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Trans surgeries increase risk of suicidal ideation and mental health disorders

Furthermore, one would have to compare this to results of gender affirming care for straight young people to see if what was truly a trans issue...

Plastic surgery can also lead to body dysmorphia in some people, especially if they have unrealistic expectations about the extent to which it will enhance their appearance or solve their problems. The result can be an increase in anxiety, depression, and social withdrawal.

Oh....wait....U mean it's NOT "just a trans issue"!!???

OP is a MF idiot on this topic.
 
No individual study is able to conclusively prove anything.

Some certainly can, when they are designed properly and take into account biases.

You seem to like to generalize on this aspect, as well. Along with titling this thread as though the study you linked had it as a conclusion (it doesn't).
 
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I "twisted no words" here.

I simply pointed out to you that the study you linked does not claim what you state it does and was not designed to do so.
What do you think it means when the conclusion states that people who undergo gender affirming surgery are at significantly higher risk for adverse mental health outcomes, including depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but the title of this thread is almost word for word what is stated in the study.
 
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What do you think it means when the conclusion states that people who undergo gender affirming surgery are at significantly higher risk for adverse mental health outcomes, including depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation.

It means (most likely) that the ones most desperate for surgery are also the ones dealing with the worst effects of dysphoria.
Because this study you linked did not account for that bias.

As was already posted for you, the same effect seems to occur for non-trans people getting cosmetic surgery, which you refuse to acknowledge.

What this means to an actual psychiatrist who works w/ trans kids, is that if they are willing to undergo surgery, they probably will need a higher level of care, whether they follow through with it, or not.
 
Just like OP "discovered" that surgeries cause an increase in suicidal ideation and mental health disorders....


I figured out what's behind NY murder rates: Ice Cream sales!!!!

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Let's all sit back and see if OP can figure it out from here....
 
It means (most likely) that the ones most desperate for surgery are also the ones dealing with the worst effects of dysphoria.
Because this study you linked did not account for that bias.

As was already posted for you, the same effect seems to occur for non-trans people getting cosmetic surgery, which you refuse to acknowledge.

What this means to an actual psychiatrist who works w/ trans kids, is that if they are willing to undergo surgery, they probably will need a higher level of care, whether they follow through with it, or not.
Once again, I can understand if you don't want to draw conclusions from one study, but you should use that same level of skepticism for all trans research. If you used the same level of skepticism for all the other studies, then we would not have ever advocated for doing this on kids or most adults.

You are not consistent and you are acting like an advocate instead of a scientist.
 
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Conclusion

Our study reveals that both male and female patients with gender dysphoria who undergo gender-affirming surgery are at significantly higher risk for adverse mental health outcomes, including depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder, compared to those who do not undergo gender-affirming surgery. This trend persists even after controlling for confounding factors through propensity score matching. Notably, transgender men showed a greater relative risk for these mental health issues compared to trans[1]gender women following gender-affirming surgery. Despite the benefits of surgery in alleviating gender dysphoria, our findings underscore the necessity for ongoing mental health support for transgender individuals during their post-surgery trajectories. These results also highlight the critical need for gender-specific care tailored to the unique experiences of male and female populations, respectively, addressing both pre- and post-surgical mental health care to improve overall well-being and prevent any mental illness or diseases.
Gee nobody could have seen that coming. Oh wait, I did many years ago when I said we weren't doing these people any favors by affirming their gender dysphoria...
 
I have been saying for a long time that new research will show that gender affirming care is not beneficial and likely is more harmful. Now the research is coming in and it turns out i was right. here is the most recent research.

https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063?login=true. - i did not copy and paste the entire article, but I got the highlights for those who can't read the study.


While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable, mental health outcomes were assessed in a cross-sectional manner using diagnoses recorded before and after surgery within the database. Risk for mental health outcomes was assessed for all cohorts over two years following surgery, based on findings from the 2015 US Transgender Survey that high[1]lighted significant adverse mental health outcomes occurring within this timeframe [17].



Mental health outcomes were determined using validated tools administrated by the doctors and healthcare organizations, with the results recorded using corresponding ICD-10 codes.



Mental health outcomes in this study were assessed using clinician-verified International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10) diagnostic codes, as recorded in the EMRs within the TriNetX database. These diagnoses were established by healthcare professionals during clinical encounters and documented in the EMRs of participating healthcare organizations. This approach eliminates the reliance on self-report measures, ensuring that diagnoses such as depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder are based on clinical evaluations rather than patient-reported symptoms or survey items. By utilizing ICD-10 codes, we sought to enhance the validity and reliability of the data, addressing the limitations of bias and subjectivity inherent in self-reported mental health measures.



