5.5% vs. 4.6%, RR 1.186, 95% CI 0.97-1.449, P = 0.0358), and a 1.284 times higher risk of substance use disorder (14.4% vs. 11.2%, RR 1.284, 95% CI 1.137-1.45, P < 0.0001). Among the five outcomes, the relative risk was highest for depression among transgender men compared to transgender women (RR 1.783, 95% CI 1.327-2.389, P = 0.0298). Both cohorts were at the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 3)



Comparison with previous studies

When evaluating these findings within the context of previous research, it is crucial to recognize the limitations inherent in studies that rely primarily on survey data, such as those analyzed by Marano et al. and Almazan and Keuroghlian [13,23]. These studies, using data from the U.S. Transgender Sur[1]vey, underscore the psychosocial benefits of gender-affirming surgeries, including reductions in depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation, while emphasizing the importance of align[1]ing physical appearance with gender identity to improve mental health. However, survey-based studies are limited by self-reported data, which may introduce response bias and lack clinical validation, potentially limiting the generalizabil[1]ity of their findings [24]. Our study diverges by using a national database of de-identified clinical data, enabling a more comprehensive and representative examination of real[1]world mental health outcomes across diverse demographics. This approach allows us to capture more nuanced insights into mental health risks, particularly the heightened suscep[1]tibility to depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder in transwomen individuals’ post-surgery. This divergence from survey-based findings highlights the need for gender-sensitive mental health strategies that extend beyond the surgical intervention itself.


Conclusion

Our study reveals that both male and female patients with gender dysphoria who undergo gender-affirming surgery are at significantly higher risk for adverse mental health outcomes, including depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder, compared to those who do not undergo gender-affirming surgery. This trend persists even after controlling for confounding factors through propensity score matching. Notably, transgender men showed a greater relative risk for these mental health issues compared to trans[1]gender women following gender-affirming surgery. Despite the benefits of surgery in alleviating gender dysphoria, our findings underscore the necessity for ongoing mental health support for transgender individuals during their post-surgery trajectories. These results also highlight the critical need for gender-specific care tailored to the unique experiences of male and female populations, respectively, addressing both pre- and post-surgical mental health care to improve overall well-being and prevent any mental illness or diseases.
Are you a PF alt?
 
You will never convince these dildos they are wrong about anything that makes them feel superior by, "knowing better than everyone else." It's all they have.
Very true.

I made claims that went against the research because I read the studies and I knew they were garbage. I also have clinical knowledge and expertise that made me confident my claims would show up in the research eventually. It's fun to be right
 
I have been saying for a long time that new research will show that gender affirming care is not beneficial and likely is more harmful. Now the research is coming in and it turns out i was right. here is the most recent research.

https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063?login=true. - i did not copy and paste the entire article, but I got the highlights for those who can't read the study.

Conclusions do not state what you think they do.
Because you've ignored the original selection criteria here.
 
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Very true.

I made claims that went against the research because I read the studies and I knew they were garbage. I also have clinical knowledge and expertise that made me confident my claims would show up in the research eventually. It's fun to be right
Yeah it's fun to be right but it's actually even more fun to point out flaws in the reasoning of those who make self-serving claims like "it's fun to be right". Here let me show you.

Right off the bat:

"While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable"

Oh, ok, so we don't really know how people adjust long-term after such a drastic, life-changing surgery. I already know at this point that this study -like most studies on human subjects, is at best extremely limited in its generalizability. What it does, however, is supply a quick hit of easily digestible brain poison.

But there's more.

From a design standpoint, compared to those who didn't go through with the surgery, who wouldn't expect that those who did go through with such a drastic surgery wouldn't have higher levels of dissatisfaction (however that is operationally defined) both before and in the short-term post-surgery? I mean since they're willing to go to such an extreme intervention, a reasonable person would conclude they're already feeling much worse than those who determined they didn't want the surgery.
 
Yeah it's fun to be right but it's actually even more fun to point out flaws in the reasoning of those who make self-serving claims like "it's fun to be right". Here let me show you.

Right off the bat:

"While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable"

Oh, ok, so we don't really know how people adjust long-term after such a drastic, life-changing surgery. I already know at this point that this study -like most studies on human subjects, is at best extremely limited in its generalizability. What it does, however, is supply a quick hit of easily digestible brain poison.

But there's more.

From a design standpoint, compared to those who didn't go through with the surgery, who wouldn't expect that those who did go through with such a drastic surgery wouldn't have higher levels of dissatisfaction (however that is operationally defined) both before and in the short-term post-surgery? I mean since they're willing to go to such an extreme intervention, a reasonable person would conclude they're already feeling much worse than those who determined they didn't want the surgery.
Yes, but @Hawk_82 has clinical knowledge. :eek:
 
From a design standpoint, compared to those who didn't go through with the surgery, who wouldn't expect that those who did go through with such a drastic surgery wouldn't have higher levels of dissatisfaction (however that is operationally defined) both before and in the short-term post-surgery? I mean since they're willing to go to such an extreme intervention, a reasonable person would conclude they're already feeling much worse than those who determined they didn't want the surgery.

Exactly correct.

Retrospective study had no way to score the mental states of those who did vs those who did not opt for surgery.
Reasonably likely that those who DID opt for surgery were already in a worse mental state of dysphoria prior to the surgery.

Thus, using surgery vs non-surgery as the grouping criteria very likely already separates those w/ the most severe issues from those with milder issues.

You cannot resolve that major study-bias w/ any retrospective study; you have to perform a randomized, prospective study where you look at mental health scores over time before and after surgery. Then, you map out similar scores of those who opted for surgery against those who did not (and even then, you have some bias issues to try and work out).

OP finds studies that confirm what he wants to hear, and refuses to critically assess them; only pushes narratives they do not even claim in conclusions for his own confirmation biases.
 
Yeah it's fun to be right but it's actually even more fun to point out flaws in the reasoning of those who make self-serving claims like "it's fun to be right". Here let me show you.

Right off the bat:

"While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable"

Oh, ok, so we don't really know how people adjust long-term after such a drastic, life-changing surgery. I already know at this point that this study -like most studies on human subjects, is at best extremely limited in its generalizability. What it does, however, is supply a quick hit of easily digestible brain poison.

But there's more.

From a design standpoint, compared to those who didn't go through with the surgery, who wouldn't expect that those who did go through with such a drastic surgery wouldn't have higher levels of dissatisfaction (however that is operationally defined) both before and in the short-term post-surgery? I mean since they're willing to go to such an extreme intervention, a reasonable person would conclude they're already feeling much worse than those who determined they didn't want the surgery.
I agree that this one study does not conclusively prove anything.

But if you are going to apply a high level of scrutiny to this study, you should also apply a high level of scrutiny to the other studies. this was not done, instead the activists took what they wanted to believe and ran with it despite no conclusive evidence to back up what they were doing.

In comparison to the other survey studies, this was much more scientific and therefore should have more weight.
 
I agree that this one study does not conclusively prove anything.

But if you are going to apply a high level of scrutiny to this study, you should also apply a high level of scrutiny to the other studies. this was not done, instead the activists took what they wanted to believe and ran with it despite no conclusive evidence to back up what they were doing.

In comparison to the other survey studies, this was much more scientific and therefore should have more weight.
Oh so you were actually wrong about the thing you said "I love being right" about?

And what/where are these other studies you are claiming are more wrong than this current study you previously said proved you right?

Or we could just end this by agreeing you aren't particularly intelligent and don't have any idea what you're talking about.
 
@Joes Place , I realize you won't accept anything in this study, but what if the study is true. what if gender affirming surgery does cause worse mental health and increased suicide risk?

Are you still considered a trans supporter if the care you want to give make the person suffer more or possibly commit suicide?

This is the crux of blindly following an ideology without evidence to support it. You may be killing trans people at a faster rate by supporting gender affirming care.
 
Oh so you were actually wrong about the thing you said "I love being right" about?

And what/where are these other studies you are claiming are more wrong than this current study you previously said proved you right?

Or we could just end this by agreeing you aren't particularly intelligent and don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Search the word trans in the search bar above with my name in it, you will find lots of threads where I give my take on the researchand the science. I don't have time to walk you through it now.
 
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Search the word trans in the search bar above with my name in it, you will find lots of threads where I give my take on the researchand the science. I don't have time to walk you through it now.
I've seen one of your "takes" on the topic and not only was it bad and wrong, it was pridefully bad and wrong. Like, the worst kind of bad and wrong. Like, you shouldn't even talk about the subject anymore bad and wrong.
 