∙ Cohort A: Patients documented as male (which may indi[1]cate natal sex or affirmed gender identity), aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort B: Male patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort C: Patients documented as female, aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort D: Female patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort E: Transgender male patients who underwent masculinizing gender-affirming regardless of a previous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria

∙ Cohort F: Transgender female patients who underwent feminizing gender-affirming surgery regardless of a previ[1]ous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
They would be better served getting a lobotomy.
 
Probably because the "conclusions" OP drew from this that you're regurgitating are wrong.
Hey retard, I have not drawn any conclusions that were not listed in the paper. Why don't you use your brilliance to evaluate the quality of other pro transgender papers.

I bet you didn't even read the full paper I linked.
 
TL;DR Trumpanese Summary:

Tremendous study, folks, just tremendous. They looked at the numbers—big numbers, by the way—and it turns out, after gender-affirming surgery, the mental health risks skyrocket. We’re talking more depression, more anxiety, more suicidal thoughts, more substance abuse—all up bigly compared to those who didn’t have the surgery. And remember, these aren’t just surveys—this is real clinical data, the best data, not just people saying things.

They broke it down—men who transitioned, women who transitioned—and both groups saw major increases in mental health problems. Even after matching them up for fair comparisons, the trend held strong. And get this: trans men had even worse mental health outcomes than trans women. So much for the "magic fix," folks.

Now, some past studies—very weak studies, by the way—claimed surgery helps. But those were just self-reported surveys, totally unreliable. This study used real doctor-diagnosed records, and it shows the truth: these surgeries are not solving the problem. If anything, they're making it worse.

The bottom line? We need to rethink this whole thing. Mental health support is critical, but pushing people into life-altering surgeries without addressing the deeper issues? Not smart, not working. Time for a serious conversation, folks.
 
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Yup. Affirmation also yields high suicide rates. The left's suicidal empathy is (and always has been) the actual trans genocide. They need to stop, but they won't. Cults don't work like that unfortunately.
 
Hey retard, I have not drawn any conclusions that were not listed in the paper. Why don't you use your brilliance to evaluate the quality of other pro transgender papers.

I bet you didn't even read the full paper I linked.
I can guarantee he didn't read the paper
TL;DR Trumpanese Summary:

Tremendous study, folks, just tremendous. They looked at the numbers—big numbers, by the way—and it turns out, after gender-affirming surgery, the mental health risks skyrocket. We’re talking more depression, more anxiety, more suicidal thoughts, more substance abuse—all up bigly compared to those who didn’t have the surgery. And remember, these aren’t just surveys—this is real clinical data, the best data, not just people saying things.

They broke it down—men who transitioned, women who transitioned—and both groups saw major increases in mental health problems. Even after matching them up for fair comparisons, the trend held strong. And get this: trans men had even worse mental health outcomes than trans women. So much for the "magic fix," folks.

Now, some past studies—very weak studies, by the way—claimed surgery helps. But those were just self-reported surveys, totally unreliable. This study used real doctor-diagnosed records, and it shows the truth: these surgeries are not solving the problem. If anything, they're making it worse.

The bottom line? We need to rethink this whole thing. Mental health support is critical, but pushing people into life-altering surgeries without addressing the deeper issues? Not smart, not working. Time for a serious conversation, folks.
Many won't admit the truth that these "treatments" are not in fact reversible. Imagine how hard that actually hits the people suffering from Dysphoria after being lied to about it so brazenly.
 
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I can guarantee he didn't read the paper

Many won't admit the truth that these "treatments" are not in fact reversible. Imagine how hard that actually hits the people suffering from Dysphoria after being lied to about it so brazenly.
I'm not trans, so I have no personal stake in the matter. As long as there are no unfair advantages in sports and children aren't undergoing transitions, I stay out of it...what an adult chooses to do with their body is between them and their doctor.

Oh and....

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I'm not trans, so I have no personal stake in the matter. As long as there are no unfair advantages in sports and children aren't undergoing transitions, I stay out of it...what an adult chooses to do with their body is between them and their doctor.

Oh and....

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I agree and don't much care what adults tend to do with their bodies in general, though I think there are still convos to be had then about bathrooms beyond what you mentioned/we agree on.
 
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I can guarantee he didn't read the paper

Many won't admit the truth that these "treatments" are not in fact reversible. Imagine how hard that actually hits the people suffering from Dysphoria after being lied to about it so brazenly.
Many of these people are told that gender affirming care will fix their problems and mental health issues. Imagine how you would feel after knowing you permanently disfigured yourself and you still have the same problems. it's sad
 
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Many of these people are told that gender affirming care will fix their problems and mental health issues. Imagine how you would feel after knowing you permanently disfigured yourself and you still have the same problems. it's sad
Incredibly sad. Imagine you're a parent who did that to your child too. Many simply can't admit that they ruined their kids and keep doubling down rather than face reality on the other side of this equation bc then they have to recognize what they did.
 
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I'm not trans, so I have no personal stake in the matter. As long as there are no unfair advantages in sports and children aren't undergoing transitions, I stay out of it...what an adult chooses to do with their body is between them and their doctor.

Oh and....

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It should be treated as cosmetic surgery, not essential care. surgery should not be covered by insurance.

If an adult knows that it will not fix their problems and they want it anyway, then I have no problem with it. but a surgery does not make you the other sex.
 
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No; they're not. And that is not stated anywhere in what you posted about the article.

Not anymore than a tween kid getting a breast enhancement is told it will "fix her problems and mental health issues".
Oh, they are definitely sold a bill of goods that the surgery is the end all of all end all's to their problems in life,
 
You are clueless. You are not worth talking to because you don't have a basic understanding of what is going on.
You're the one who cannot correctly understand what the studies say.

Not sure why anyone would consider you an "expert" on the topic when you're so clearly clueless on those points.
 
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@Gimmered
I think you have said your kid has not had surgery, does something like this study make you think twice about going down that path? is this something you and your kid talk about?

I ask this in peace, no need to attack me. I genuinely feel like I can learn from someone with your perspective.
He has not had surgery and that is totally up to him. We have always said that we would take the same cautious approach that we have taken with every step. He is 20 now and has been in a relationship for quite some time. That will also play in the decision.
 
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He had not had surgery and that is totally up to him. We have always said that we would take the same cautious approach that we have taken with every step. He is 20 now and has been in a relationship for quite some time. That will also play in the decision.
I'm sure having unconditional parental support plays a FAR greater role for kids dealing with this than surgery does.
 
@Joes Place , I realize you won't accept anything in this study, but what if the study is true. what if gender affirming surgery does cause worse mental health and increased suicide risk?

Are you still considered a trans supporter if the care you want to give make the person suffer more or possibly commit suicide?

This is the crux of blindly following an ideology without evidence to support it. You may be killing trans people at a faster rate by supporting gender affirming care.
They're under the assumption if you don't provide gender affirming care (mutilation) right away, these people will kill themselves immediately.

They don't think about the long term effects of mental illness where a lot of these people off themselves later down the road even with what they call gender affirming care.
 
I have been saying for a long time that new research will show that gender affirming care is not beneficial and likely is more harmful. Now the research is coming in and it turns out i was right. here is the most recent research.

https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063?login=true. - i did not copy and paste the entire article, but I got the highlights for those who can't read the study.


While lon[1]gitudinal data at the individual level were unavailable, mental health outcomes were assessed in a cross-sectional manner using diagnoses recorded before and after surgery within the database. Risk for mental health outcomes was assessed for all cohorts over two years following surgery, based on findings from the 2015 US Transgender Survey that high[1]lighted significant adverse mental health outcomes occurring within this timeframe [17].



Mental health outcomes were determined using validated tools administrated by the doctors and healthcare organizations, with the results recorded using corresponding ICD-10 codes.



Mental health outcomes in this study were assessed using clinician-verified International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10) diagnostic codes, as recorded in the EMRs within the TriNetX database. These diagnoses were established by healthcare professionals during clinical encounters and documented in the EMRs of participating healthcare organizations. This approach eliminates the reliance on self-report measures, ensuring that diagnoses such as depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder are based on clinical evaluations rather than patient-reported symptoms or survey items. By utilizing ICD-10 codes, we sought to enhance the validity and reliability of the data, addressing the limitations of bias and subjectivity inherent in self-reported mental health measures.



∙ Cohort A: Patients documented as male (which may indi[1]cate natal sex or affirmed gender identity), aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort B: Male patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort C: Patients documented as female, aged ≥18 years, with a prior diagnosis of gender dysphoria, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

∙ Cohort D: Female patients with the same diagnosis but without surgery.

∙ Cohort E: Transgender male patients who underwent masculinizing gender-affirming regardless of a previous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria

∙ Cohort F: Transgender female patients who underwent feminizing gender-affirming surgery regardless of a previ[1]ous documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria.