Yeah it's fun to be right but it's actually even more fun to point out flaws in the reasoning of those who make self-serving claims like "it's fun to be right". Here let me show you.

Right off the bat:

"While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable"

Oh, ok, so we don't really know how people adjust long-term after such a drastic, life-changing surgery. I already know at this point that this study -like most studies on human subjects, is at best extremely limited in its generalizability. What it does, however, is supply a quick hit of easily digestible brain poison.

But there's more.

From a design standpoint, compared to those who didn't go through with the surgery, who wouldn't expect that those who did go through with such a drastic surgery wouldn't have higher levels of dissatisfaction (however that is operationally defined) both before and in the short-term post-surgery? I mean since they're willing to go to such an extreme intervention, a reasonable person would conclude they're already feeling much worse than those who determined they didn't want the surgery.
Furthermore, one would have to compare this to results of gender affirming care for straight young people to see if what was truly a trans issue...

Plastic surgery can also lead to body dysmorphia in some people, especially if they have unrealistic expectations about the extent to which it will enhance their appearance or solve their problems. The result can be an increase in anxiety, depression, and social withdrawal.
 
Furthermore, one would have to compare this to results of gender affirming care for straight young people to see if what was truly a trans issue...

Plastic surgery can also lead to body dysmorphia in some people, especially if they have unrealistic expectations about the extent to which it will enhance their appearance or solve their problems. The result can be an increase in anxiety, depression, and social withdrawal.
You're one twisted motherphucker.......
 
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Where did I post that?

I simply stated that YOUR conclusion here is WRONG and that the study is not designed for what you want to take away from it.
I repeated exactly what was said in the conclusion of the study.

Here it is again:
Our study reveals that both male and female patients with gender dysphoria who undergo gender-affirming surgery are at significantly higher risk for adverse mental health outcomes, including depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder, compared to those who do not undergo gender-affirming surgery.
 
And, then you posted later that you don't know what you're talking about, because the study doesn't present the conclusions that you posted.
No individual study is able to conclusively prove anything. A study should be able to be reliably replicated if you want prove something conclusively.

You like to twist words to try to make you seem smarter than you are. if you have a question about what i said or if you think I contradicted myself, then ask me to clarify.
 
I've seen one of your "takes" on the topic and not only was it bad and wrong, it was pridefully bad and wrong. Like, the worst kind of bad and wrong. Like, you shouldn't even talk about the subject anymore bad and wrong.
You lie. but since you make the claim, you better back it up with evidence. So now is your chance to prove how smart you are and how dumb I am.
 
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I think you have said your kid has not had surgery, does something like this study make you think twice about going down that path? is this something you and your kid talk about?

I ask this in peace, no need to attack me. I genuinely feel like I can learn from someone with your perspective.
 
Yeah it's fun to be right but it's actually even more fun to point out flaws in the reasoning of those who make self-serving claims like "it's fun to be right". Here let me show you.

Right off the bat:

"While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable"

Oh, ok, so we don't really know how people adjust long-term after such a drastic, life-changing surgery. I already know at this point that this study -like most studies on human subjects, is at best extremely limited in its generalizability. What it does, however, is supply a quick hit of easily digestible brain poison.

But there's more.

From a design standpoint, compared to those who didn't go through with the surgery, who wouldn't expect that those who did go through with such a drastic surgery wouldn't have higher levels of dissatisfaction (however that is operationally defined) both before and in the short-term post-surgery? I mean since they're willing to go to such an extreme intervention, a reasonable person would conclude they're already feeling much worse than those who determined they didn't want the surgery.
Do you have access to read the complete study? this is explained to some extent in the research. they tried to compare those who had mental health issues before surgery vs after surgery.

This is not a perfect study and it does have limitations. I am not claiming it to be more or less than the results that were published.

I am guessing you haven't read any of the other transgender studies. many of them are surveys that they give to trans patients during the follow up appointments. in this case, all the detransitioners and unsatisfied people were lost to follow up because they stopped going to gender clinic appointments.

Another study claimed that gender affirming care was the reason people had a higher suicide rate despite not being able to take into account the other mental health disorders. they just jumped to their conclusion because it fit their narrative.

Another study said said people who started on testosterone were happier on there 2 month follow up visit. testosterone is know to boost mood even for men who start taking it. but this effect doesn't last. this study stopped follow up after 2 months though so we don't know how it really affected them long term.
 
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