Results

Our team identified 107 583 patients aged ≥18 with a previous diagnosis of gender dysphoria using the TriNetX Database United States Collaborative Network. Initially, Cohort A included 2774 male patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort B included 48 090 male patients with gender dysphoria but no gender-affirming surgery; Cohort C included 3358 female patients with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming surgery; Cohort D included 67 579 female patients with gender dysphoria but no gender[1]affirming surgery; Cohort E included 3790 transgender male patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria; Cohort F included 4643 transgender female patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but did not have a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria. The demographics for each cohort before and after propensity score matching is attached to the supplementary tables. After propensity score matching of cohorts A and B, each cohort had 2774 patients of similar race, ethnicity, and age at index (Supplementary document: Table S1). Compared to male patients with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only, those with gender affirmation surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders. However, neither cohort was at increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 1). Male patients with gender-affirming surgery had a 25.4% rate of depression, compared to 11.5% for those without surgery (RR 2.203, 95% CI 1.477-3.287, P < 0.0001). Male patients with surgery had 4.882 times the risk of anxiety (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001) compared to thosewho did not receive surgery (12.783% vs. 2.618%, RR 4.882, 95% CI 4.505-5.29, P < 0.0001). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.4% vs. 0.4%, RR 1.001, 95% CI 0.417-2.402, P = 0.9974). After propensity score matching of Cohorts C and D, each cohort had 3358 female patients of similar age at index, race, and ethnicity (Supplementary document: Table S2). Female patients with gender dysphoria and a history of gender-affirming surgery had significantly higher risks for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders compared to those with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria only. However, neither group was at an increased risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 2). Females with gender-affirming surgery had a 22.9% rate of depression, compared to 14.6% for those without surgery (RR 1.563, 95% CI 1.422-1.717, P < 0.0001). Compared to those without surgery, females who had undergone gender-affirming surgery had a 1.478 times higher risk of anxiety (10.496% vs. 7.098%, RR 1.478, 95% CI 1.214-1.797, P < 0.0001), a 2.357 times higher risk of suicidal ideation (19.811% vs. 8.402%, RR 2.357, 95% CI 1.579-3.515), and a 2.712 times higher risk of substance use disorder (19.322% vs.7.123%, RR 2.712, 95% CI 1.439-3.217). Both groups had the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (0.3%)

(Table 2).

To assess gender disparities in mental health outcomes in transgender patients who underwent gender-affirming surgery but lacked a documented diagnosis of gender dysphoria, we compared Cohorts E and F. After propensity score matching, both cohorts included 3607 patients who were similar at index, in age, race, and ethnicity (Supplementary document:Table S3). Transgender men who had undergone gender[1]affirming surgery were at higher risk of most mental health issues compared to transgender women. Specifically, trans[1]gender men had a 1.58 times higher risk of anxiety (14.1% vs. 8. 9%, RR 1.580, 95% CI 0.845-2.134, P = 0.0002), a 1.186 times higher risk of suicidal ideation (5.5% vs. 4.6%, RR 1.186, 95% CI 0.97-1.449, P = 0.0358), and a 1.284 times higher risk of substance use disorder (14.4% vs. 11.2%, RR 1.284, 95% CI 1.137-1.45, P < 0.0001). Among the five outcomes, the relative risk was highest for depression among transgender men compared to transgender women (RR 1.783, 95% CI 1.327-2.389, P = 0.0298). Both cohorts were at the same risk for body dysmorphic disorder (Table 3)



Comparison with previous studies

When evaluating these findings within the context of previous research, it is crucial to recognize the limitations inherent in studies that rely primarily on survey data, such as those analyzed by Marano et al. and Almazan and Keuroghlian [13,23]. These studies, using data from the U.S. Transgender Sur[1]vey, underscore the psychosocial benefits of gender-affirming surgeries, including reductions in depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation, while emphasizing the importance of align[1]ing physical appearance with gender identity to improve mental health. However, survey-based studies are limited by self-reported data, which may introduce response bias and lack clinical validation, potentially limiting the generalizabil[1]ity of their findings [24]. Our study diverges by using a national database of de-identified clinical data, enabling a more comprehensive and representative examination of real[1]world mental health outcomes across diverse demographics. This approach allows us to capture more nuanced insights into mental health risks, particularly the heightened suscep[1]tibility to depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorder in transwomen individuals’ post-surgery. This divergence from survey-based findings highlights the need for gender-sensitive mental health strategies that extend beyond the surgical intervention itself.
I urge you to seek professional psychiatric help. Your level of obsession about citizens you’ve never met is deeply concerning. You seem like the type who will eventually shoot up a clinic. 10000 character posts show a disturbed mind.
 
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I urge you to seek professional psychiatric help. Your level of obsession about citizens you’ve never met is deeply concerning. You seem like the type who will eventually shoot up a clinic. 10000 character posts show a disturbed mind.
Quite the opposite as many of the school shooters identify as something other than a biological male or female.
 
Or maybe just common sense which the dim bulbs lack.
So, since you're apparently going to be a quazi-temporary permanent thorn poster, you might as well tell us about yourself. I figure we'll have to endure enjoy your presence about as long as your previous other handles like PapaTed, ED, William Bonney, etc.

Where do you hail from? What brought you to HBOT? Who's your favorite sports team?
 
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